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The President Obama appreciation thread

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Sep. 25 2012, 4:03 pm

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>I want to see the left complain about how rich Obama is....

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>But we all know that won't happen..... in their minds, it's okay for the socialists to be rich, but not capitalists....

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I'm not sure what you're trying to say. I see a 20 and a 5, who knows what the other bills are? The other day at the bank I recieved several 10s and 20s, but I'm not rich.

The Republicans should start complaining about how Ryan is campaigning and doing his job. But no, it's okay for him to do it.

My point is that most everyone knows that both Obama and Romney are millionaires.  The duplicity of the extreme left says that it's okay for Obama (and Pelosi, etc.) to be rich, but that Romney (any any non-Democrat) is evil for being rich.  The extreme left doesn't care that Kennedy or John Kerry or anyone else on that side has bank accounts all over the world and are flush with cash, but if anyone that's not in their group.... The picture with a wad of cash just reminded me of it.

the difference being of course that the one party believes in helping the poor and less fortunate and the other thinks they should just be allowed to starve to death

No... the ProRegressives believe in big government and using it to redistribute money on their terms.  Conservatives believe in charity.  Take a look at the tax returns of the different politicians - the extreme left do very little to no charity but the right does a lot.


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Report this Sep. 25 2012, 4:19 pm

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>I'm beginning to lean towards Socialism, and hoped that Obama would bring more of it to our government. 

>But as you mentioned, FA BamBam, it comes with a price: extremely high taxes on nearly everything. 

>My crankiness evolves from growing up poor and barely getting the minimal medical care that I could, starving a lot of the time, and almost not getting into college because a dumb president (Reagan) thought he'd do everyone a favor by cutting social security for kids who turned 18 and were not in college. 

>I'd love to be able to get free dental and medical for my variety of health issues, but instead I have to live with them everyday. 

>Oh, and I'd like to go back to college, but can't afford it. My unemployment runs out in two weeks, and all I've been able to garner was a temporary position. 

>Socialism sounds really good right now. 


So your unemployment is running out. Why are you even still on it? You had two years to get a real job. The problem is simple. As long as people are dependent on the government, they won't be self-dependent.  They'll feed off wellfare and unemployment until a month before it expires, because what's the point in working when you can live without it? That's why one of the crulest things to do to the poor is to throw money at them. Benjamin Franklin said, "We should make the poor uncomfortable, to kick them out of poverty."


Captain Kirk always wanted to make a differance. He lived. Someone who just lives off the government and doesn't contribute to society isn't living. They're just existing. You like socialism? It has failed everywhere it has been tried. Even china is moving away from it.


To quote someone smart, there are two kinds of people. Those who need to be pushed, and those who push themselves. Do you want to push yourself and give your life meaning, or let the government push you around?


"Borg. Sounds Swedish."

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Report this Sep. 25 2012, 7:56 pm

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Captain Kirk didn't have to worry about paying rent or buying groceries and McCoy never charged him for medical care.


It's really sad that there is this perfect example of democratic socialism right here in front of you and you just ignore it.

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Sep. 25 2012, 9:07 pm

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Captain Kirk didn't have to worry about paying rent or buying groceries and McCoy never charged him for medical care.

It's really sad that there is this perfect example of democratic socialism right here in front of you and you just ignore it.

Uhh.... fiction is still fiction.  Socialism, in real life, only destroys.


 


Oh.... and while in the real military and on ship.... you get a bunk, grub & a corpsman.... that's pretty much equivalent to being posted on a fictional starship.  (Although in real life, what you get in the real military is pathetic.)


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Report this Sep. 26 2012, 8:57 am

Doesn't the military hook you up with an education? A job? A home loan? Health insurance? You don't receive or have never received any government benefits as a veteran?

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Report this Sep. 26 2012, 1:24 pm

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>Doesn't the military hook you up with an education? A job? A home loan? Health insurance? You don't receive or have never received any government benefits as a veteran?

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I take it you don't know anyone who's even been around the military....


Let's take these one at a time:


Education: Not specifically.  They do provide tuition assistance (but much less than most corporate environments) and a GI bill that can be used (which Obama is trying to limit,) but you must do it after duty hours (if you're not deployed) or wait until you separate from the military (at which time you no longer can use tuition assistance.)  If you want to talk about job training.... like businesses, some groups do better than others.  I was in a technical field (computers) and received almost no training at all - my bosses said I could just figure it out.... and then train everyone else.)  It's not uncommon that someone comes in to fill a position with absolutely no background or training.


Job:  The military is much more than just a job... you can't just quit (and I won't even talk about stop loss) and many of us get paid way less than the market rate.  Military personnel can be worked more hours without any days off.... and then there's always the danger factor...  When I left the miltary, I made multiple times what I received in the military.... and had better hours and better living conditions and better benefits (I also got paid for performance - something the military can't do.)


