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The Best Trek movie action hero

DammitJim6200

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Report this May. 30 2010, 5:57 pm

Let's face it, all movies have heroes right ?  In the first Trek film, TMP, there wasn't much heroics involved, in 'The Wrath Of Khan" Spock saved the ship and died..Kirk saved his crew by destroying the Enterprise in "The Search For Spock".
In The Next Gen movies Picard assumed the role of action hero helping to stop Soran in "Generations' defeating the Borg in First Contact, saving the Ba'ku villiage in "Insurrection"..
Picard truely beame a movie action hero !
Who do you think it is ?
 ;)

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Report this May. 30 2010, 6:38 pm

Kirk took on V'ger, the Klingons, 'God' and Traitors during the movie period. All quite formidable opponents (and wasn't he needed to sort out Soran as well? ) ;) :D

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Report this May. 30 2010, 7:47 pm

Quote (Mirrorgirl @ May 29 2010, 7:38 pm)
Kirk took on V'ger, the Klingons, 'God' and Traitors during the movie period. All quite formidable opponents (and wasn't he needed to sort out Soran as well? ) ;) :D

He defeated Soran with the aid of the awesome Jean luc Picard..Yes. :D

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Report this May. 30 2010, 10:29 pm

Quote (ServalanFan @ May 29 2010, 11:03 pm)
Of those choices IMO only Kirk is is the running.
Spock didn't like violence and attempted peaceful solutions even with a loss of face (Except for the latest movie).
Data was similar IMO.
And Jean luc Picard throughout TNG preferred a diplomatic intellectual ?solution. Not that was a bad thing. It was just the way he was. There were plenty of times when I thought he'd like to punch some guy in the face but controlled himself and ultimately that worked out for him and the Enterprise. He was not afraid to use the muscle of his ship and the Federation when he needed to .
However I felt he mostly preferred talking it out. Action heroes don't do this .
The exception to this were the TNG movies but I felt he was often out of character as seen in TNG in the movies. Perhaps at this stage he had had enough of diplomacy.

I think better candidates for action heroes would be Worf, Riker, Sisko, Archer and 7/9.
I would have voted for Archer. He liked to punch it out even more than Kirk IMO. That doesn't make him a bigger hero or better character though just more action-oriented.

The thread is about MOVIE action heroes, Archer and 7 0f 9 wasn't in the movies...
Clearly Kirk is a man of action In Star trek three he demonstated that vividly..
but be fair In "First Contact" we've seen Picard as we've never seen him driven, Shirt off in the buff, so full of action,
even in Insurrection where he put his career on the line to save the Ba'ku, Nemesis, going to Shizon ship to take him on
and driving the Argo! ;)

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Report this May. 30 2010, 11:04 pm

Mr. Spock didn't fight hand-to-hand...ever.

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Report this May. 31 2010, 1:15 am

Quote (ServalanFan @ May 30 2010, 12:14 am)
Quote (HaventGotALife @ May 30 2010, 11:04 pm)
Mr. Spock didn't fight hand-to-hand...ever.

Not in the movies - how about Amok Time though?

Edit: OK Spock never resorted to fisticuffs when he was in his right mind.

I was talking about the movies. He meditated. He mind-melded. He played politics. He went to engineering and fixed the ship. The most agressive move he made was putting that guy out who was blaring music and flicked off him and Kirk with the Vulcan nerve pinch. That, and throwing the Klingon when he was on Genesis. Therefore, while I voted for him, he was not an action hero.

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Report this May. 31 2010, 1:26 am

Quote (DammitJim6200 @ May 30 2010, 7:47 pm)
Quote (Mirrorgirl @ May 29 2010, 7:38 pm)
Kirk took on V'ger, the Klingons, 'God' and Traitors during the movie period. All quite formidable opponents (and wasn't he needed to sort out Soran as well? ) ;) :D

