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So if you dislike or hate the Trek 09 movie

Tin_Man

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Report this Jun. 18 2010, 9:54 am

Just looking for a general feeling from the people here on this issue. This is something I have run into on this web site.

People who are not fans of Star Trek 2009 movie at least here on this site have by a vocal group of members been defined as "if not completely crazy but some how un stable members of society." I.E. Nerds, Trek Purists and or people that just don't have a firm grip on reality.

So is it true, if you don't like the new movie even if you rate it as not a good flick THEN you are some how off your rocker????
And if you totally hate/dislike this movie then you are in serous need of professional help.

Or is it okay to not like this movie and still be eligable to be defined as a normal member of society.

What say you?

tribblenator999

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Report this Jun. 18 2010, 10:37 am

well there's no answer to this. Its all about your tastes.  If you are just stuck to roddenberry/berman trek only that's fine. if you like the new movie only and dislike the old trek that's fine. If you like both that's fine. I like roddenberry trek/berman trek and the new trek. Even though the new trek has some plots that didn't quite make sense like kirk being captain right after the academy when spock should be captain while kirk should be his #1 at least for a few years. Since it's a alternate timeline things could change right.

DammitJim6200

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Report this Jun. 18 2010, 11:29 am

Quote (Tin_Man @ June 17 2010, 10:54 am)
Just looking for a general feeling from the people here on this issue. This is something I have run into on this web site.

People who are not fans of Star Trek 2009 movie at least here on this site have by a vocal group of members been defined as "if not completely crazy but some how un stable members of society." I.E. Nerds, Trek Purists and or people that just don't have a firm grip on reality.

So is it true, if you don't like the new movie even if you rate it as not a good flick THEN you are some how off your rocker????
And if you totally hate/dislike this movie then you are in serous need of professional help.

Or is it okay to not like this movie and still be eligable to be defined as a normal member of society.

What say you?

I couldn't give a hill of beans what a few loons think about me when I say the new Trek movie sucks CAUSE IT DOES and I am highly intelligent........Because you know what ? it does suck JJ Abrams desroyed Star Trek

                   STAR TREK 1964-2009
                            rest in peace.

Tin_Man

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Report this Jun. 18 2010, 11:39 am

Personally I think deranged people can love or hate any movie.
Personal prefference is where it is at.

Obvously the movie made a lot of money and the general movie going public liked it enough to make it the 127th out of 403 highest grossing films of all time (at least by the count on this site.)
http://www.imdb.com/boxoffice/alltimegross?region=world-wide

Well now IF some people would like to play "the numbers game" as justification of just how awesome this movie is then that means (by these numbers and leaving out inflation) The Body Guard is a bit better of a movie then Star Trek 09 and Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Squeakquel has a commanding lead in $$$ over Trek 09 and thus is a very noticeably better movie (Same with Pearl Harbour).

2012 is over twice the movie Star Trek is.

Oh and Alice in Wonderland is over twice as good as Trek 09, Titanic is almost 5 times a better movie than Trek 09 and Avatar over 7 times better than Star Trek 09

On the other hand Star Trek 09 is better to WAY better than in no particular order by the numbers: ?Batman Begins, The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, ?The Departed, The Green Mile, American Gangster and District 9 to name a few.

Some pro movie people have rammed down our throats the fact that Trek 09 has made so much money as PROOF of just how awesome it is. Okay well if that is the big measure of how good a movie is then I guess we should all be watching the Chipmunks movie and liking it, otherwise we should all be commited :laugh:

DammitJim6200

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Report this Jun. 18 2010, 11:46 am

Quote (Tin_Man @ June 17 2010, 12:39 pm)
Personally I think deranged people can love or hate any movie.
Personal prefference is where it is at.

