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Davros_

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Report this Jun. 11 2010, 9:35 pm

Quote (Yanks @ June 06 2010, 1:09 pm)
Firing a leathal or non-leathal weapon that inflicts death AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT is much more effective than "flashbangs".

LOL...I wish I had some of what you're smoking. We've seen phasers fired plenty of times over the course of five series and they were NOT light speed. Picard literally steps out of the way of a phaser beam in TNG "Conspiracy."

Even modern day firearms propel bullets faster than any Trek firearm; by the time you've heard the crack of a sniper's rifle, you're already dead.

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Report this Jun. 11 2010, 9:39 pm

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Because they do not fire at the speed of light and no they do not have pop up sights on them.


Type III Phaser rifles DO have sights:



The Phaser Rifles first introduced in ST:FC also have some kind of sighting apparatus on it:

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Report this Jun. 11 2010, 9:49 pm

Quote (Yanks @ June 06 2010, 1:45 pm)
Watch BSG for unrealistic space weaponry. Shooting a rail gun...

BSG's armaments are chemical propelled shells; even the Cylon raider captured by Starbuck in Season 1 was loaded with large bullets.

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at a vessel that can easily manuever up to warp one (impulse)...


Warp One and Full impulse are NOT the same thing. Impulse speed has varied over the course of Trek:

According to Jo'Bril in the episode "Suspicions", the shuttles aboard the Enterprise-D had a maximum impulse velocity of approximately 2.5% of light speed ? he specified that at 3/4 impulse the shuttle would travel a distance of 1,000,000 kilometers in approximately 3 minutes (approx. 12,400,000 miles per hour).

A reference made in "Fair Haven" indicated that USS Voyager's impulse power would not be enough to outrun an approaching neutronic storm that was traveling at a velocity of 200,000 kilometers per second (447,387,258 miles per hour), or roughly 2/3 the speed of light

In "Timeless" it is stated at full impulse, Voyager can travel at roughly 80% light speed at impulse. ST:TMP seems to support this: After the warp drive was offline they were continuing at .8 of light speed.

All of this is moot, since Trek starships clearly do not travel anywhere near fractions of c in nearly every capital ship battle ever depicted.

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Report this Jun. 11 2010, 9:57 pm

Quote (Kor_Dahar_Master @ June 05 2010, 1:52 pm)
6. Phasers have auto targetting.

Kind of pointless when weapons auto-target...

There is no canon evidence for this whatsoever. If this were true, no one would ever miss.

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1. We do not see Romulan fighters but that does not mean they do no have them.


Wasn't that ship they stole from the Scimitar (ST:NEM) a fighter craft?

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Report this Jun. 11 2010, 10:03 pm

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Your supply crates are made weapon proof stuff the crew is expected to move around on a regular basis and you say building a body armor out of the same material would be to heavy to move around it...

This does bear mention....they've shown anti-gravity devices moving cargo in TNG "Hollow Pursuits"

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Report this Jun. 11 2010, 10:05 pm

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It wouldn't have been much fun watching a bunch of indistructable folks walking around in body armor.

You don't seem to understand the function of armor, which is to turn what would be a lethal wound into a non-lethal one. Armor =/= 100% proof against damage.

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Report this Jun. 12 2010, 10:49 am

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Quote (chr3335 @ June 07 2010, 12:55 am)
?Except for thin packing crates which are always used for cover so sorry you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

We see examples of them taking cover behind crates we also see them disintigrating things when its required. I do not find it unreasonable to have weapons set so they do not drill holes in the ships hull considering they are in space.

The Klingons also have armour but it is ineffective against phasers or disruptors.

Clearly you prefer to use a no limit fallacy instead of reason or a broarder view.

That is just stupid they have the ability to disintegrate but choose not to even if it could end the battle sooner and ALL factions do it even the war like ones?  That makes no logical sense the better explanation is the creates are made out of weapons proof material and the federation just doesn't fight enough to realize they could use that to protect their personnel.

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Clearly you prefer to use a no limit fallacy instead of reason or a broarder view.
 We have a line of dialouge from one of the DS9 episodes that clearly states the packing crates are weapons proof and in ALMOST EVERY BATTLE the thin packing creates are regularly used as cover

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.I would assume that those packing crates are heavy as would any armor that is made of said materials.
 Why would you assume the material is heavy and not that the create is full of heavy material (or at least densely packed) that at least would explain why we don't see a whole lot of supply crates for the replicator and components unable to be replicated

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Report this Jun. 12 2010, 10:51 am

Quote (Davros_ @ June 10 2010, 11:03 pm)
Quote (chr3335 @ June 10 2010, 9:08 pm)
Your supply crates are made weapon proof stuff the crew is expected to move around on a regular basis and you say building a body armor out of the same material would be to heavy to move around it...

