Star Trek

Quote (VAD_BAXTER @ June 17 2010, 4:46 pm)

I don't love nor hate this TREK movie. I just think it's an average TREK movie at best. With that said WE all know that the people who say TREKXI haters are off their rocker or crazy is because of certain members here who have gone 1000% crazy with their hatred of this movie. Unfortunately, it is those select few that gives everyone who dislikes TREKXI a bad name.

QFT.


Well said Bax.

Oh look people have started voting for the crazy options

I wonder if they will post why they think you're crazy if you don't like the movie...

I do not view the OPINION as "crazy" or "derranged." I DO find the fanatical negative obsession with film that some people have to be somewhat crazy, though. I find some fans' inability to "let it go" to be a bit crazy. I find the attitude of some fans that it is "not REAL Star Trek" and "it is idiot food for the drooling masses" to be crazy and delusional since essentially they are calling everyone else an aimless moron and proclaiming that they alone have some kind of magical insight into what Star Trek is really all about.

It's not the OPINION ITSELF that I find crazy. Anyone can like or dislike a movie! It's a matter of personal tastes, perceptions, values, etc. For example, I dislike one of the most popular Star Trek movies ever (TVH). What I DO find crazy (and will challenge every single time) is that some people create a weird personal "alternate reality" of their own to justify their opinion and make themselves feel better about everything.

So, personally....YEAH, I find that kind of behavior a bit "off."

Quote (Tin_Man @ June 17 2010, 6:32 pm)

Oh look people have started voting for the crazy options I wonder if they will post why they think you're crazy if you don't like the movie...

Ok I'll put my hands up to that, I think everyones cream crackers, and that's got feck all to do with the movie, lol.  

Meh ST 11 was interesting but it just didn't fit with the rest  of the St universe. or science. (Really J.J., a super nova threatening an entire galaxy, Spock being late.)

Quote (SSFPhoenix @ June 17 2010, 9:46 pm)

Meh ST 11 was interesting but it just didn't fit with the rest ?of the St universe. or science. (Really J.J., a super nova threatening an entire galaxy, Spock being late.)

Well technically it did threaten the Galaxy, because if the Entire Romulan Empire had to relocate then everyone was under threat of war. ¿

True but still.... the galaxy being in danger due to the super nova didn't really make sense. Spock being to late to save Romulus was just a little weird. Can anyone think of a time Spock was late to anything because he woke up late?

Quote (Vger23 @ June 17 2010, 5:06 pm)

I do not view the OPINION as "crazy" or "derranged." I DO find the fanatical negative obsession with film that some people have to be somewhat crazy, though. I find some fans' inability to "let it go" to be a bit crazy. I find the attitude of some fans that it is ?"not REAL Star Trek" and "it is idiot food for the drooling masses"to be crazy and delusional since essentially they are calling everyone else an aimless moron and proclaiming that they alone have some kind of magical insight into what Star Trek is really all about. It's not the OPINION ITSELF that I find crazy. Anyone can like or dislike a movie! It's a matter of personal tastes, perceptions, values, etc. For example, I dislike one of the most popular Star Trek movies ever (TVH). What I DO find crazy (and will challenge every single time) is that some people create a weird personal "alternate reality" of their own to justify their opinion and make themselves feel better about everything. So, personally....YEAH, I find that kind of behavior a bit "off."

But do you also find some people fanatical obsession Loving the movie to also be some what crazy?

And of course you are welcome to your opinion that anyone who finds that the movie is in fact (in their opinion) "not REAL Star Trek" and "it is idiot food for the drooling masses" a bit off

However just because myself and of course a minority of others may feel that, does not mean we think anyone who likes it is a drooling moron.

An old co worker and I saw the movie together in the theatre for the first time shortly after it was released.

I utterly hate this movie he on the other hand loves it and agreed with every positive thing the critics said about it.
He even went out and bought it not long after it came out too.

Now he is a friend of mine and he happens to have almost the same eduacation I have. (same college diploma different grad certificates) ande we both work in the same media doing similar things.
But I'm sorry just because he loved the movie and I hated DOES NOT MEAN that I think he is a "drooling moron".

What I know he is, is a guy who likes a good action flick
which is what I am as well.

Plus there are a couple of posters on here who like the movie and I get along with them just fine. I may disagree with them on this one topic but again I don't think they are morons.

