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Sehlat123

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Report this Sep. 24 2012, 2:56 pm

Quote: the bungalo bill @ Sep. 24 2012, 2:17 pm

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>I'm not sure what you're trying to say. I see a 20 and a 5, who knows what the other bills are? The other day at the bank I recieved several 10s and 20s, but I'm not rich.

>The Republicans should start complaining about how Ryan is campaigning and doing his job. But no, it's okay for him to do it.

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How is Ryan doing a bad job? Ever heard Biden?


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FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Sep. 25 2012, 10:19 am

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Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Sep. 24 2012, 7:22 am

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>I want to see the left complain about how rich Obama is....

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>But we all know that won't happen..... in their minds, it's okay for the socialists to be rich, but not capitalists....

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I'm not sure what you're trying to say. I see a 20 and a 5, who knows what the other bills are? The other day at the bank I recieved several 10s and 20s, but I'm not rich.

The Republicans should start complaining about how Ryan is campaigning and doing his job. But no, it's okay for him to do it.

My point is that most everyone knows that both Obama and Romney are millionaires.  The duplicity of the extreme left says that it's okay for Obama (and Pelosi, etc.) to be rich, but that Romney (any any non-Democrat) is evil for being rich.  The extreme left doesn't care that Kennedy or John Kerry or anyone else on that side has bank accounts all over the world and are flush with cash, but if anyone that's not in their group.... The picture with a wad of cash just reminded me of it.


Commandamanda

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Report this Sep. 25 2012, 1:16 pm

I'm beginning to lean towards Socialism, and hoped that Obama would bring more of it to our government. 


But as you mentioned, FA BamBam, it comes with a price: extremely high taxes on nearly everything. 


My crankiness evolves from growing up poor and barely getting the minimal medical care that I could, starving a lot of the time, and almost not getting into college because a dumb president (Reagan) thought he'd do everyone a favor by cutting social security for kids who turned 18 and were not in college. 


 


I'd love to be able to get free dental and medical for my variety of health issues, but instead I have to live with them everyday. 


Oh, and I'd like to go back to college, but can't afford it. My unemployment runs out in two weeks, and all I've been able to garner was a temporary position. 


Socialism sounds really good right now. 


 


 

wissa

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Report this Sep. 25 2012, 3:06 pm

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Sep. 25 2012, 10:19 am

Quote: the bungalo bill @ Sep. 24 2012, 2:17 pm

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Sep. 24 2012, 7:22 am

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>I want to see the left complain about how rich Obama is....

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>But we all know that won't happen..... in their minds, it's okay for the socialists to be rich, but not capitalists....

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I'm not sure what you're trying to say. I see a 20 and a 5, who knows what the other bills are? The other day at the bank I recieved several 10s and 20s, but I'm not rich.

The Republicans should start complaining about how Ryan is campaigning and doing his job. But no, it's okay for him to do it.

My point is that most everyone knows that both Obama and Romney are millionaires.  The duplicity of the extreme left says that it's okay for Obama (and Pelosi, etc.) to be rich, but that Romney (any any non-Democrat) is evil for being rich.  The extreme left doesn't care that Kennedy or John Kerry or anyone else on that side has bank accounts all over the world and are flush with cash, but if anyone that's not in their group.... The picture with a wad of cash just reminded me of it.


the difference being of course that the one party believes in helping the poor and less fortunate and the other thinks they should just be allowed to starve to death



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FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Sep. 25 2012, 4:01 pm

Quote: Commandamanda @ Sep. 25 2012, 1:16 pm

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>I'm beginning to lean towards Socialism, and hoped that Obama would bring more of it to our government. 

>But as you mentioned, FA BamBam, it comes with a price: extremely high taxes on nearly everything. 

>My crankiness evolves from growing up poor and barely getting the minimal medical care that I could, starving a lot of the time, and almost not getting into college because a dumb president (Reagan) thought he'd do everyone a favor by cutting social security for kids who turned 18 and were not in college. 

>I'd love to be able to get free dental and medical for my variety of health issues, but instead I have to live with them everyday. 

>Oh, and I'd like to go back to college, but can't afford it. My unemployment runs out in two weeks, and all I've been able to garner was a temporary position. 

>Socialism sounds really good right now. 
So.. you want "free" stuff at the point of gun, stealing from others?... Remember, someone else has to pay for it.  What happens if someone that has less than you demands "free" stuff at your expense?


I grew up extremely poor too - not always knowing when my next meal would come, and at one time, living in a shanty.  My parents believed in socialism and my brother is one too (even married one who hates the USA.)  Now they all expect me to take care of them because I worked hard and saved and invested instead of living off debt and society.