Obvously the movie made a lot of money and the general movie going public liked it enough to make it the 127th out of 403 highest grossing films of all time (at least by the count on this site.)
http://www.imdb.com/boxoffice/alltimegross?region=world-wide

Well now IF some people would like to play "the numbers game" as justification of just how awesome this movie is then that means (by these numbers and leaving out inflation) The Body Guard is a bit better of a movie then Star Trek 09 and Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Squeakquel has a commanding lead in $$$ over Trek 09 and thus is a very noticeably better movie (Same with Pearl Harbour).

2012 is over twice the movie Star Trek is.

Oh and Alice in Wonderland is over twice as good as Trek 09, Titanic is almost 5 times a better movie than Trek 09 and Avatar over 7 times better than Star Trek 09

On the other hand Star Trek 09 is better to WAY better than in no particular order by the numbers: ?Batman Begins, The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, ?The Departed, The Green Mile, American Gangster and District 9 to name a few.

Some pro movie people have rammed down our throats the fact that Trek 09 has made so much money as PROOF of just how awesome it is. Okay well if that is the big measure of how good a movie is then I guess we should all be watching the Chipmunks movie and liking it, otherwise we should all be commited :laugh:

No tin man, it wasn't rammed  down our throats the movie was committed, like a crime, a crime against all good movies.

Tin_Man

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Report this Jun. 18 2010, 11:50 am

Quote (VAD_BAXTER @ June 17 2010, 12:46 pm)
I don't love nor hate this TREK movie. I just think it's an average TREK movie at best.

With that said WE all know that the people who say TREKXI haters are off their rocker or crazy is because of certain members here who have gone 1000% crazy with their hatred of this movie. Unfortunately, it is those select few that gives everyone who dislikes TREKXI a bad name.

Sure but there is crazy's on both sides of the movie fense.

But since as the numbers show the crazy's who like the movie outnumber those that don't. Then the "crazy's" that don't get the bad name because there isn't as many.

DammitJim6200

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Report this Jun. 18 2010, 11:51 am

Quote (VAD_BAXTER @ June 17 2010, 12:48 pm)
Quote (DammitJim6200 @ June 18 2010, 8:46 am)
Quote (Tin_Man @ June 17 2010, 12:39 pm)
Personally I think deranged people can love or hate any movie.
Personal prefference is where it is at.

Obvously the movie made a lot of money and the general movie going public liked it enough to make it the 127th out of 403 highest grossing films of all time (at least by the count on this site.)
http://www.imdb.com/boxoffice/alltimegross?region=world-wide

Well now IF some people would like to play "the numbers game" as justification of just how awesome this movie is then that means (by these numbers and leaving out inflation) The Body Guard is a bit better of a movie then Star Trek 09 and Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Squeakquel has a commanding lead in $$$ over Trek 09 and thus is a very noticeably better movie (Same with Pearl Harbour).

2012 is over twice the movie Star Trek is.

Oh and Alice in Wonderland is over twice as good as Trek 09, Titanic is almost 5 times a better movie than Trek 09 and Avatar over 7 times better than Star Trek 09

On the other hand Star Trek 09 is better to WAY better than in no particular order by the numbers: ?Batman Begins, The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, ?The Departed, The Green Mile, American Gangster and District 9 to name a few.

Some pro movie people have rammed down our throats the fact that Trek 09 has made so much money as PROOF of just how awesome it is. Okay well if that is the big measure of how good a movie is then I guess we should all be watching the Chipmunks movie and liking it, otherwise we should all be commited :laugh:

No tin man, it wasn't rammed ?down our throats the movie was committed, like a crime, a crime against all good movies.

And people wonder why haters of TREK XI are considered crazy.

It's because of immature posters like DJ.

Be careful whom you call immature mister, you're not exactly all there yourself.

rocketscientist

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Report this Jun. 18 2010, 11:52 am

Tin_Man, I don't think the people who dislike ST XI are necessarily deranged, mentally handicapped, emotionally unbalanced etc.

That said, there are a few very vocal detractors of ST XI who I do not think have it all together, so to speak.  One of them argued against the occurrence of the Apollo moon landings.  Another was an admitted religious bigot who regarded "Star Trek" as something that was more than a hobby and less than a religion.  

