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Report this Oct. 30 2012, 6:42 pm

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>The same goes for the CEO of GM.
You mean the one that Obama illegally fired or the one that Obama illegally appointed?

Whichever one bragged about 70% of GM vehicles being made outside the US.

That's Dan Akerson, the new one that Obama illegally appointed.  Obama illegally fired his predecessor, Rick Wagoner.  It really didn't surprise anyone that Obama's crony would come out bragging how they've shipped jobs overseas and looking to do even more.  (While Obama is complaining about the exact same thing.)


But you're ignoring two points - Obama illegally fired/appointed a CEO to non-government position and Obama used the autobailout to launder our (taxpayers) money to other countries.


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Report this Oct. 30 2012, 7:01 pm

Quote: Beccs_ @ Oct. 30 2012, 2:30 pm

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>This place hasn't changed

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After all these years.... you'd be disappointed if it did...


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Report this Oct. 31 2012, 8:07 pm

Even kids understand that redistribution of wealth is wrong....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHNBr3PZQaE

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Report this Oct. 31 2012, 8:30 pm

If it wasn't such a serious subject, I'd laugh at Jay Leno's "joke" talking about "Don't ask, don't tell" - Obama-style:


“Don’t ask – don’t tell” is back. Not the gays in the military. It’s President Obama’s new policy for questioning about Libya. Don’t ask – don’t tell. That’s the big story. The Republicans are accusing the White House of successfully engineering a massive cover-up of the Libyan attack. But on the plus side, it’s the first time in four years the Republicans have credit to Obama for doing anything successful.


 



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Report this Oct. 31 2012, 8:58 pm

Bam, I am as opposed to corporatism as you are. Here's Ron Paul's take on it:


http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul665.html


Even he says that Obama is not a socialist and that calling him one is a misuse of the term. However, what he and all libertarians don't seem to understand is that not all forms of socialism are authoritarian and state-owned but all free market systems result in corporatism and plutocracy.


Using the definitions I posted before, capitalism is about private control of wealth and resources, socialism is about community control of wealth and resources. Government taking money from the community and giving it to private businesses doesn't sound like socialism to me.


As for shipping jobs overseas, that's capitalism again. Cheap labor means higher profits. Why do you think Libertarians want to get rid of the minimum wage?

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Report this Nov. 01 2012, 7:29 am

Quote: darmokattanagra @ Oct. 31 2012, 8:58 pm

>Using the definitions I posted before, capitalism is about private control of wealth and resources, socialism is about community control of wealth and resources. Government taking money from the community and giving it to private businesses doesn't sound like socialism to me.
Yes.... I know that redistribution of wealth doesn't "sound like socialism" to you, but it does to many of the rest of us.  It sure ain't capitalism!


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Report this Nov. 01 2012, 7:36 am

Quote: darmokattanagra @ Oct. 31 2012, 8:58 pm

>As for shipping jobs overseas, that's capitalism again. Cheap labor means higher profits.
Are you purposefully trying to change the subject?  I'm talking about Obama illegally firing the CEO of a company and then illegally appointing his own guy and then also pushing GM to merge with Fiat.... and then there's the whole bailout.  (It's just that Obama's appointee was bragging about it and was after the bailout.... so our tax dollars were being laundered, through GM, to other countries using the bailout.  ===  This is just like TARP when the US government laundered money to other countries via the banks.)


Remember one of the first things GM did with the bailout money?  Oh, that's right - build a plant with US taxpayer money in Mexico!


In most cases, I don't care about outsourcing / offshoring - that's capitalism.  (The only time I do care about it is national security.)


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Report this Nov. 01 2012, 7:43 am

Quote: darmokattanagra @ Oct. 31 2012, 8:58 pm

>Why do you think Libertarians want to get rid of the minimum wage?
Now this is a completely different topic. If you've ever understood supply & demand, you'd know how devistating the minimum wage is.


I would highly suggest you look up Thomas Sowell, Walter E. Williams and Milton Friedman - they have said a lot about minimum wage and make their point a lot more concisely than I can.


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Report this Nov. 01 2012, 7:45 am

Although the media is trying to hide it, more and more is coming out that the White House knew what was going on in Benghazi....

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Report this Nov. 01 2012, 7:54 am

As most of us know, early voting is taking place.  What's interesting is that there appears to be problems with voting kiosks in some states where if you vote for Romney, the vote is showing up for Obama.


I saw something about this happening last week in North Carolina and figured it was a fluke.... but now it's happening in other states - including Kansas and Ohio.


 


But with over 2 MILLION dead people on the voter rolls, plus illegal aliens.... how much worse can it get?


 


Reminds me of the voting machines in Robin Williams' "Man of the Year" movie..... well, almost.


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Report this Nov. 01 2012, 7:57 am

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> Yeah, Sarah Palin has experience ALRIGHT, she's so dumb she couldn't even finish her term as Governor..
Obama didnt finish his first term as senator


 


That doesn't seem to matter.


Nor that being a governor IS executive experience and a Senator is not.


But a community organizer might be


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Report this Nov. 01 2012, 8:21 am

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>Anyone remember when Obama ignored the law and forced Chrysler to merge with Fiat?  Now we find out that Fiat is looking to move manufacturing some of the lines (including Jeep) over to Europe instead of keeping it in the USA.

>http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-10-28/marchionne-seen-missing-fiat-sales-target-by-19-billion#p1

>Let's see..... billions of taxdollars lost on the bailouts.... cash for clunkers that didn't do anything..... the CEO of GM bragging about almost 70% of all GM vehicles being made outside of the USA (and still getting a bailout).... 

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http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/oct/30/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-obama-chrysler-sold-italians-china-ame/

"The ad miscasts the government’s role in Fiat’s acquisition of Chrysler, and it misrepresents the outcome. Chrysler’s owners had been trying to sell to Italy-based Fiat before Obama took office. The ad ignores the return of American jobs to Chrysler Jeep plants in the United States, and it presents the manufacture of Jeeps in China as a threat, rather than an opportunity to sell cars made in China to Chinese consumers. It strings together facts in a way that presents an wholly inaccurate picture.

We rate the statement Pants on Fire!"

As for Fiat wanting to manufacture some models in Italy, the article you posted doesn't say whether or not it would come at the expense of American jobs. Either way, that's capitalism. "Job creators" like Marchionne should be free to run his business the way he wants, right? If it will make him more money to build cars in Italy then why should he build them in the US? The same goes for the CEO of GM.

Also, both GM and Chrysler have paid back the money they borrowed.


His commercial was 100% accurate and factual. Because you think it might paint something you support in a bad light does not change that. You can't have it both ways.


How can you sit here and argue that buklding American product overseas doesn't reduce American jobs back home? Are you kidding me?


GM has in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM paid anything back in full. That's an out-right lie. I'm not even going to site a reference, because if you believe that you wont research it anyway.


Fiat DID purchase Chrylser... again a fact. And it was AFTER the frakin Obama illegal bailout.


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Report this Nov. 01 2012, 8:42 am

Anyone else seeing the threats of violence from the ProRegressive ObamaZombies if Obama loses?


 


Bet we never see Obama repudiate them...


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Report this Nov. 01 2012, 9:07 am

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Report this Nov. 01 2012, 9:31 am

Just saw an interview with Obama - says that if he wins, he'll consider it a mandate to raise taxes.  (No, I'm not shocked.)

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