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Build the mosque anywhere but Ground Zero:Sacred ground requires special sensitivity

impulseengine

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Report this Sep. 13 2010, 8:51 pm

>>Is a Catholic the same as a Baptist or a Jehovah's Witness? In certain respects yes and in certain respects no. If the key differences involved something like terrorism, it certainly would make ALL the difference...

They are the different sects of Christianity and visibly different with different churches. The radical muslims and the peaceful ones worship in the SAME mosque. Its obvious you have some sort of reading or learning deficiency if you cant understand how baptist and catholics who worship in separate churches is easier to separate than muslims and radical muslims who worship in the same mosque.



Yes they are different sects of Christianity - that's the point! What you are missing is so is radical Islam different from regular Islam. I honestly don't know if they worship in the same mosque or not - never spoke with a terrorist personally - but I seriously doubt it. Since you are making such an aburd claim, where's your source? Regardless, it is their BELIEFS that make them different regardless of where they worship. And since those beliefs are radically different from regular Islam, I find it difficult to accept your claim that they worship in the same place.



>> And when a "Christian" commits a crime in the name of religion, we certainly DO deny that it was true Christianity he or she was following.


No actually we recognize that each individual is responsible for their own actions and not God. They read from the same bible that everyone else does, so thinking they have some crazy diffrent religion is naive.


What's naive is thinking that they don't have a different religion. When a so-called Christian says they commited a crime BECAUSE OF God in some way, do your really find that to be the same as what other Christians believe??? 


impulseengine

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Report this Sep. 13 2010, 9:07 pm


We do not need to be tolerant of those that want to kill us.



No we don't. And regular Muslims who want to build this mosque aren't among those who want to kill us so we do need to be tolerant of them.




It is STUPID to build it there. It will be blown up by someone IF they can find someone to build it.

Just stupid.



Yes, it may be blown up. And THAT's what would be stupid. What's also stupid is the blindness with which we lump all Muslims together - terrorist and non-terrorist alike. With that logic, if an American blew up a building in Europe, YOU would be included among those who would be blamed. Would that make sense to you?



This is a question I haven't heard in the media or answered by those that wish to build it.

WHY? Why do they HAVE to build it there? WHY????


Why not? Would you complain as loudly if it was a church? Maybe it just makes sense in order to serve the population they are trying to serve in that immediate area. Maybe there is little real estate in that general area of New York City to build on (doubtlessly so in fact if you've ever been to New York City).




Look up where they historically build mosques...and why they build them there.



And just who are "they" because there are two groups of people here. Terrorist Muslims and non-terrorist Muslims...

UNTRugby

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Report this Sep. 13 2010, 9:24 pm

>>Yes they are different sects of Christianity - that's the point! What you are missing is so is radical Islam different from regular Islam. I honestly don't know if they worship in the same mosque or not - never spoke with a terrorist personally - but I seriously doubt it. Since you are making such an aburd claim, where's your source? Regardless, it is their BELIEFS that make them different regardless of where they worship. And since those beliefs are radically different from regular Islam, I find it difficult to accept your claim that they worship in the same place.


This just shows how much you dont get it. They do worship in the same place, it is the same religion. 99.999% of the people read the words as love and peace and the .001 radical muslims read it as hatred and death. If it were a different religion it would have more followers. The people who interpret it violence either are just looking for a reason to commit violence or have mental problems or in most cases both. Different thinking doesnt make it an entirely different religion either, it just makes individuality. The bible has been translated many times from words that were couched in metaphor to begin with. You can take one verse of the bible and ten different people could interpret it 10 different ways does that make them from 10 separate religions even though they all might call themselves baptists?


its hard to give a christian example since theyre arent a lot of christan terrorist around but a close one would be the BTK killer. he was a deacon at a lutheran church yet he was the only serial killer among them but they all had the same religion and worshiped at the same place. 

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Report this Sep. 14 2010, 6:32 am

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or Fox as reliable sources here.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA do you actually want to be taken seriously talking rubbish like this? Seriously i respect you about as much as a teenager whining about something not being fair right now. Fox is a reputable news service and one of the most watched in the US. You might not like it but its real news.

impulseengine

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Report this Sep. 14 2010, 7:56 am

This just shows how much you dont get it. They do worship in the same place, it is the same religion. 99.999% of the people read the words as love and peace and the .001 radical muslims read it as hatred and death. If it were a different religion it would have more followers. The people who interpret it violence either are just looking for a reason to commit violence or have mental problems or in most cases both. Different thinking doesnt make it an entirely different religion either, it just makes individuality. The bible has been translated many times from words that were couched in metaphor to begin with. You can take one verse of the bible and ten different people could interpret it 10 different ways does that make them from 10 separate religions even though they all might call themselves baptists?