Take a look at the socialist countries - they destroy producers while rewarding failure.  I went to school and paid for it myself - it wasn't easy and it took longer to get it done, but I did it.  You can do it too.  Stop depending on the government and asking them to enslave both you and everyone else.  The USA was built on the concept of liberty, not redistribution / destruction of wealth.


When things are tough, that's when we find out what people are really like - do we sacrifice our principles or do we stick by them?  Should someone that's going hungry be allowed to break into your house and rob you?  Of course not, so why should we allow it to be done via government?


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Report this Sep. 25 2012, 4:03 pm

Quote: wissa @ Sep. 25 2012, 3:06 pm

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Sep. 25 2012, 10:19 am

Quote: the bungalo bill @ Sep. 24 2012, 2:17 pm

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Sep. 24 2012, 7:22 am

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>I want to see the left complain about how rich Obama is....

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>But we all know that won't happen..... in their minds, it's okay for the socialists to be rich, but not capitalists....

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I'm not sure what you're trying to say. I see a 20 and a 5, who knows what the other bills are? The other day at the bank I recieved several 10s and 20s, but I'm not rich.

The Republicans should start complaining about how Ryan is campaigning and doing his job. But no, it's okay for him to do it.

My point is that most everyone knows that both Obama and Romney are millionaires.  The duplicity of the extreme left says that it's okay for Obama (and Pelosi, etc.) to be rich, but that Romney (any any non-Democrat) is evil for being rich.  The extreme left doesn't care that Kennedy or John Kerry or anyone else on that side has bank accounts all over the world and are flush with cash, but if anyone that's not in their group.... The picture with a wad of cash just reminded me of it.

the difference being of course that the one party believes in helping the poor and less fortunate and the other thinks they should just be allowed to starve to death

No... the ProRegressives believe in big government and using it to redistribute money on their terms.  Conservatives believe in charity.  Take a look at the tax returns of the different politicians - the extreme left do very little to no charity but the right does a lot.


Sehlat123

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Report this Sep. 25 2012, 4:19 pm

Quote: Commandamanda @ Sep. 25 2012, 1:16 pm

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>I'm beginning to lean towards Socialism, and hoped that Obama would bring more of it to our government. 

>But as you mentioned, FA BamBam, it comes with a price: extremely high taxes on nearly everything. 

>My crankiness evolves from growing up poor and barely getting the minimal medical care that I could, starving a lot of the time, and almost not getting into college because a dumb president (Reagan) thought he'd do everyone a favor by cutting social security for kids who turned 18 and were not in college. 

>I'd love to be able to get free dental and medical for my variety of health issues, but instead I have to live with them everyday. 

>Oh, and I'd like to go back to college, but can't afford it. My unemployment runs out in two weeks, and all I've been able to garner was a temporary position. 

>Socialism sounds really good right now. 


So your unemployment is running out. Why are you even still on it? You had two years to get a real job. The problem is simple. As long as people are dependent on the government, they won't be self-dependent.  They'll feed off wellfare and unemployment until a month before it expires, because what's the point in working when you can live without it? That's why one of the crulest things to do to the poor is to throw money at them. Benjamin Franklin said, "We should make the poor uncomfortable, to kick them out of poverty."


Captain Kirk always wanted to make a differance. He lived. Someone who just lives off the government and doesn't contribute to society isn't living. They're just existing. You like socialism? It has failed everywhere it has been tried. Even china is moving away from it.


To quote someone smart, there are two kinds of people. Those who need to be pushed, and those who push themselves. Do you want to push yourself and give your life meaning, or let the government push you around?


"Borg. Sounds Swedish."

darmokattanagra

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Report this Sep. 25 2012, 7:56 pm

Quote: Sehlat123 @ Sep. 25 2012, 4:19 pm

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>Captain Kirk always wanted to make a differance. He lived. Someone who just lives off the government and doesn't contribute to society isn't living. They're just existing.

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Captain Kirk didn't have to worry about paying rent or buying groceries and McCoy never charged him for medical care.


It's really sad that there is this perfect example of democratic socialism right here in front of you and you just ignore it.

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Sep. 25 2012, 9:07 pm

Quote: darmokattanagra @ Sep. 25 2012, 7:56 pm

Quote: Sehlat123 @ Sep. 25 2012, 4:19 pm

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>Captain Kirk always wanted to make a differance. He lived. Someone who just lives off the government and doesn't contribute to society isn't living. They're just existing.

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Captain Kirk didn't have to worry about paying rent or buying groceries and McCoy never charged him for medical care.

