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Trekwolf164

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Report this Feb. 11 2011, 9:40 am

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I think Ransom was clearly much worse. He broke rules and lost his humanity to save his crew. Archer and Janeway did things I found wrong that bent the rules to the point of at least causing micro fractures. But Janeway and Archer didn't torture, kill, and desecrate the dead. Archer acted like a pirate at times, but committed piracy for a greater good and didn't kill those he stole from. I think what he did was wrong, maybe not forgivable, but understandable. And he clearly feely great remorse. When Janeway bent the rules, she never seemed to be remorseful, but she didn't go as far as Archer. What kills me about Ransom is, in the end, he did repent, so you actually do have to give him some credit. This is what is great about these shows, we often forget in our easy lives as they did in tng the tough decisions that are made in a survival situation. A person can do bad things and not be a bad person. A good person can also do something so bad, he is permanently tainted by it.
That's interesting, Janeway certainly did bend rules on occasion but can you give an example of something that she did that you think she should have been remorseful for and wasn't?
She Tied up one of Ransome's crew and lowered the shields so that a hostile alien could injure him and potentialy kill him
No, she did it to scare him to get information out of him. She was right there ready to raise sheilds again
Just because the first survived and told her what she wanted to hear to save his own life.If he had been killed by the creature's first attack Janeway was ready to put in the next member of Ransomes Crew until they either turned on their Captain or were dead.
Back up that statement please. There was nothing that indicated anything close to what you said. I can even provide you with a link to the episode transcription
Janeway was successful with her first detainee he survived by turning on his Captain. We don't know what she was prepared to do because he lived. But what she did is a crime.
You're just assuming for some reason that she would have let that person die. Despite that being completely out of character for her. There was enough in dication that she wouldn't ave let that person die, that she would have raised the sheilds even if he didn't give her what she wanted. You're just making random assumptions
Trust me that crewman thought he was going to be killed. To do that to another being is cruel then to rot in Voyagers brig for how many years

www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcdZla4gKk0

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Report this Feb. 11 2011, 9:44 am

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Quote: Matthias Russell @ Feb. 11 2011, 4:28 am

I think Ransom was clearly much worse. He broke rules and lost his humanity to save his crew. Archer and Janeway did things I found wrong that bent the rules to the point of at least causing micro fractures. But Janeway and Archer didn't torture, kill, and desecrate the dead. Archer acted like a pirate at times, but committed piracy for a greater good and didn't kill those he stole from. I think what he did was wrong, maybe not forgivable, but understandable. And he clearly feely great remorse. When Janeway bent the rules, she never seemed to be remorseful, but she didn't go as far as Archer. What kills me about Ransom is, in the end, he did repent, so you actually do have to give him some credit. This is what is great about these shows, we often forget in our easy lives as they did in tng the tough decisions that are made in a survival situation. A person can do bad things and not be a bad person. A good person can also do something so bad, he is permanently tainted by it.
That's interesting, Janeway certainly did bend rules on occasion but can you give an example of something that she did that you think she should have been remorseful for and wasn't?
She Tied up one of Ransome's crew and lowered the shields so that a hostile alien could injure him and potentialy kill him
No, she did it to scare him to get information out of him. She was right there ready to raise sheilds again
Just because the first survived and told her what she wanted to hear to save his own life.If he had been killed by the creature's first attack Janeway was ready to put in the next member of Ransomes Crew until they either turned on their Captain or were dead.
Back up that statement please. There was nothing that indicated anything close to what you said. I can even provide you with a link to the episode transcription
Janeway was successful with her first detainee he survived by turning on his Captain. We don't know what she was prepared to do because he lived. But what she did is a crime.
You're just assuming for some reason that she would have let that person die. Despite that being completely out of character for her. There was enough in dication that she wouldn't ave let that person die, that she would have raised the sheilds even if he didn't give her what she wanted. You're just making random assumptions
Trust me that crewman thought he was going to be killed. To do that to another being is cruel then to rot in Voyagers brig for how many years


well yeah HE thought he was in danger, that was the point. It was a scare tactic to get information out of him. Making you think you're in more danger than you really are is an interrigation technique