But, y'know, there are probably a few proponents of ST XI who are in the same boat.

IMO, everyone should be given the same respect they've shown others.  That's always been my rule.  The only people I have a problem with are the ones I've described, and I largely ignore both of these individuals now, as well as others.

So, sorry if you feel persecuted.  I don't think it's fair at all, as you strike me as good, well spoken, poster.

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Report this Jun. 18 2010, 11:56 am

Quote (DammitJim6200 @ June 18 2010, 11:51 am)
Quote (VAD_BAXTER @ June 17 2010, 12:48 pm)
Quote (DammitJim6200 @ June 18 2010, 8:46 am)
Quote (Tin_Man @ June 17 2010, 12:39 pm)
Personally I think deranged people can love or hate any movie.
Personal prefference is where it is at.

Obvously the movie made a lot of money and the general movie going public liked it enough to make it the 127th out of 403 highest grossing films of all time (at least by the count on this site.)
http://www.imdb.com/boxoffice/alltimegross?region=world-wide

Well now IF some people would like to play "the numbers game" as justification of just how awesome this movie is then that means (by these numbers and leaving out inflation) The Body Guard is a bit better of a movie then Star Trek 09 and Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Squeakquel has a commanding lead in $$$ over Trek 09 and thus is a very noticeably better movie (Same with Pearl Harbour).

2012 is over twice the movie Star Trek is.

Oh and Alice in Wonderland is over twice as good as Trek 09, Titanic is almost 5 times a better movie than Trek 09 and Avatar over 7 times better than Star Trek 09

On the other hand Star Trek 09 is better to WAY better than in no particular order by the numbers: ?Batman Begins, The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, ?The Departed, The Green Mile, American Gangster and District 9 to name a few.

Some pro movie people have rammed down our throats the fact that Trek 09 has made so much money as PROOF of just how awesome it is. Okay well if that is the big measure of how good a movie is then I guess we should all be watching the Chipmunks movie and liking it, otherwise we should all be commited :laugh:

No tin man, it wasn't rammed ?down our throats the movie was committed, like a crime, a crime against all good movies.

And people wonder why haters of TREK XI are considered crazy.

It's because of immature posters like DJ.

Be careful whom you call immature mister, you're not exactly all there yourself.

I consider VAB extremely intelligent (the man has a PhD) and mature.

DammitJim6200

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Report this Jun. 18 2010, 11:59 am

Quote (VAD_BAXTER @ June 17 2010, 12:57 pm)
Quote (DammitJim6200 @ June 18 2010, 8:51 am)
Quote (VAD_BAXTER @ June 17 2010, 12:48 pm)
Quote (DammitJim6200 @ June 18 2010, 8:46 am)
Quote (Tin_Man @ June 17 2010, 12:39 pm)
Personally I think deranged people can love or hate any movie.
Personal prefference is where it is at.

Obvously the movie made a lot of money and the general movie going public liked it enough to make it the 127th out of 403 highest grossing films of all time (at least by the count on this site.)
http://www.imdb.com/boxoffice/alltimegross?region=world-wide

Well now IF some people would like to play "the numbers game" as justification of just how awesome this movie is then that means (by these numbers and leaving out inflation) The Body Guard is a bit better of a movie then Star Trek 09 and Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Squeakquel has a commanding lead in $$$ over Trek 09 and thus is a very noticeably better movie (Same with Pearl Harbour).

2012 is over twice the movie Star Trek is.

Oh and Alice in Wonderland is over twice as good as Trek 09, Titanic is almost 5 times a better movie than Trek 09 and Avatar over 7 times better than Star Trek 09

On the other hand Star Trek 09 is better to WAY better than in no particular order by the numbers: ?Batman Begins, The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, ?The Departed, The Green Mile, American Gangster and District 9 to name a few.

