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challengerdyer

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Report this Jun. 20 2010, 12:54 am

Quote (trekbuff @ June 19 2010, 9:01 pm)
Quote (challengerdyer @ June 18 2010, 2:31 pm)
One of the first scenes of TATV opens in Ten-Forward on the "D" and we see a waitress pick up drinks and start to cross the room. ?Now, PAY ATTENTION! ?As she crosses the room, you can clearly (with pause button, or frame by frame) pick out Captain Picard, Data, and a Betazoid representative having a conversation. ?BEHIND them is a Ferengi playing 3-D chess with........Commander Riker!! ?The camera next moves across Ten-Forward to show Riker and Troi sitting together discussing Riker's quandry about Admiral Pressman!!

TWO THINGS TO POINT OUT......
#1- This is not a Holodeck program!

#2- It is, however, the episode "Menage a' Trois"!!!

It's weird what you find when you aren't even looking!

I guess there's one in every crowd and this time it appears to by my turn :eyesroll:

The problem here is if we see Riker both playing 3-D chess with a Ferengi AND sitting with Troi discussing Riker's quandry about Admiral Pressman, at least one of them can't be real. This actually gives credence to it being a holoprogram.

:laugh:

Unfortunately, the holoprogram idea holds no water.  The scene ends with Riker and Troi sitting together and drinking their drinks, the next scene is them continuing the same conversation in the corridors of the Enterprise D.  

In the other scenes where they are OBVIOUSLY on the holodeck, someone either calls for the ARCH, pauses the program, or ends it altogether.

This is simply a case of someone not thinking that anyone would catch the goof.  Or just putting it in there as a tease, which is just annoying!

tishkajaku

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Report this Jun. 20 2010, 5:44 pm

Yep, it was very goobered up....  (I love that word, grigori!!! )

GalaxyClass14

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Report this Jun. 22 2010, 12:16 pm

warning: this is going sort of off topic.
ignore if that appeals,
but it was this thread that got me thinking
and it is reading responses in this thread
that led my direction of thinking.
sorry, if sorry is appropriate.

Quote (tishkajaku @ June 17 2010, 10:10 pm)
[T'Pol's quarters]

T'POL: Come in.
TUCKER: (trying not to cry) The delegates at the conference, they've asked about the service for, for Elizabeth. They want to attend.
T'POL: She was important.
TUCKER: There's something else. I spoke with Phlox. It turns out there was a flaw in the technique that Paxton's doctors used in the cloning process. Human DNA and Vulcan DNA, Phlox says there's no medical reason why they can't combine. So if a Vulcan and a human ever decided to have a child, it'd probably be okay. And that's sort of comforting.
(T'Pol takes his hand)

I thought that was really cool.

always always
enjoy watching connor play trip.
but that scene
o.m.g.

since this thread interested me
to watch tatv again for detail hunting,
i doubled the examination
to see if i could also get a view
on the tp and tatv controversy.
trip's scene (quoted here)
is as as brilliant an acting job
as ever i have seen.

since i have not the strong opinion as others
about tp and tatv
i decided to watch them in reverse.
tatv then tp

okay.
i do get the hubbub now.
i understand.
tp was certainly a
perfect way to end the series.
the show was stronger
and worked better
on many more levels than tatv.
indubitably.
so argument from me anymore.
i am in agreement.

and

one thing i see
viewing them in reverse order this time is that

forever from this moment on and on

tp and tatv, for me, will be one episode
with tp being pt.1 and tatv being pt.2.
i know. suprised me too.

even tho there are obvious weak points in tatv
(which have been mentioned so i will refrain)
i like, really like
the jump to the future
to see the "fruition"
of the years enterprise and crew
put into the creation of
such a mind blowing alliance of diversity
that not only rocks their universe

it rocks mine!

and i deem it fitting
that those who make trek episodes
chose
to end the series with the
actual beginning of the federation
rather than the beginning of the
serious discussion of a federation.

i am aware pt.2 (as i will now refer to tatv)
did not match up to pt.1 (tp)
in many areas
however
i do see that effort was made to do so
i respect that effort was made to do so
i also see 'what' i think they were
making the effort to do.
that is what i have decided to think.

as to trip's dying...
omg
when i read on these threads
back in 2009 when i came here
that trip

trip!

was killed i had all the thoughts
i have seen expressed here.
all

watching this time thooooooooooooooo

let's look at it from a couple more sides.
(just give it a thought,
you don't have to agree
of course
just a wee thought)

this venture enterprise was endeavoring
was monumental,
humongous
really for all time big.
create the federation we all know and love.
it makes sense to me
that there will be unexpected cost
in the lives of those
we are invested in watching.
the show's over anyway,
why not make it b.i.g.