He defeated Soran with the aid of the awesome Jean luc Picard..Yes. :D

I think it was the other way around. Picard defeated Soran with the help of Captain Kirk. I have to go with Kirk as being the best action hero of Trek (at least out of the choices given). True, Kirk never ripped off his shirt in any of the movies, but pound for pound, he's had more action than Picard. For instance:
In Voyage Home-Kirk reenters the sinking bird of prey; swimming to the cargo hold to release the whales.
Search For Spock- Kirk fights the Klingon Commander to the death on a planet that's coming apart around him.
The Final Frontier-Kirk not only climbs and falls off of El Capitan, but leads a rescue party on horseback to rescue the ambassadors held hostage, fights that fine azz cat woman, and has and survives an encounter with an angry, God-like being.
The Undiscovered Country-Kirk fights off an alien twice his size and strength while inprisoned in a Klingon gulag. Kirk then outfights General Chang in a Bird of Prey that can fire while cloaked (yes, he had help from Sulu).
Generations-Kirk alone saved the Enterprise from destruction by the ribbon. And it was KIRK who whipped Soran's butt while Picard booby trapped the missile. Picard just couldn't seem to beat Soran.
Those are just a few examples from the movies. Don't get me wrong, I like Picard. I just think Kirk was more of an action hero. I could go all day with examples from the television series.

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Report this May. 31 2010, 12:39 pm

Kirk, obviously.  I think Generations absolutely underscored that point.  Picard had to pull Kirk out of heaven/Valhalla/Nexus because he couldn't take out one mad scientist by himself.  

I think it's somewhat ironic that Picard became an action hero in FC after Generations.  It's almost like he was inspired by Kirk in Generations to step it up a notch.  

But Kirk is obviously da man.  Always has been, always will be.

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Report this May. 31 2010, 12:40 pm

Quote (HaventGotALife @ May 30 2010, 11:04 pm)
Mr. Spock didn't fight hand-to-hand...ever.

He did in the ST series.

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Report this May. 31 2010, 12:43 pm

Quote (ServalanFan @ May 30 2010, 11:14 pm)
Quote (DammitJim6200 @ May 30 2010, 10:29 pm)
Quote (ServalanFan @ May 29 2010, 11:03 pm)
Of those choices IMO only Kirk is is the running.
Spock didn't like violence and attempted peaceful solutions even with a loss of face (Except for the latest movie).
Data was similar IMO.
And Jean luc Picard throughout TNG preferred a diplomatic intellectual ?solution. Not that was a bad thing. It was just the way he was. There were plenty of times when I thought he'd like to punch some guy in the face but controlled himself and ultimately that worked out for him and the Enterprise. He was not afraid to use the muscle of his ship and the Federation when he needed to .
However I felt he mostly preferred talking it out. Action heroes don't do this .
The exception to this were the TNG movies but I felt he was often out of character as seen in TNG in the movies. Perhaps at this stage he had had enough of diplomacy.

I think better candidates for action heroes would be Worf, Riker, Sisko, Archer and 7/9.
I would have voted for Archer. He liked to punch it out even more than Kirk IMO. That doesn't make him a bigger hero or better character though just more action-oriented.

The thread is about MOVIE action heroes, Archer and 7 0f 9 wasn't in the movies...
Clearly Kirk is a man of action In Star trek three he demonstated that vividly..
but be fair In "First Contact" we've seen Picard as we've never seen him driven, Shirt off in the buff, so full of action,
even in Insurrection where he put his career on the line to save the Ba'ku, Nemesis, going to Shizon ship to take him on
and driving the Argo! ;)

Sorry DJ you're right.

If you're just going off the movies then I agree its Picard.
Then Data.

Thats if you forget the whole history of TNG :laugh:

Then Kirk coming in third. He didn't rip his shirt once in the movies or kiss any babes.

Poor Spock still doesn't rate with me. He didn't even get into a fist-fight in any of the movies.

But you're 100% correct in the movies Picard was as we've never seen him - willing to kill on a whim (though justifiably IMO) and willing to disobey stupid Federation orders (at last).

Essentially, Picard as Kirk, which supports your claim that Picard was portrayed out of character for the TNG movies.  And, wrt that, you're right.  It's obvious that changes were made to the TNG formula for the films, with the focus on Picard and Data and Picard's metamorphosis into an action hero, which he rarely was in TNG.

