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why did Picard place rocks on kirk's corpse?

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Report this Feb. 01 2011, 5:24 pm

Quote: toranaprem @ Feb. 01 2011, 3:59 pm

Assuming that Picard intended to leave the body on Veridian III permanently, he did it for two reasons: 1) Everyone thought Kirk died a very long time ago. 2) Everyone who would have cared to know what really happened was long dead. EXCEPT SPOCK. I think Picard eventually had to find the balls to tell Spock, who probably contemplated beating Jean Luc to death for about a minute, then went to Veridian III to retrieve the body and give it a proper ceremony/burial. When the time is right Spock is totally going to enter the Nexus, Kirk will still be there somehow, and they will live happily ever after. The End.



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HisRoyalHighnessTheKing

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Report this Feb. 01 2011, 11:47 pm

why did he do that?


Because it was a badly written movie


The decision to kill James T Kirk was one of the stupidest decisions ever in the franchise's history.





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Report this Feb. 02 2011, 12:06 am

Well put, HisRoyalHighnessTheKing

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Report this Feb. 02 2011, 12:03 pm

I never understood why picard did that to a long lost hero.Wierd or twisted!


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Report this Feb. 02 2011, 3:44 pm

Quote: HisRoyalHighnessTheKing @ Feb. 01 2011, 11:47 pm

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>The decision to kill James T Kirk was one of the stupidest decisions ever in the franchise's history.

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But he died a hero... twice. And instead of putting a typical headstone, the stones may be a marker appropriate for someone whose place in the Nexus had him in a natural, pioneer-like setting.

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Report this Feb. 03 2011, 5:47 am

Picard just did not want to leave Kirk in the wreckage.of course he knew he would be brought back.he just put him somewere a little more dignified till they could bring him home.

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Report this Feb. 03 2011, 8:14 am

Quote: toranaprem @ Feb. 01 2011, 3:59 pm

>Assuming that Picard intended to leave the body on Veridian III permanently, he did it for two reasons: 1) Everyone thought Kirk died a very long time ago. 2) Everyone who would have cared to know what really happened was long dead. EXCEPT SPOCK. I think Picard eventually had to find the balls to tell Spock, who probably contemplated beating Jean Luc to death for about a minute, then went to Veridian III to retrieve the body and give it a proper ceremony/burial.
Torana, in the IDW Comics story, Spock: Reflections, this is exactly what happened. The only person Picard told about Kirk was Spock. Spock travels all the way from Romulus to Veridan and then back to Earth to inter Kirk on the family farm back in Iowa, because his friend did the same thing for him. Ironically, he's met there by Picard.


GEN was generally crap and Kirk's death, unlike Spock's and the original Enterprise's, was not done well at all. It was adding insult to injury that there was no funeral for Kirk and no indication that his sacrifice was noted in the Ent-D's log and that his body was buried back on earth.  Leaving that question hanging like that also hurts Picard's character, making him look selfish and dishonest. 


I really did not like how they treated Kirk in GEN. It's still hard for me to believe that a huge TOS fan like Ron Moore messed up that badly with a character he loved so much. I guess it happens some time that writers just get so myopic, like Moore pretty much acknowledged wrt GEN, and just cannot see that their screenplay is just wrong.


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Report this Feb. 06 2011, 11:00 am

One other oddity which I'm surprised nobody has mentioned yet. In STV-TFF Kirk says to Spock that he knew he wasn't going to die when facing the false God entity, because he always knew he would die alone - and of course Spock was nearby. But he doesn't die alone does he? When he disappears in real time and is thought dead, he was actually whisked off into the Nexus. Everybody presumed he was dead - how could he have survived? But - no dead body, so no actual indisputable proof. And of course although Kirk might not have actually known exactly where he was - he still had his appetite and must have realised he wasn't dead - or else in heaven, you could still make an omlette. Back in the real time-line I suppose you could argue he died alone because he was unaccompanied when he vanished, but ...


Now when he does die after the scrap with Soran, Picard is very much in evidence - so he doesn't die alone. I don't have a problem with the pile of rocks particularly, and have seen this done before as other posters have mentioned. But I do think it should have been a considerably bigger pile of rocks given Kirk's waistline at the time of his silly demise ...


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Report this Feb. 06 2011, 11:47 pm

He should have been taken back to Earth. Given a state funeral in Iowa, then cremated at Yosemite National Park where a monument should have been erected in his honour on top of El Capitan.


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Report this Feb. 09 2011, 2:35 am

Quote: HisRoyalHighnessTheKing @ Feb. 01 2011, 11:47 pm

why did he do that?

Because it was a badly written movie

The decision to kill James T Kirk was one of the stupidest decisions ever in the franchise's history.




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Report this Feb. 09 2011, 2:37 am

Quote: HisRoyalHighnessTheKing @ Feb. 06 2011, 11:47 pm

He should have been taken back to Earth. Given a state funeral in Iowa, then cremated at Yosemite National Park where a monument should have been erected in his honour on top of El Capitan.



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