and i don't know if you know
acting or actors,
but a death scene,
at the end of the show,
if you're a beloved character,
is one of the most desirous
roles and actor can have.

i think connor fit the slot perfectly.
beloved character
end of show
death scene
actor's dream

and connor gets to top it off
with thousands of fans
in an absolute uproar
about your death,
well let's say

forever

and baby, you have made history.
and you got to wink
just before you died?

agreeably coulda shoulda been done better
agreed
agreed
tho i think connor came out
waaaaaay ahead.
a wink and a death?
fans in an uproar?
at the end of your
character and show?

cool

i did see the stuff the op described.
way cool.

grigori

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Report this Jun. 22 2010, 1:03 pm

Quote (GalaxyClass14 @ June 22 2010, 12:16 pm)

always always
enjoy watching connor play trip.
but that scene
o.m.g.

...is as it was as brilliant an acting job
as ever i have seen.

ditto. Trinneer has the ability to make ME cry when HE cries--not easy to do. He "gets it right", as far as actors go.

Quote
such a mind blowing alliance of diversity
that not only rocks their universe

it rocks mine!


I don't think everyone fully appreciates the coolness of how the NX-01 accomplished this in a few short years! But some of us do, and lament that it wasn't even MORE a part of the stories. But Season 4 was headed in the right direction...

sonofspock1

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Report this Jun. 22 2010, 3:53 pm

I was due to watch The Pegasus tonight. Til the (ahem)ing disc BROKE!

:angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

sonofspock1

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Report this Jun. 22 2010, 3:58 pm

Quote (Yanks @ June 22 2010, 8:54 pm)
Quote (sonofspock1 @ June 22 2010, 3:53 pm)
I was due to watch [I]The Pegasus[/I tonight. Til the (ahem)ing disc BROKE!

:angry: :angry:

"BROKE" :question:

Oh the bloody disc is faulty. Halfway through Inheritance and "unable to read disc" appears on the screen. I tried it on the computer and another DVD player, and it proved equally as useless.

And I was almost finished Next Gen too! :(

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Report this Jun. 22 2010, 4:13 pm

Quote (Yanks @ June 22 2010, 9:02 pm)
Quote (sonofspock1 @ June 22 2010, 3:58 pm)
Quote (Yanks @ June 22 2010, 8:54 pm)
Quote (sonofspock1 @ June 22 2010, 3:53 pm)
I was due to watch The Pegasus[/I tonight. Til the (ahem)ing disc BROKE!

:angry: :angry:

"BROKE" :question:

Oh the bloody disc is faulty. Halfway through [i]Inheritance and "unable to read disc" appears on the screen. I tried it on the computer and another DVD player, and it proved equally as useless.

And I was almost finished Next Gen too! :(

You can use disk cleaner or water and Windex to clean it. It has worked for me.

I'll give it a shot! :D

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Report this Jun. 22 2010, 4:53 pm

Quote (sonofspock1 @ June 22 2010, 4:13 pm)
Quote (Yanks @ June 22 2010, 9:02 pm)
Quote (sonofspock1 @ June 22 2010, 3:58 pm)
Quote (Yanks @ June 22 2010, 8:54 pm)
Quote (sonofspock1 @ June 22 2010, 3:53 pm)
I was due to watch The Pegasus[/I tonight. Til the (ahem)ing disc BROKE!

:angry: :angry:

"BROKE" :question:

Oh the bloody disc is faulty. Halfway through [i]Inheritance and "unable to read disc" appears on the screen. I tried it on the computer and another DVD player, and it proved equally as useless.

And I was almost finished Next Gen too! :(

You can use disk cleaner or water and Windex to clean it. It has worked for me.

I'll give it a shot! :D

The same thing happened to me on the last disc of s4. When I try to watch TATV(which I rarely do), it scratches up. How convenient. ;)

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Report this Jun. 22 2010, 5:10 pm

Quote (Enterprise19 @ June 22 2010, 9:53 pm)
Quote (sonofspock1 @ June 22 2010, 4:13 pm)
Quote (Yanks @ June 22 2010, 9:02 pm)
Quote (sonofspock1 @ June 22 2010, 3:58 pm)
Quote (Yanks @ June 22 2010, 8:54 pm)
Quote (sonofspock1 @ June 22 2010, 3:53 pm)
I was due to watch The Pegasus[/I tonight. Til the (ahem)ing disc BROKE!