Some pro movie people have rammed down our throats the fact that Trek 09 has made so much money as PROOF of just how awesome it is. Okay well if that is the big measure of how good a movie is then I guess we should all be watching the Chipmunks movie and liking it, otherwise we should all be commited :laugh:

No tin man, it wasn't rammed ?down our throats the movie was committed, like a crime, a crime against all good movies.

And people wonder why haters of TREK XI are considered crazy.

It's because of immature posters like DJ.

Be careful whom you call immature mister, you're not exactly all there yourself.

LOL ¿No individual is truly all there since the Earth is constantly moving. Not to mention the very atoms we are made of are in a constant state of flux.

So the real question is:

Is anyone truly here since we are always moving? ¿:p ¿:laugh:

:laugh: Yeah and you actually believed it.

Tin_Man

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Report this Jun. 18 2010, 12:01 pm

Quote (rocketscientist @ June 17 2010, 12:52 pm)
Tin_Man, I don't think the people who dislike ST XI are necessarily deranged, mentally handicapped, emotionally unbalanced etc.

That said, there are a few very vocal detractors of ST XI who I do not think have it all together, so to speak. ¿One of them argued against the occurrence of the Apollo moon landings. ¿Another was an admitted religious bigot who regarded "Star Trek" as something that was more than a hobby and less than a religion. ¿

But, y'know, there are probably a few proponents of ST XI who are in the same boat.

IMO, everyone should be given the same respect they've shown others. ¿That's always been my rule. ¿The only people I have a problem with are the ones I've described, and I largely ignore both of these individuals now, as well as others.

So, sorry if you feel persecuted. ¿I don't think it's fair at all, as you strike me as good, well spoken, poster.

Thank you :cool:


Admittedly I essentially freaked on here the day the concept for the movie was announced WAY back. And as more and more came out about the movie I got more aggitated thus I got into it with the extremists from the other end of the issue.

But lately when I come to this site I've been more about other topics beside the movie.

When I get into Trek 09 movie discussions it more about justification for the portions of us that really didn't like the movie and less about the "you suck because you like the movie" end of things.


I just take offence to the opinion that is floating around here that if you don't like any part of the movie then your retarded some how.

rocketscientist

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Report this Jun. 18 2010, 12:09 pm

Quote (VAD_BAXTER @ June 18 2010, 11:57 am)
Quote (DammitJim6200 @ June 18 2010, 8:51 am)
Quote (VAD_BAXTER @ June 17 2010, 12:48 pm)
Quote (DammitJim6200 @ June 18 2010, 8:46 am)
Quote (Tin_Man @ June 17 2010, 12:39 pm)
Personally I think deranged people can love or hate any movie.
Personal prefference is where it is at.

Obvously the movie made a lot of money and the general movie going public liked it enough to make it the 127th out of 403 highest grossing films of all time (at least by the count on this site.)
http://www.imdb.com/boxoffice/alltimegross?region=world-wide

Well now IF some people would like to play "the numbers game" as justification of just how awesome this movie is then that means (by these numbers and leaving out inflation) The Body Guard is a bit better of a movie then Star Trek 09 and Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Squeakquel has a commanding lead in $$$ over Trek 09 and thus is a very noticeably better movie (Same with Pearl Harbour).

2012 is over twice the movie Star Trek is.

Oh and Alice in Wonderland is over twice as good as Trek 09, Titanic is almost 5 times a better movie than Trek 09 and Avatar over 7 times better than Star Trek 09

On the other hand Star Trek 09 is better to WAY better than in no particular order by the numbers: ?Batman Begins, The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, ?The Departed, The Green Mile, American Gangster and District 9 to name a few.

Some pro movie people have rammed down our throats the fact that Trek 09 has made so much money as PROOF of just how awesome it is. Okay well if that is the big measure of how good a movie is then I guess we should all be watching the Chipmunks movie and liking it, otherwise we should all be commited :laugh:

No tin man, it wasn't rammed ?down our throats the movie was committed, like a crime, a crime against all good movies.

And people wonder why haters of TREK XI are considered crazy.

It's because of immature posters like DJ.

Be careful whom you call immature mister, you're not exactly all there yourself.

