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wissa

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Report this Jun. 28 2010, 10:19 pm

Quote (trekbuff @ June 28 2010, 12:56 pm)
Quote (grigori @ June 28 2010, 8:17 pm)
Why am I the only one who thinks the rules are fairly clear? People KNOW when they're trolling and spamming and tearing down Admin because they have nothing better to do.

There was some inconsistency during the shakedown period, but I believe Admin was trying. What other motivation could they possibly have? Of course they got frustrated when people started launching missiles left and right and declared all-out war. A lot of folks did get caught in the cross-fire.

But long-term, I don't perceive any reckless nuking of accounts or banning. Like I said, people know what they're doing, and this feigning surprise and offense is starting to get old.

Hi g.

No, g, you're not the only one.

There are folks who still have multiple memberships. There are troublemakers, spammers and trolls who feign innocence when most other folks have no problem seeing what they do.

The current Admin came into this site full time when there was one particular troublemaker who was reporting others when they objected to him trying to police the boards. The main problem was they did so in a post rather than reporting the troll post. This particular person was clearly here only to stalk and rule the roost. Seldom did he participate in any thread discussing Trek. His threads were a list of personal questions with some very off colour.

It really did almost seem folks were being banned and given warning boxes for nothing more than being reported. This can hardly be compared to people starting threads celebrating the return of known troublemakers, people starting threads clearly confrontational to the board Admin and people known for trolling, spamming and instigating trouble in the threads of others continuing to be allowed to wreak their havoc.

The known troublemakers are trying to blur their suspensions and bannings with the many who were caught in the crossfire. The known troublemakers are saying things about Admin much worse than those to whom they point a finger, but they do so in private areas of those message boards and call foul when someone makes screen captures and lets out their private gossip.

We have had a lot of Billy hitting Bobby, Mom turns around to see Bobby returning the favor and Bobby is the one who gets in trouble. Billy laughs and revels in Bobby's admonishment. Now that Bobby has been punished, Billy reminds Mom that Bobby is the troublemaker. Bobby knows when to hit Billy should the occasion avail itself. However, when Billy is sent to his room, Billy tells all of his friends that Bobby is being punished for being the trouble maker. Billy's other siblings don't wish to get caught up in Billy's shenanigans, so they go off somewhere else to play.

The problem we have on these boards is there are enough Billys that a lot of folks don't wish to play here any more. The worst Billy keeps coming back and claims he's the one who has been wronged. Some Billys have actually flaunted their mischief and have been nuked.

The question remains, has the damage already been done?

:laugh:  that was complicated.

wissa

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Report this Jun. 28 2010, 10:49 pm

Quote (SeerSGB @ June 28 2010, 2:44 pm)
we're also forgetting the "tattle-tale" factor. ¿People that think they're getting in good with the Admin by tattling on every little thing or relying info from other-sites to him. ¿When he has said that serial-reporters (people that abuse the system) will get smacked down just as hard as the people they're (trying) to report. ¿

But what it has down to the COMMUNITY of the board is put a dose of paranoia-- not only here but on other boards.

I'm always amused at the number of people who think that people who are known to admin as troublemakers are somehow getting people banned.  They aren't going to pay attention the reports from people they know are trouble.   :laugh:

wissa

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Report this Jun. 28 2010, 11:05 pm

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we're also forgetting the "tattle-tale" factor. ?People that think they're getting in good with the Admin by tattling on every little thing or relying info from other-sites to him. ?When he has said that serial-reporters (people that abuse the system) will get smacked down just as hard as the people they're (trying) to report. ?

But what it has down to the COMMUNITY of the board is put a dose of paranoia-- not only here but on other boards.

I'm always amused at the number of people who think that people who are known to admin as troublemakers are somehow getting people banned. ?They aren't going to pay attention the reports from people they know are trouble. ? :laugh:

Not necessarily "troublemakers"-- though I'm sure they've done or do their share. ¿I'm thinking more along the lines the "borderline cases"-- the folks that know their dance on the pin's head of the rules, or people they just see an opening and figure to make a dive to earn brownie points for the future.

there are plenty of people who are blaming a certain troublemaker for getting other people banned.  


and from what I've seen admin sees right through a lot of the gameplay.

wissa

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Report this Jun. 28 2010, 11:12 pm

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we're also forgetting the "tattle-tale" factor. ?People that think they're getting in good with the Admin by tattling on every little thing or relying info from other-sites to him. ?When he has said that serial-reporters (people that abuse the system) will get smacked down just as hard as the people they're (trying) to report. ?

But what it has down to the COMMUNITY of the board is put a dose of paranoia-- not only here but on other boards.

I'm always amused at the number of people who think that people who are known to admin as troublemakers are somehow getting people banned. ?They aren't going to pay attention the reports from people they know are trouble. ? :laugh:

Not necessarily "troublemakers"-- though I'm sure they've done or do their share. ?I'm thinking more along the lines the "borderline cases"-- the folks that know their dance on the pin's head of the rules, or people they just see an opening and figure to make a dive to earn brownie points for the future.

there are plenty of people who are blaming a certain troublemaker for getting other people banned. ?


and from what I've seen admin sees right through a lot of the gameplay.