Home Loan:  Nope.  The only thing you get is a way to get the VA to guarantee the loan to the bank, not to you.... but you still have to qualify and go through all the normal paperwork, plus some additional paperwork.  Essentially, the only thing it gets you is a way not to pay PMI.   It didn't cost the government or the taxpayers anything because I paid off the house - the only time it's a problem is when the veteran doesn't pay the mortgage. (The percentage of VA mortgages that go bad is lower than non-VA.) 


Health Insurance: Kind of.... you only get what they give you, if they want to.  When I was in the military, I never had a physical exam (except MEPS) and the last four years I couldn't even get into see the dentist.  One night I almost bled out while in a military ER because the staff just didn't care (no other patients.)  The vast majority of the medical care I received, I had to go elsewhere  (and if the military found out about it, I would have been in trouble) and pay for it out of pocket... on military salary.  It's the perfect example of socialized medicine - extremely limited resources with doctors, many of them aren't good enough for private practice.  And if you're a dependent or retired.... it's worse!


Veteran benefits:  Personally, the only benefit I've ever received for being a veteran was the home loan guarantee. I've never received any other benefit from being a veteran (with the exception of some private businesses who give discounts to veterans.)  There are some veterans who do receive some governent benefits after service, but most of that has to do with taking care of injuries sustained while in the military.


 


The bottom line is that the military life costs much more than they (and their family) receive.  Most people join the military because they care about the USA and the Constitution and want to serve.  If you ever took a look at the demographics surrounding people who join the military, they are slighly better educated than average and also come from homes above the median economically.


 



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Report this Sep. 27 2012, 8:48 am

So... I'm wondering how many dead Americans......er...., what's the MESSiah's euphemism for it?  Oh, that's right.... "bumps in the road"....


How many "bumps in the road" will we have before Obama acts appropriately?

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Report this Sep. 27 2012, 9:30 am

Another one with the Obama mindset: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio

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Report this Sep. 27 2012, 1:50 pm

Sigh.  I really wanted this board to be free of political rancor.


 


But since we're here, Obama is an idiot.  He's a cheat, a liar, a Muslim, not born in this country, and has done more damage in his 3.5 year term than any president before him.


 


Bush was an idiot too.


 


Throw them all out, throw the tax code out, and start over.

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Report this Sep. 27 2012, 2:14 pm

Quote: Captain_Stewart @ Sep. 27 2012, 1:50 pm

>Sigh.  I really wanted this board to be free of political rancor.
Take a look at Star Trek.... a lot of politics that Roddenberry took on.  He may not have been as direct as some of us, but he still did it.  Politics is a reflection of choices people make - some good and some bad.  History is replete with examples across the spectrum and we should learn from them.


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Report this Sep. 27 2012, 2:15 pm

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How about we just get back to the US Constitution?


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Report this Sep. 28 2012, 7:12 am

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>I think he's doing a great job. I hate how people expect him to fix 8 years' worth of Bush f-ups in 2 years, and use the fact that things still obviously aren't perfect as a complaint against Obama.


 


 Obama himself said that if he couldn't fix things in his first term that He doesn't deserve a second term. I say lets do what the man said and kick him out of office.  I love how people rally around one person as a save all for everything, folks, WE THE PEOPLE will be the solution, not a leader, not a president, The presidents have forgotten that they WORK FOR US!!!!

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Report this Sep. 28 2012, 8:12 am

I consider myself a Technocrat. Like with many things, I feel disappointed by the general level of discourse amongst Trekkies. I would think we should all hold ourselves to somewhat high standards when in comes to science education, social justice and racial integration. Blaming President Obama for anything going on in the economy is as foolish and misinformed as blaming President Bush. We are reaping the long term results of automation combined with the fact that we had a World Trade Center-sized hole punched in our economy, and that is a result of a chain of events going back at least to the seventies. 


Skaal!

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Report this Sep. 28 2012, 8:22 am

The only thing that can keep the Aristicracy in Check is Fear of the Mob. What a coincidence that we are all divided into opposing camps focused on one another instead of the grifters at the top of the system. They want us bickering about marginal tax margins and whether or not the inevitable is real, they want us to be good little fat consumers, scarred witless with threats to our imaginary economy while our masters still somehow manage to reap massive profits. Join no Party or Faction, Swear Loyalty to No One. We are all just animals pretending to be Human Beings, even Mitt Romney has to stop and take a dump every now and then, just like any mud-worm living at the bottom of the sea. Stop taking everything so seriously- we are the pinnacle of the Mammalian Dream

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Report this Sep. 28 2012, 9:06 am

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>I consider myself a Technocrat. Like with many things, I feel disappointed by the general level of discourse amongst Trekkies. I would think we should all hold ourselves to somewhat high standards when in comes to science education, social justice and racial integration. Blaming President Obama for anything going on in the economy is as foolish and misinformed as blaming President Bush. We are reaping the long term results of automation combined with the fact that we had a World Trade Center-sized hole punched in our economy, and that is a result of a chain of events going back at least to the seventies. 

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You do realize that with more technology comes more jobs, right?  Just because someone loses their job to some automation, overall (macro,) there are actually more jobs.


But you are partially right - there is a chain of events, but it goes back much further - to the ProRegressive policies a century ago - we just keep making it worse and worse.


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