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Done with season one - opinion

ST1701

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Report this Jul. 29 2010, 4:18 pm

Shame I had to make another account as my last one got zapped in the website transporter malfuntion.


Anyway, I'm watching Enterprise from start to finish (never seen them before) and just now finished season one.


It wasn't the wrecthed dung heap I had been led to believe.


In fact, it was quite fun to watch and have really been enjoying it.


I've read some fairly harsh opinions concerning Enterprise and I think some might perhaps take the genre a tad too seriously.


Now back to season two...

Grev Per

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Report this Jul. 29 2010, 4:28 pm

The best is yet to come. :)

One of the early episodes in Season 2, Carbon Creek, is one of my favorites. Hopefully it will be one of yours too.

I have really only 3 complaints about Enterprise.
1. Early on, Archer yells too much at Vulcans. Yes I know it gives him a story-arch to learn to bridge differences etc. But no one is that dumb. Vulcans had apparently been around for decades. It just makes Archer look stupid, which is really just a shame on the writers' parts. Shame on you writers!

2. The temporal cold-war is boring. Well its okay but it's really rather unnecessary overall. At least there are a couple good episodes.

3. The Xindi story-arch in season 3 is pretty awesome, but it didn't need to consume the entire season.

Otherwise it's an excellent series, all series have their flaws and in my opinion, these are pretty minor. :)

Now the list of good things could go on and on. :)

nrapo

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Report this Jul. 29 2010, 7:40 pm

Quote: ST1701 @ Jul. 29 2010, 4:18 pm

Shame I had to make another account as my last one got zapped in the website transporter malfuntion.

Anyway, I'm watching Enterprise from start to finish (never seen them before) and just now finished season one.

It wasn't the wrecthed dung heap I had been led to believe.

In fact, it was quite fun to watch and have really been enjoying it.

I've read some fairly harsh opinions concerning Enterprise and I think some might perhaps take the genre a tad too seriously.

Now back to season two...



It was a great show; we have been saying it for years.

The second season is a bit bland, but don't get discouraged, the third and fourth are awesome.

Peace through superior firepower....

tishkajaku

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Report this Jul. 29 2010, 9:52 pm

You are going to enjoy Enterprise even more as your seasons progress, then you will come back to earlier episodes and appreciate them even more for the subtlety of the relationships, building and changing to become the wonderful crew (and cast in RL ) of Enterprise.

Some of my favorite episodes in season 2 are.....Minefield/Dead Stop mini arc, The Catwalk, Dawn, Cease Fire, The Breach, Cogenitor, and First Flight. This season helped build up the characters, their individualities, and their learning to trust and lean on each other.

TRIP:I'm only kidding. You look nice like this. Kind of like an old oil painting. T'POL:I'm not old. I will only be sixty six years old on my next birthday. TRIP:I can't believe you told me that. T'POL:You accused me of looking old. TRIP:That's not what I mean. I've been trying to get you to tell me your age since we left Spacedock. Why now? T'POL:To Vulcans, certain information is considered intimate. TRIP:Intimate?

nrapo

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Report this Jul. 29 2010, 10:10 pm

Quote: tishkajaku @ Jul. 29 2010, 9:52 pm

You are going to enjoy Enterprise even more as your seasons progress, then you will come back to earlier episodes and appreciate them even more for the subtlety of the relationships, building and changing to become the wonderful crew (and cast in RL ) of Enterprise. Some of my favorite episodes in season 2 are.....Minefield/Dead Stop mini arc, The Catwalk, Dawn, Cease Fire, The Breach, Cogenitor, and First Flight. This season helped build up the characters, their individualities, and their learning to trust and lean on each other.

I totally agree on the best episodes from season 2. My issue with that particular season was that it was dis-jointed. The Enterprise seemed to just meander with not much purpose. When they started doing arcs and running episodes into each other as a continuous narrative, the show got consistency and improved dramatically.

Peace through superior firepower....

grigori

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Report this Jul. 30 2010, 7:29 pm

Quote: Grev Per @ Jul. 29 2010, 4:28 pm

The best is yet to come. :) One of the early episodes in Season 2, Carbon Creek, is one of my favorites. Hopefully it will be one of yours too. I have really only 3 complaints about Enterprise. 1. Early on, Archer yells too much at Vulcans. Yes I know it gives him a story-arch to learn to bridge differences etc. But no one is that dumb. Vulcans had apparently been around for decades. It just makes Archer look stupid, which is really just a shame on the writers' parts. Shame on you writers! 2. The temporal cold-war is boring. Well its okay but it's really rather unnecessary overall. At least there are a couple good episodes. 3. The Xindi story-arch in season 3 is pretty awesome, but it didn't need to consume the entire season. Otherwise it's an excellent series, all series have their flaws and in my opinion, these are pretty minor. :) Now the list of good things could go on and on. :)


Whoa, Grev Per, you're channeling me so precisely! Good to see you posting here. I've got to start coming back onto these New Boards more often, now that people are actually managing to have conversations in spite of technical difficulties.