Oh I don't lay the blame on one person. ¿No one person could have slashed and burn that many members. ¿Personal theory? Some of it was mutually assured destruction: reporter gets reported by the person they are reporting on and Admin just bonks them both to get some peace and quiet.

now that wouldn't surprise me.  Who could come in here and figure out what is going on between some people  :laugh:

wissa

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Report this Jun. 29 2010, 12:59 am

Quote (Eng_D @ June 28 2010, 3:17 pm)
Quote (SeerSGB @ June 28 2010, 9:49 pm)
I agree anyone getting nuked NOW is either deliberately breaking the rules or just hasn't been paying attention. ? But there are still some that cry foul and trying weasel around and say "well the rules don't specifically say..." ?Take dual accounts for example, some wiggled and wormed around that till we have what we have now a clear cut "1 account" policy.

I do think we need at least 1 or 2 more moderators to cover any "bald spots" when the current admin isn't around.

I made maybe 10 posts, and my account was nuked, I said nothing at all nasty to or about anyone.

Are new posters welcome here or not ?

It doesn't look like they are.

lets not play games.  Your accounts are nuked on site for a reason I'm sure.  I suspect it was your threats to call a lawyer that made you unwelcome.

wissa

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Report this Jun. 29 2010, 1:21 am

Quote (ZeroArmour @ June 28 2010, 5:19 pm)
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Quote (wissa @ June 28 2010, 10:49 pm)
Quote (SeerSGB @ June 28 2010, 2:44 pm)
we're also forgetting the "tattle-tale" factor. ?People that think they're getting in good with the Admin by tattling on every little thing or relying info from other-sites to him. ?When he has said that serial-reporters (people that abuse the system) will get smacked down just as hard as the people they're (trying) to report. ?

But what it has down to the COMMUNITY of the board is put a dose of paranoia-- not only here but on other boards.

I'm always amused at the number of people who think that people who are known to admin as troublemakers are somehow getting people banned. ?They aren't going to pay attention the reports from people they know are trouble. ? :laugh:

Not necessarily "troublemakers"-- though I'm sure they've done or do their share. ?I'm thinking more along the lines the "borderline cases"-- the folks that know their dance on the pin's head of the rules, or people they just see an opening and figure to make a dive to earn brownie points for the future.

there are plenty of people who are blaming a certain troublemaker for getting other people banned. ?


and from what I've seen admin sees right through a lot of the gameplay.

Oh I don't lay the blame on one person. ?No one person could have slashed and burn that many members. ?Personal theory? Some of it was mutually assured destruction: reporter gets reported by the person they are reporting on and Admin just bonks them both to get some peace and quiet.

But surely that's unfair?

The Admin has encouraged people to report transgressors rather than sort things out themselves, if you punish the reporter you've created a policy that can't do anything else but fail!

if your work day consisted of wading through an hours worth of two people reporting each other and you had the power to make it all stop what would you do?  :laugh:

wissa

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Report this Jun. 29 2010, 9:35 am

Quote (Eng_D @ June 28 2010, 6:18 pm)
Quote (wissa @ June 29 2010, 1:21 am)
Quote (ZeroArmour @ June 28 2010, 5:19 pm)
Quote (SeerSGB @ June 28 2010, 11:11 pm)
Quote (wissa @ June 28 2010, 11:05 pm)
Quote (SeerSGB @ June 28 2010, 3:00 pm)
Quote (wissa @ June 28 2010, 10:49 pm)
Quote (SeerSGB @ June 28 2010, 2:44 pm)
we're also forgetting the "tattle-tale" factor. ?People that think they're getting in good with the Admin by tattling on every little thing or relying info from other-sites to him. ?When he has said that serial-reporters (people that abuse the system) will get smacked down just as hard as the people they're (trying) to report. ?

But what it has down to the COMMUNITY of the board is put a dose of paranoia-- not only here but on other boards.

I'm always amused at the number of people who think that people who are known to admin as troublemakers are somehow getting people banned. ?They aren't going to pay attention the reports from people they know are trouble. ? :laugh:

Not necessarily "troublemakers"-- though I'm sure they've done or do their share. ?I'm thinking more along the lines the "borderline cases"-- the folks that know their dance on the pin's head of the rules, or people they just see an opening and figure to make a dive to earn brownie points for the future.

there are plenty of people who are blaming a certain troublemaker for getting other people banned. ?


and from what I've seen admin sees right through a lot of the gameplay.

Oh I don't lay the blame on one person. ?No one person could have slashed and burn that many members. ?Personal theory? Some of it was mutually assured destruction: reporter gets reported by the person they are reporting on and Admin just bonks them both to get some peace and quiet.

But surely that's unfair?

The Admin has encouraged people to report transgressors rather than sort things out themselves, if you punish the reporter you've created a policy that can't do anything else but fail!

if your work day consisted of wading through an hours worth of two people reporting each other and you had the power to make it all stop what would you do? ?:laugh:

That how you administer and moderate on your board ?

of course not.  Moderating a small board and a large board like this is totally different.  Not to mention a large part of the problem is how long the board was virtually unmoderated.

grigori

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Report this Jun. 29 2010, 1:10 pm

Quote (wissa @ June 28 2010, 11:12 pm)
Quote (SeerSGB @ June 28 2010, 3:11 pm)
Some of it was mutually assured destruction: reporter gets reported by the person they are reporting on and Admin just bonks them both to get some peace and quiet.

now that wouldn't surprise me. Who could come in here and figure out what is going on between some people :laugh:

:laugh: I like "mutually assured destruction" in this context. Very apt.

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