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Report this Feb. 11 2011, 9:46 am

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Quote: Matthias Russell @ Feb. 11 2011, 4:28 am

I think Ransom was clearly much worse. He broke rules and lost his humanity to save his crew. Archer and Janeway did things I found wrong that bent the rules to the point of at least causing micro fractures. But Janeway and Archer didn't torture, kill, and desecrate the dead. Archer acted like a pirate at times, but committed piracy for a greater good and didn't kill those he stole from. I think what he did was wrong, maybe not forgivable, but understandable. And he clearly feely great remorse. When Janeway bent the rules, she never seemed to be remorseful, but she didn't go as far as Archer. What kills me about Ransom is, in the end, he did repent, so you actually do have to give him some credit. This is what is great about these shows, we often forget in our easy lives as they did in tng the tough decisions that are made in a survival situation. A person can do bad things and not be a bad person. A good person can also do something so bad, he is permanently tainted by it.
That's interesting, Janeway certainly did bend rules on occasion but can you give an example of something that she did that you think she should have been remorseful for and wasn't?
She Tied up one of Ransome's crew and lowered the shields so that a hostile alien could injure him and potentialy kill him
No, she did it to scare him to get information out of him. She was right there ready to raise sheilds again
Just because the first survived and told her what she wanted to hear to save his own life.If he had been killed by the creature's first attack Janeway was ready to put in the next member of Ransomes Crew until they either turned on their Captain or were dead.
Back up that statement please. There was nothing that indicated anything close to what you said. I can even provide you with a link to the episode transcription
Janeway was successful with her first detainee he survived by turning on his Captain. We don't know what she was prepared to do because he lived. But what she did is a crime.
You're just assuming for some reason that she would have let that person die. Despite that being completely out of character for her. There was enough in dication that she wouldn't ave let that person die, that she would have raised the sheilds even if he didn't give her what she wanted. You're just making random assumptions
Trust me that crewman thought he was going to be killed. To do that to another being is cruel then to rot in Voyagers brig for how many years
well yeah HE thought he was in danger, that was the point. It was a scare tactic to get information out of him. Making you think you're in more danger than you really are is an interrigation technique
There was no more danger he could be in the alien was lethal he was bound and he knew they were turning off the force field in the room he was in.He is only alive because he was lucky the creature did not see him when it first entered the room

www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcdZla4gKk0

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Report this Feb. 11 2011, 11:59 am

To answer the question toward me-
Killing Tuvix comes to mind. I don't remember her showing concern for his right to exist. She also sided with the borg without considering the effect on the region, she just wanted to benefit the crew. When faced with the consequences on the locals, she showed no regrets.

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Report this Feb. 12 2011, 9:55 am

How many times did Janeway lose command of her ship ?

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Report this Feb. 16 2011, 4:23 pm

Captain Janeway was is my role model. A very strong woman who just wanted to get her crew home. I loved Janeway.

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Report this Feb. 19 2011, 5:15 pm

Captin Katherine Janeway is the best!!!!

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Report this Feb. 20 2011, 3:50 pm

Cpt Janeway was da bomb! Ok shes no Kirk and dosnt command the utter respect you'd give Picard but she was great in her own way, i loved her determination and drive to get that crew home, also she seemed the most approachable cpt, i liked her and as for Kate Mulgrew, what an actress!


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Report this Feb. 23 2011, 7:18 pm

What is NOT to love about her? She's motherly when appropriate, she pushes when she needs to, tough as nails, demonstrates a love for her crew and ship that surpases all other Captains (in my opinon) (for example Year of Hell), has a subtle sexuality that is both classy and intriguing- oh I could go on and on.


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