LOL ¿No individual is truly all there since the Earth is constantly moving. Not to mention the very atoms we are made of are in a constant state of flux.

So the real question is:

Is anyone truly here since we are always moving? ¿:p ¿:laugh:

That reminds me of something I read on one of the movie threads.  Some poster was maintaining that gravity doesn't exist in space.

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Report this Jun. 18 2010, 12:19 pm

Quote (Tin_Man @ June 18 2010, 12:01 pm)
Quote (rocketscientist @ June 17 2010, 12:52 pm)
Tin_Man, I don't think the people who dislike ST XI are necessarily deranged, mentally handicapped, emotionally unbalanced etc.

That said, there are a few very vocal detractors of ST XI who I do not think have it all together, so to speak. ?One of them argued against the occurrence of the Apollo moon landings. ?Another was an admitted religious bigot who regarded "Star Trek" as something that was more than a hobby and less than a religion. ?

But, y'know, there are probably a few proponents of ST XI who are in the same boat.

IMO, everyone should be given the same respect they've shown others. ?That's always been my rule. ?The only people I have a problem with are the ones I've described, and I largely ignore both of these individuals now, as well as others.

So, sorry if you feel persecuted. ?I don't think it's fair at all, as you strike me as good, well spoken, poster.

Thank you :cool:

No worries.

Quote

But lately when I come to this site I've been more about other topics beside the movie.

When I get into Trek 09 movie discussions it more about justification for the portions of us that really didn't like the movie and less about the "you suck because you like the movie" end of things.

I just take offence to the opinion that is floating around here that if you don't like any part of the movie then your retarded some how.


Y'know, the best thing you can do is to just ignore those sorts of people, the ones who are popping off about your mental state because of your like or dislike of a film. ¿I mean, that's clearly a ridiculous and laugable criteria to judge a person's mental state. ¿Any psychologist would see it for what it is: ¿an attempt to provoke and demean others, albeit one based on a very silly criteria. ¿So just ignore them. ¿People like that aren't worthy of your attention and it serves no purpose to interact with them. ¿You're just giving them the attention they crave, because they aren't getting enough in life (probably because they don't have girlfriends, they're insecure, etc.).

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Report this Jun. 18 2010, 12:19 pm

Quote (VAD_BAXTER @ June 18 2010, 12:13 pm)
Quote (rocketscientist @ June 18 2010, 9:09 am)
Quote (VAD_BAXTER @ June 18 2010, 11:57 am)
Quote (DammitJim6200 @ June 18 2010, 8:51 am)
Quote (VAD_BAXTER @ June 17 2010, 12:48 pm)
Quote (DammitJim6200 @ June 18 2010, 8:46 am)
Quote (Tin_Man @ June 17 2010, 12:39 pm)
Personally I think deranged people can love or hate any movie.
Personal prefference is where it is at.

Obvously the movie made a lot of money and the general movie going public liked it enough to make it the 127th out of 403 highest grossing films of all time (at least by the count on this site.)
http://www.imdb.com/boxoffice/alltimegross?region=world-wide

Well now IF some people would like to play "the numbers game" as justification of just how awesome this movie is then that means (by these numbers and leaving out inflation) The Body Guard is a bit better of a movie then Star Trek 09 and Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Squeakquel has a commanding lead in $$$ over Trek 09 and thus is a very noticeably better movie (Same with Pearl Harbour).

2012 is over twice the movie Star Trek is.

Oh and Alice in Wonderland is over twice as good as Trek 09, Titanic is almost 5 times a better movie than Trek 09 and Avatar over 7 times better than Star Trek 09

On the other hand Star Trek 09 is better to WAY better than in no particular order by the numbers: ?Batman Begins, The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, ?The Departed, The Green Mile, American Gangster and District 9 to name a few.