"BROKE"

Oh the bloody disc is faulty. Halfway through [i]Inheritance and "unable to read disc" appears on the screen. I tried it on the computer and another DVD player, and it proved equally as useless.

And I was almost finished Next Gen too!

You can use disk cleaner or water and Windex to clean it. It has worked for me.

I'll give it a shot!

The same thing happened to me on the last disc of s4. When I try to watch TATV(which I rarely do), it scratches up. How convenient. ;)

The same thing happens to my TATV disc! It won;t play some of the DVD Easter Eggs either. :(

Enterprise19

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Report this Jun. 22 2010, 5:16 pm

Quote (sonofspock1 @ June 22 2010, 5:10 pm)
Quote (Enterprise19 @ June 22 2010, 9:53 pm)
Quote (sonofspock1 @ June 22 2010, 4:13 pm)
Quote (Yanks @ June 22 2010, 9:02 pm)
Quote (sonofspock1 @ June 22 2010, 3:58 pm)
Quote (Yanks @ June 22 2010, 8:54 pm)
Quote (sonofspock1 @ June 22 2010, 3:53 pm)
I was due to watch The Pegasus[/I tonight. Til the (ahem)ing disc BROKE!


"BROKE"

Oh the bloody disc is faulty. Halfway through [i]Inheritance and "unable to read disc" appears on the screen. I tried it on the computer and another DVD player, and it proved equally as useless.

And I was almost finished Next Gen too!

You can use disk cleaner or water and Windex to clean it. It has worked for me.

I'll give it a shot!

The same thing happened to me on the last disc of s4. When I try to watch TATV(which I rarely do), it scratches up. How convenient. ;)

The same thing happens to my TATV disc! It won;t play some of the DVD Easter Eggs either. :(

Maybe all of them do that after you watch it a couple of times like some kind of trick to delete the worst episode? :D

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Report this Jun. 22 2010, 5:22 pm

Quote (GalaxyClass14 @ June 22 2010, 12:16 pm)
and i don't know if you know
acting or actors,
but a death scene,
at the end of the show,
if you're a beloved character,
is one of the most desirous
roles and actor can have.

i think connor fit the slot perfectly.
beloved character
end of show
death scene
actor's dream

and connor gets to top it off
with thousands of fans
in an absolute uproar
about your death,
well let's say

forever

and baby, you have made history.
and you got to wink
just before you died?

A well thought out post, but I have to disagree with this. From what I've read/seen of Connor's comments about this episode, I don't think he was happy about Trip dying at all.

GalaxyClass14

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Report this Jun. 22 2010, 7:29 pm

thanks, yanks

Quote (Yanks @ June 21 2010, 5:27 pm)
I can not side with you on the "Part 2" thing though. Just can't do it.
understood

Quote (Yanks @ June 21 2010, 5:27 pm)
But, the circumstances by which his death occurred are unforgivable. B&B spent about 5 minutes coming up with an ending to a 40+ year franchise. That in itself is unforgivable.
understood

Quote (Yanks @ June 21 2010, 5:27 pm)
I'll just leave it at that, if you want my review I'll PM it to you. If other folks want to see it again, I'll post it here again.
looking forward to receiving it.
pm it at your earliest convience.

GalaxyClass14

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Report this Jun. 22 2010, 7:34 pm

Quote (whyaduck @ June 21 2010, 6:22 pm)
A well thought out post, but I have to disagree with this.
understood
accepted

Quote (whyaduck @ June 21 2010, 6:22 pm)
From what I've read/seen of Connor's comments about this episode, I don't think he was happy about Trip dying at all.
well.
rats.

Phlox01

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Report this Jun. 22 2010, 7:51 pm

I did like Terra Prime/Demons a lot better than TATV, but just to vent on one thing that bothered me.  In the 22nd century, are slings really still that big?!?  I felt bad for the charactrer of Trip, 'coz he looked a little silly wearing one of the biggest slings/cast/bandages I ever saw.

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Report this Jun. 22 2010, 7:57 pm

Quote (Phlox01 @ June 22 2010, 7:51 pm)
I did like Terra Prime/Demons a lot better than TATV, but just to vent on one thing that bothered me. ¿In the 22nd century, are slings really still that big?!? ¿I felt bad for the charactrer of Trip, 'coz he looked a little silly wearing one of the biggest slings/cast/bandages I ever saw.

I don't think they invented the technology to quickly heal broken bones yet, because Phlox said Malcolm's leg would take two weeks to heal, but then that space station fixed it, so Trip was probably fine in a couple of days.

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