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Report this May. 31 2010, 12:44 pm

Quote (KALEL @ May 31 2010, 1:26 am)
Quote (DammitJim6200 @ May 30 2010, 7:47 pm)
Quote (Mirrorgirl @ May 29 2010, 7:38 pm)
Kirk took on V'ger, the Klingons, 'God' and Traitors during the movie period. All quite formidable opponents (and wasn't he needed to sort out Soran as well? ) ;) :D

He defeated Soran with the aid of the awesome Jean luc Picard..Yes. :D

I think it was the other way around. Picard defeated Soran with the help of Captain Kirk. I have to go with Kirk as being the best action hero of Trek (at least out of the choices given). True, Kirk never ripped off his shirt in any of the movies, but pound for pound, he's had more action than Picard. For instance:
In Voyage Home-Kirk reenters the sinking bird of prey; swimming to the cargo hold to release the whales.
Search For Spock- Kirk fights the Klingon Commander to the death on a planet that's coming apart around him.
The Final Frontier-Kirk not only climbs and falls off of El Capitan, but leads a rescue party on horseback to rescue the ambassadors held hostage, fights that fine azz cat woman, and has and survives an encounter with an angry, God-like being.
The Undiscovered Country-Kirk fights off an alien twice his size and strength while inprisoned in a Klingon gulag. Kirk then outfights General Chang in a Bird of Prey that can fire while cloaked (yes, he had help from Sulu).
Generations-Kirk alone saved the Enterprise from destruction by the ribbon. And it was KIRK who whipped Soran's butt while Picard booby trapped the missile. Picard just couldn't seem to beat Soran.
Those are just a few examples from the movies. Don't get me wrong, I like Picard. I just think Kirk was more of an action hero. I could go all day with examples from the television series.

Well said, KALEL!

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Report this May. 31 2010, 5:24 pm

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Report this May. 31 2010, 7:52 pm

Captain James T. Kirk: Star Trek's single best movie action hero.
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Report this May. 31 2010, 8:34 pm

Quote (KALEL @ May 30 2010, 2:26 am)
Quote (DammitJim6200 @ May 30 2010, 7:47 pm)
Quote (Mirrorgirl @ May 29 2010, 7:38 pm)
Kirk took on V'ger, the Klingons, 'God' and Traitors during the movie period. All quite formidable opponents (and wasn't he needed to sort out Soran as well? ) ;) :D

He defeated Soran with the aid of the awesome Jean luc Picard..Yes. :D

I think it was the other way around. Picard defeated Soran with the help of Captain Kirk. I have to go with Kirk as being the best action hero of Trek (at least out of the choices given). True, Kirk never ripped off his shirt in any of the movies, but pound for pound, he's had more action than Picard. For instance:
In Voyage Home-Kirk reenters the sinking bird of prey; swimming to the cargo hold to release the whales.
Search For Spock- Kirk fights the Klingon Commander to the death on a planet that's coming apart around him.
The Final Frontier-Kirk not only climbs and falls off of El Capitan, but leads a rescue party on horseback to rescue the ambassadors held hostage, fights that fine azz cat woman, and has and survives an encounter with an angry, God-like being.
The Undiscovered Country-Kirk fights off an alien twice his size and strength while inprisoned in a Klingon gulag. Kirk then outfights General Chang in a Bird of Prey that can fire while cloaked (yes, he had help from Sulu).
Generations-Kirk alone saved the Enterprise from destruction by the ribbon. And it was KIRK who whipped Soran's butt while Picard booby trapped the missile. Picard just couldn't seem to beat Soran.
Those are just a few examples from the movies. Don't get me wrong, I like Picard. I just think Kirk was more of an action hero. I could go all day with examples from the television series.

Kirk AND Picard defeated Soran and Kirk not Picard, died. ;)
Leaving Picard to do the rest.

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Report this May. 31 2010, 9:42 pm

Kirk took on V'Ger.
Kirk took on Khan.
Kirk took on starfleet and Cmndr. Kruge.
Kirk took on time travel and the 20th century.
Kirk took on Sybok, God AND captain Klaa.
Finally, Kirk took on Chang, Valeris AND that chameloid.

It seems to me that as time went on, Kirk became more and more of an action hero. He didn't let a petty thing like age slow him down until everything was said and done.

Captain Kirk, FTW. :cool:

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