Also since I hold this opinion of hate for the film I do not go around as you say proclaiming that I alone have some kind of magical insight into what Star Trek is really all about.

I will however (and it's completly in my right and anyone elses) To say what I would have done differently with the franchise and what I feel would have been a better direction for it or even a better way to have done a reboot.

That also does not automatically mean the following:

That I wanted yet another TNG film or VOY DS9 or ENT. Or that I want Berman & Bragga back. Which all seems to be the assumtion of many here who get into it with us the anti movie people.

That all being said I agree that anyone who does act and feel the way you describe is a bit off.
I just feel that is true of people who both love and hate the movie to the extremes you outlined.

I am just really tired of all the asumptions around here that are directed towards anyone who did not like the movie.

Quote (SSFPhoenix @ June 18 2010, 4:46 pm)

Meh ST 11 was interesting but it just didn't fit with the rest ¿of the St universe. or science. (Really J.J., a super nova threatening an entire galaxy, Spock being late.)

They have made up stuff like that in every movie.  That's not unique to ST XI.  

As an aerospace engineer, I see plenty of things wrong with the science of ST, but, y'know, I think you just have to sit back and enjoy it for what it is.  It ain't hard sci-fi.

Quote (rocketscientist @ June 17 2010, 9:49 pm)

Quote (SSFPhoenix @ June 18 2010, 4:46 pm) Meh ST 11 was interesting but it just didn't fit with the rest ?of the St universe. or science. (Really J.J., a super nova threatening an entire galaxy, Spock being late.) They have made up stuff like that in every movie. ¿That's not unique to ST XI. ¿ As an aerospace engineer, I see plenty of things wrong with the science of ST, but, y'know, I think you just have to sit back and enjoy it for what it is. ¿It ain't hard sci-fi.

Do you feel it use to be hard sci fi but went off the rails as time went on?

Quote (SSFPhoenix @ June 18 2010, 4:46 pm)

Meh ST 11 was interesting but it just didn't fit with the rest ¿of the St universe. or science. (Really J.J., a super nova threatening an entire galaxy, Spock being late.)

spock in the new movie would be 157 years old. that's like an 80 year old man today.  He's not as quick or sharp as spock use to be in the 23rd century.

Quote (Tin_Man @ June 18 2010, 6:54 am)

So if you dislike or hate the Trek 09 movie, Apparently you are some how deranged?

Really? Because from what I've been hearing from most of the haters, you're deranged if you do like it.

I voted for 'it's okay to dislike or hate the movie, they're probably okay'

Unless you're talkining about my dad...

Quote (Tin_Man @ June 18 2010, 8:53 pm)

Quote (rocketscientist @ June 17 2010, 9:49 pm) Quote (SSFPhoenix @ June 18 2010, 4:46 pm) Meh ST 11 was interesting but it just didn't fit with the rest ?of the St universe. or science. (Really J.J., a super nova threatening an entire galaxy, Spock being late.) They have made up stuff like that in every movie. ?That's not unique to ST XI. ? As an aerospace engineer, I see plenty of things wrong with the science of ST, but, y'know, I think you just have to sit back and enjoy it for what it is. ?It ain't hard sci-fi. Do you feel it use to be hard sci fi but went off the rails as time went on?

No, I'd never call ST hard sf.  

That said, I do think the technobabble/magical science increased from TNG to VOY.  I think that's largely because the original show didn't have the sfx technology or the A/B plot structure of TNG and VOY (I can't comment on ENT, I didn't see enough of it).  In the original show, they had to rely a bit more on character drama, action, etc.

But, no, I don't think I'd ever call ST hard sf.  I think TMP may have come closest to hard sf.

Quote (Invader_Wishfire @ June 18 2010, 7:05 am)

Quote (Tin_Man @ June 18 2010, 6:54 am) So if you dislike or hate the Trek 09 movie, Apparently you are some how deranged? Really? Because from what I've been hearing from most of the haters, you're deranged if you do like it.

Sure, some people from the hater side have said that.

But as I said since there are WAY more people who like the movie, I believe the anti movie people have had a much harder time of it simply because we are so heavily outnumbered.

Majority rules around these parts.

I have found the pro movie side is far quicker by enlarge to label you as a geek or a purist or whatever at the slightest mention that you don't like the movie in anyway.