Definitely, ST1701, seek out those individual ep's threads and keep our conversations going. I agree that the main gripe people had about ENT was, ultimately, that it wasn't exactly what THEY expected. I just sit back and give it a little slack--suddenly you see all the good stuff that the harsher critics completely miss.

Well...I'm here

nrapo

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Report this Jul. 31 2010, 1:41 am

Quote: grigori @ Jul. 30 2010, 7:29 pm

I agree that the main gripe people had about ENT was, ultimately, that it wasn't exactly what THEY expected. I just sit back and give it a little slack--suddenly you see all the good stuff that the harsher critics completely miss.


Did people expect another clone of the Next Generation? DS9 and Voyager had their own character and flavor, but they were still done in the same style as STNG.

Enterprise was unique. Where all the other Treks were a pure fantasy, the Enterprise was closer to our reality and was easier to relate to. The cast had great chemistry and the language was more of a vernacular - not too FCC compliant (the word "ass" and "son of a bitch" was used a few times). Also, the show had more emotions to it than the other Treks.

Peace through superior firepower....

nrapo

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Report this Jul. 31 2010, 1:43 am

I loved the DS9 and I thought Voyager was great, once they introduced Seven of Nine.

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nrapo

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Report this Aug. 01 2010, 5:08 am

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I loved the DS9 and I thought Voyager was great, once they introduced Seven of Nine. I always thought that Voyager and Enterprise had more quality episodes in seasons 1&2 than TNG and DS9 did.


Every Trek series had some great moments. Enterprise is my favorite, but I also loved the Q, Data and Borg geared episodes in TNG, all Odo, Gul Dukat, Garak and Dominion geared episodes in DS9 and everything with Seven of Nine on Voyager. To me, those were the most interesting characters with most enticing story lines.

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Grev Per

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Report this Aug. 01 2010, 6:31 am

7 of 9 was great, but once she was introduced, other characters got less and less attention. (There are practically no Chakotay episodes later on in the show. In fact he's one of the least defined characters, it's too bad cause he could've been really interesting.)

Not that I have anything against the later seasons of Voyager, they're some of the best. It just seems in hindsight to be a large oversight.

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Report this Aug. 01 2010, 2:42 pm

Quote: Grev Per @ Aug. 01 2010, 6:31 am

7 of 9 was great, but once she was introduced, other characters got less and less attention. (There are practically no Chakotay episodes later on in the show. In fact he's one of the least defined characters, it's too bad cause he could've been really interesting.) Not that I have anything against the later seasons of Voyager, they're some of the best. It just seems in hindsight to be a large oversight.


True, she got the most attention, but what a character! The story lines for Seven were really good - she drew a lot of viewer-ship and probably kept the show afloat. Chakotay was definitely on the losing end here because Seven mostly interacted with the Captain and the Doctor.

Peace through superior firepower....

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Report this Aug. 01 2010, 7:58 pm

Quote: nrapo @ Jul. 31 2010, 1:41 am

Did people expect another clone of the Next Generation? DS9 and Voyager had their own character and flavor, but they were still done in the same style as STNG. Enterprise was unique. Where all the other Treks were a pure fantasy, the Enterprise was closer to our reality and was easier to relate to. The cast had great chemistry and the language was more of a vernacular - not too FCC compliant (the word "ass" and "son of a bitch" was used a few times). Also, the show had more emotions to it than the other Treks.


Now nrapo is channeling my sentiments! Deja-vu with tish when SHE came on Board and was saying thing almost verbatim I had said. :>

I liked ALL the series BECAUSE they were apples and oranges. I liked what was fresh and different about each new series. I even liked the fact that ENT's opening sequence was so different from what we'd seen before.

But mostly I liked the grittiness of that time period, uniforms that looked closer to our era, a more functional ship, and attitudes more down-to-earth (language, also).

This was the crew that made the mistakes and had the difficulties that LED to the Federation and its values! People needed to use their imaginations and see that Archer couldn't realistically react like Picard or even Kirk. This was one little ship out there all alone, not an emissary of an entire Federation of Planets with all their established rules and guidelines for conduct.

Well...I'm here

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Report this Aug. 01 2010, 8:01 pm

ENT was the very best - great cast, closer to our reality - yes, a bit of wandering about in the second season (actually more realistic though dramatically less engaging) - and by season three and four absolutely amazing!

nrapo

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Report this Aug. 01 2010, 9:54 pm

Both, grigori and stlobo, make a lot of sense. I am just amazed how this series, across all its shows, survived for 45 years - different generations, cultures, persuasions.

Though it is a very American show, it has a huge fan base in Europe, South America, Russia, Japan, etc. Everybody finds some thing appealing. When I was part of Save Enterprise campaign, I was communicating with a large fan group in Russia. They were as upset about this as the American fans. You would be surprised how close their comments were to your comments. Go figure... I guess Trek tapped into something universal.


Peace through superior firepower....

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Report this Oct. 05 2010, 3:53 pm

ENT is my 2nd favourite Star Trek show. Season 4 is the best with Season 3 at a close second, then its Season 1 (but putting in the Ferengi was completely unecersary) and Season 2 brings up the rear. (Not that I didn't like Season 2, its just I liked the others more)

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