This does bear mention....they've shown anti-gravity devices moving cargo in TNG "Hollow Pursuits"

But are they heavy because of the material the crates are made of or the stuff in the crates.  Making a barrel so heavy you couldn't move it even when empty with out lifting equipment would make very little logistical sense.

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Report this Jun. 12 2010, 11:28 am

Since when do Federation Engineers make sense? :laugh:

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Report this Jun. 12 2010, 2:17 pm

Quote (Davros_ @ June 11 2010, 12:28 pm)
Since when do Federation Engineers make sense? :laugh:

True they do have lots of useless things and do not use even the basics of engineering safety.

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Report this Jun. 12 2010, 6:50 pm

Quote (chr3335 @ June 12 2010, 10:49 am)
Quote (Kor_Dahar_Master @ June 06 2010, 12:54 pm)
Quote (chr3335 @ June 07 2010, 12:55 am)
?Except for thin packing crates which are always used for cover so sorry you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

We see examples of them taking cover behind crates we also see them disintigrating things when its required. I do not find it unreasonable to have weapons set so they do not drill holes in the ships hull considering they are in space.

The Klingons also have armour but it is ineffective against phasers or disruptors.

Clearly you prefer to use a no limit fallacy instead of reason or a broarder view.

That is just stupid they have the ability to disintegrate but choose not to even if it could end the battle sooner and ALL factions do it even the war like ones? ?That makes no logical sense the better explanation is the creates are made out of weapons proof material and the federation just doesn't fight enough to realize they could use that to protect their personnel.

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Clearly you prefer to use a no limit fallacy instead of reason or a broarder view.
?We have a line of dialouge from one of the DS9 episodes that clearly states the packing crates are weapons proof and in ALMOST EVERY BATTLE the thin packing creates are regularly used as cover

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.I would assume that those packing crates are heavy as would any armor that is made of said materials.
?Why would you assume the material is heavy and not that the create is full of heavy material (or at least densely packed) that at least would explain why we don't see a whole lot of supply crates for the replicator and components unable to be replicated


It is possible they don't put it on disintegrate because they are worried that something in a crate could be explosive and don't want to cause a big explosive that could kill them too.

Klingon armor does provide some protection which is better then none but yes mostly ceremonial.

It could be in reference to just those specific packing crates.Not all packing crates are the same.Once Quark hid in a big one as a way to take cover from weapons fire and some blasts penetrated that crate.

I assume the crate is heavy as a way to make it much more difficult to steal as well as if it wasn't heavy the said materials would indeed be used as body armor by someone.

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Report this Jun. 12 2010, 7:18 pm

chr3335 please don't combine quotes from me and another person into one post.

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Report this Jul. 22 2010, 11:00 pm

Quantumflux01 i see where you're coming from. Being in the military now myself it is flusterating to see hollywood, in particular star trek, try and fail miserably at almost everything military, especially combat.

Granted i know star trek is not about combat, however when they do protray it, it would be nice to see some realism, Battlestar Galactica did an excellant job of this (for the most part)

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Report this Jul. 30 2010, 1:17 pm


4. Body armour: This for the life of me I've never understood. There's shields and deflectors to protect ships and tritanium which is 20 times harder than diamonds. Why wasn't there body armour that deflected or absorbed phaser blasts?



 


Borg inspired shield would do the trick ^_^



 



 

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Report this Aug. 29 2010, 3:20 pm

The closest thing being what the security people wore in ST:TMP. The animated series had the TOS crew wearing life support belts-and these actually functioned as in addition defensively-at least, in the story ''Beyond the Farthest Star'' I recall reading the Alan Dean Foster treatment in which Kirk, on the bridge, which an entity had control of(and was using the 'bridge defense unit')a ceiling-mounted phaser blister or etc against him, and the LS belt's shield while protecting began to succumb. Of course, TAS isn't counted canon....Maybe one could chalk it up to different things-one being that to have a Starfleet crew that well-defended, from a dramatic viewpoint, would be less so, if they were able to relatively well fend off an enemy attack...probably have lost less redshirts that way, though, LOL....and FX, if available, would no doubt be expensive, I guess.....


''If I were captain, i'd open every crack in the universe, and peek inside, just like Captain Janeway does''-Kes, ''The Cloud''

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