Actually that shows how much you don't get it. You are correct that the Bible has been interpreted in many ways. That has been the basis of many different sects of Christianity and that's the point. When it becomes too different, it no longer makes sense to sit in a place of worship that teaches something you don't believe in. So that's why new sects are formed. It's also why I find it difficult to believe these radical Islamists would continue to sit in regular Islamic mosques. And I see you didn't provide a source to back up your claim.

its hard to give a christian example since theyre arent a lot of christan terrorist around but a close one would be the BTK killer. he was a deacon at a lutheran church yet he was the only serial killer among them but they all had the same religion and worshiped at the same place.


 


Your original statement was not about a Christian committing a crime, but about a Christian committing a crime in the name of Christianity (which is the appropriate analogy for the Islamic terrorists). Lots of criminals hide out under religious positions because they think they will be less like to be suspected and caught. So merely being a deacon is meaningless.


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Report this Sep. 14 2010, 11:12 am

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This just shows how much you dont get it. They do worship in the same place, it is the same religion. 99.999% of the people read the words as love and peace and the .001 radical muslims read it as hatred and death. If it were a different religion it would have more followers. The people who interpret it violence either are just looking for a reason to commit violence or have mental problems or in most cases both. Different thinking doesnt make it an entirely different religion either, it just makes individuality. The bible has been translated many times from words that were couched in metaphor to begin with. You can take one verse of the bible and ten different people could interpret it 10 different ways does that make them from 10 separate religions even though they all might call themselves baptists? Actually that shows how much you don't get it. You are correct that the Bible has been interpreted in many ways. That has been the basis of many different sects of Christianity and that's the point. When it becomes too different, it no longer makes sense to sit in a place of worship that teaches something you don't believe in. So that's why new sects are formed. It's also why I find it difficult to believe these radical Islamists would continue to sit in regular Islamic mosques. And I see you didn't provide a source to back up your claim.

its hard to give a christian example since theyre arent a lot of christan terrorist around but a close one would be the BTK killer. he was a deacon at a lutheran church yet he was the only serial killer among them but they all had the same religion and worshiped at the same place.

 

Your original statement was not about a Christian committing a crime, but about a Christian committing a crime in the name of Christianity (which is the appropriate analogy for the Islamic terrorists). Lots of criminals hide out under religious positions because they think they will be less like to be suspected and caught. So merely being a deacon is meaningless.

Good points , and I'll add that protestants are still killing catholics and visa versa in Ireland (and they claim it's god's work). And many an SS officer and guard in WWII was also a christian and they thought nothing of engaging in terrorism and hideous war crimes.

Did you really think I wouldn't recognize you? I'll be ignoring all further posts from you.

Invader_Wishfire

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Report this Sep. 14 2010, 11:39 am

My few cents on the topic.

1. Ground Zero is not "sacred" or "hallowed" ground.

2. If Ground Zero was sacred or hallowed ground, then it would be the perfect place for a mosque, church, temple, or otherwise religious building.

3. The mosque, which is part of a community center, is being built two blocks away from Ground Zero. By definition, two blocks away from Ground Zero is not at Ground Zero.

People need to get over it.

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Report this Sep. 14 2010, 1:06 pm

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The Society for the Defeat of Islam maintains this website to chronicle the on-going Islamic war against the Free World. SDI is dedicated to stopping all efforts to propagate and impose the totalitarian ideology called Islam. SDI also supports efforts to eradicate Islamic oppression and violence. The ultimate goal is simple: liberate the entire world from Islam and relegate Islam to the trash heap of history.

"Condensed Retort to Ground Zero Monstrosity"


I wish to respond to the Islamists, their useful idiots and the ignorant sheeple who indignantly whine about the opposition to the proposed monstrosity at Ground Zero. All of these bleat about the freedoms enshrined in the Bill of Rights. Ironically, these same liberties will disappear if the Islamists ever seize control of the United States' government. Until the Islamists achieve their goal of undermining and destroying the American republic, they will continue, with the aid of other statists and other mushy-headed types, to squeal about imagined injustices against Mohamadans.

The opposition to the planned monument to the jihadis' mass murder at Ground Zero is not denying Islamists' freedom of religion. They are free to pray to their meteorite in Mecca, spout the hateful and violent verses of the criminal who fabricated their totalitarian ideology and otherwise continue to wallow in their pitiful lunacy. However, the civilized people in the United States do not have to permit the construction of structures that will bolster the Islamic infection. This insult to the memory of all the murdered civilians will serve as yet another malignant tumor which will further metastasize the cancer called Islam.

As Supreme Court Justice Robert H. Jackson wisely stated, "The Bill of Rights is not a suicide pact."


Sounds a lot like Nazi Germany. And equally founded in ignorance.