It's really sad that there is this perfect example of democratic socialism right here in front of you and you just ignore it.

Uhh.... fiction is still fiction.  Socialism, in real life, only destroys.


 


Oh.... and while in the real military and on ship.... you get a bunk, grub & a corpsman.... that's pretty much equivalent to being posted on a fictional starship.  (Although in real life, what you get in the real military is pathetic.)


darmokattanagra

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Report this Sep. 26 2012, 8:57 am

Doesn't the military hook you up with an education? A job? A home loan? Health insurance? You don't receive or have never received any government benefits as a veteran?

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Sep. 26 2012, 1:24 pm

Quote: darmokattanagra @ Sep. 26 2012, 8:57 am

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>Doesn't the military hook you up with an education? A job? A home loan? Health insurance? You don't receive or have never received any government benefits as a veteran?

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I take it you don't know anyone who's even been around the military....


Let's take these one at a time:


Education: Not specifically.  They do provide tuition assistance (but much less than most corporate environments) and a GI bill that can be used (which Obama is trying to limit,) but you must do it after duty hours (if you're not deployed) or wait until you separate from the military (at which time you no longer can use tuition assistance.)  If you want to talk about job training.... like businesses, some groups do better than others.  I was in a technical field (computers) and received almost no training at all - my bosses said I could just figure it out.... and then train everyone else.)  It's not uncommon that someone comes in to fill a position with absolutely no background or training.


Job:  The military is much more than just a job... you can't just quit (and I won't even talk about stop loss) and many of us get paid way less than the market rate.  Military personnel can be worked more hours without any days off.... and then there's always the danger factor...  When I left the miltary, I made multiple times what I received in the military.... and had better hours and better living conditions and better benefits (I also got paid for performance - something the military can't do.)


Home Loan:  Nope.  The only thing you get is a way to get the VA to guarantee the loan to the bank, not to you.... but you still have to qualify and go through all the normal paperwork, plus some additional paperwork.  Essentially, the only thing it gets you is a way not to pay PMI.   It didn't cost the government or the taxpayers anything because I paid off the house - the only time it's a problem is when the veteran doesn't pay the mortgage. (The percentage of VA mortgages that go bad is lower than non-VA.) 


Health Insurance: Kind of.... you only get what they give you, if they want to.  When I was in the military, I never had a physical exam (except MEPS) and the last four years I couldn't even get into see the dentist.  One night I almost bled out while in a military ER because the staff just didn't care (no other patients.)  The vast majority of the medical care I received, I had to go elsewhere  (and if the military found out about it, I would have been in trouble) and pay for it out of pocket... on military salary.  It's the perfect example of socialized medicine - extremely limited resources with doctors, many of them aren't good enough for private practice.  And if you're a dependent or retired.... it's worse!


Veteran benefits:  Personally, the only benefit I've ever received for being a veteran was the home loan guarantee. I've never received any other benefit from being a veteran (with the exception of some private businesses who give discounts to veterans.)  There are some veterans who do receive some governent benefits after service, but most of that has to do with taking care of injuries sustained while in the military.


 


The bottom line is that the military life costs much more than they (and their family) receive.  Most people join the military because they care about the USA and the Constitution and want to serve.  If you ever took a look at the demographics surrounding people who join the military, they are slighly better educated than average and also come from homes above the median economically.


 



FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Sep. 27 2012, 8:48 am

So... I'm wondering how many dead Americans......er...., what's the MESSiah's euphemism for it?  Oh, that's right.... "bumps in the road"....


How many "bumps in the road" will we have before Obama acts appropriately?

DS9_FOREVER!

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Report this Sep. 27 2012, 9:04 am

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Sep. 27 2012, 8:48 am

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>So... I'm wondering how many dead Americans......er...., what's the MESSiah's euphemism for it?  Oh, that's right.... "bumps in the road"....

>How many "bumps in the road" will we have before Obama acts appropriately?

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A dirt road wouldn't do it. We just had an amassador killed on sovereign US territory by terrotists and all he can do is lie to the American people and appoligize to the world at the UN.


They don't think that way. Terrorism to them should not required military action. It's a crime (police action).


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Report this Sep. 27 2012, 9:30 am

Another one with the Obama mindset: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio

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Report this Sep. 27 2012, 1:50 pm

Sigh.  I really wanted this board to be free of political rancor.


 


But since we're here, Obama is an idiot.  He's a cheat, a liar, a Muslim, not born in this country, and has done more damage in his 3.5 year term than any president before him.


 


Bush was an idiot too.


 


Throw them all out, throw the tax code out, and start over.

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