Some pro movie people have rammed down our throats the fact that Trek 09 has made so much money as PROOF of just how awesome it is. Okay well if that is the big measure of how good a movie is then I guess we should all be watching the Chipmunks movie and liking it, otherwise we should all be commited :laugh:

No tin man, it wasn't rammed ?down our throats the movie was committed, like a crime, a crime against all good movies.

And people wonder why haters of TREK XI are considered crazy.

It's because of immature posters like DJ.

Be careful whom you call immature mister, you're not exactly all there yourself.

LOL ?No individual is truly all there since the Earth is constantly moving. Not to mention the very atoms we are made of are in a constant state of flux.

So the real question is:

Is anyone truly here since we are always moving? ?:p ?:laugh:

That reminds me of something I read on one of the movie threads. ?Some poster was maintaining that gravity doesn't exist in space.

Yes among other things. They were also saying an explosion would be more powerful in a vacuum than an atmosphere because the sound from a shockwave can travel further in a vacuum........

Was that the same poster? ¿That sounds like something they would say.

Sounds like this guy doesn't know anything about compressible flow, the space environment, or even highschool science.

You'd think, at the very least, they'd have picked up just a little bit of science from watching TNG.

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Report this Jun. 18 2010, 1:15 pm

Quote (rocketscientist @ June 17 2010, 5:19 pm)
Quote (VAD_BAXTER @ June 18 2010, 12:13 pm)
Quote (rocketscientist @ June 18 2010, 9:09 am)
Quote (VAD_BAXTER @ June 18 2010, 11:57 am)
Quote (DammitJim6200 @ June 18 2010, 8:51 am)
Quote (VAD_BAXTER @ June 17 2010, 12:48 pm)
Quote (DammitJim6200 @ June 18 2010, 8:46 am)
Quote (Tin_Man @ June 17 2010, 12:39 pm)
Personally I think deranged people can love or hate any movie.
Personal prefference is where it is at.

Obvously the movie made a lot of money and the general movie going public liked it enough to make it the 127th out of 403 highest grossing films of all time (at least by the count on this site.)
http://www.imdb.com/boxoffice/alltimegross?region=world-wide

Well now IF some people would like to play "the numbers game" as justification of just how awesome this movie is then that means (by these numbers and leaving out inflation) The Body Guard is a bit better of a movie then Star Trek 09 and Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Squeakquel has a commanding lead in $$$ over Trek 09 and thus is a very noticeably better movie (Same with Pearl Harbour).

2012 is over twice the movie Star Trek is.

Oh and Alice in Wonderland is over twice as good as Trek 09, Titanic is almost 5 times a better movie than Trek 09 and Avatar over 7 times better than Star Trek 09

On the other hand Star Trek 09 is better to WAY better than in no particular order by the numbers: ?Batman Begins, The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, ?The Departed, The Green Mile, American Gangster and District 9 to name a few.

Some pro movie people have rammed down our throats the fact that Trek 09 has made so much money as PROOF of just how awesome it is. Okay well if that is the big measure of how good a movie is then I guess we should all be watching the Chipmunks movie and liking it, otherwise we should all be commited :laugh:

No tin man, it wasn't rammed ?down our throats the movie was committed, like a crime, a crime against all good movies.

And people wonder why haters of TREK XI are considered crazy.

It's because of immature posters like DJ.

Be careful whom you call immature mister, you're not exactly all there yourself.

LOL ?No individual is truly all there since the Earth is constantly moving. Not to mention the very atoms we are made of are in a constant state of flux.

So the real question is:

Is anyone truly here since we are always moving? ?:p ?:laugh:

That reminds me of something I read on one of the movie threads. ?Some poster was maintaining that gravity doesn't exist in space.

Yes among other things. They were also saying an explosion would be more powerful in a vacuum than an atmosphere because the sound from a shockwave can travel further in a vacuum........

Was that the same poster? ?That sounds like something they would say.

Sounds like this guy doesn't know anything about compressible flow, the space environment, or even highschool science.

You'd think, at the very least, they'd have picked up just a little bit of science from watching TNG.

Lol, sounds like something Dryson would spout.  ;)

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