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Report this Sep. 14 2010, 2:23 pm

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> or Fox as reliable sources here.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA do you actually want to be taken seriously talking rubbish like this? Seriously i respect you about as much as a teenager whining about something not being fair right now. Fox is a reputable news service and one of the most watched in the US. You might not like it but its real news.
OK.... then we can it take that you can't actually prove your claims about muslims at all and all you are doing is repeating something you heard on Fox or read on a blog somewhere.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA i cant tell if youre joking or you really have the IQ of a pet rock but either way my side is freaking splitting

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Report this Sep. 14 2010, 2:29 pm

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And I see you didn't provide a source to back up your claim.


and you havent provided one of yours, i know my point of view is the truth i could care less if some random person on a msg board believes me. you are the one in doubt here, if its proof you want go find it.

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Report this Sep. 14 2010, 2:43 pm

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>Fox is a reputable news service ... its real news.

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Report this Sep. 15 2010, 8:07 am

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>>>Yes they are different sects of Christianity - that's the point! What you are missing is so is radical Islam different from regular Islam. I honestly don't know if they worship in the same mosque or not - never spoke with a terrorist personally - but I seriously doubt it. Since you are making such an aburd claim, where's your source? Regardless, it is their BELIEFS that make them different regardless of where they worship. And since those beliefs are radically different from regular Islam, I find it difficult to accept your claim that they worship in the same place.

>This just shows how much you dont get it. They do worship in the same place, it is the same religion. 99.999% of the people read the words as love and peace and the .001 radical muslims read it as hatred and death. If it were a different religion it would have more followers. The people who interpret it violence either are just looking for a reason to commit violence or have mental problems or in most cases both. Different thinking doesnt make it an entirely different religion either, it just makes individuality. The bible has been translated many times from words that were couched in metaphor to begin with. You can take one verse of the bible and ten different people could interpret it 10 different ways does that make them from 10 separate religions even though they all might call themselves baptists?

>its hard to give a christian example since theyre arent a lot of christan terrorist around but a close one would be the BTK killer. he was a deacon at a lutheran church yet he was the only serial killer among them but they all had the same religion and worshiped at the same place. 

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Prove your claim that they do. Sorry but I'm not going to accept your opinion or your word only, or blogs, or propoganda, or Fox as reliable sources here.

Christian terrorists , look at the KKK, look at what has been happening in Northern Ireland (you've heard of The Troubles ? ) , the Neo-Nazies  who pop up in every western nation, look at street gangs (they're terrorists as well as criminals), just four examples.

Neo Nazies and street gangs are not Christian terrorist groups since they are not Christian you are correct the KKK was a christian terrorist group, but if we are going that route than the same argument can be made that the Black Panthers are a Muslim terrorist group.

Oh and do you have any proof that Fox isn't a reputable news source other than you hate right wing commentators?

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Report this Sep. 15 2010, 8:15 am

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>>>Yes they are different sects of Christianity - that's the point! What you are missing is so is radical Islam different from regular Islam. I honestly don't know if they worship in the same mosque or not - never spoke with a terrorist personally - but I seriously doubt it. Since you are making such an aburd claim, where's your source? Regardless, it is their BELIEFS that make them different regardless of where they worship. And since those beliefs are radically different from regular Islam, I find it difficult to accept your claim that they worship in the same place.

>This just shows how much you dont get it. They do worship in the same place, it is the same religion. 99.999% of the people read the words as love and peace and the .001 radical muslims read it as hatred and death. If it were a different religion it would have more followers. The people who interpret it violence either are just looking for a reason to commit violence or have mental problems or in most cases both. Different thinking doesnt make it an entirely different religion either, it just makes individuality. The bible has been translated many times from words that were couched in metaphor to begin with. You can take one verse of the bible and ten different people could interpret it 10 different ways does that make them from 10 separate religions even though they all might call themselves baptists?

>its hard to give a christian example since theyre arent a lot of christan terrorist around but a close one would be the BTK killer. he was a deacon at a lutheran church yet he was the only serial killer among them but they all had the same religion and worshiped at the same place. 

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Prove your claim that they do. Sorry but I'm not going to accept your opinion or your word only, or blogs, or propoganda, or Fox as reliable sources here.

Christian terrorists , look at the KKK, look at what has been happening in Northern Ireland (you've heard of The Troubles ? ) , the Neo-Nazies  who pop up in every western nation, look at street gangs (they're terrorists as well as criminals), just four examples.

Neo Nazies and street gangs are not Christian terrorist groups since they are not Christian you are correct the KKK was a christian terrorist group, but if we are going that route than the same argument can be made that the Black Panthers are a Muslim terrorist group. Oh and do you have any proof that Fox isn't a reputable news source other than you hate right wing commentators?


I'm with Chr33 on this one

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Report this Sep. 15 2010, 9:51 am

A; Faux "news" is being proven an unreliable source of newx every single day by almost everyone with a brain. B; I say build a mosque right on ground zero. just to piss everyone off.


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