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Can two alien species even procreate...

grigori

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Report this May. 28 2010, 8:17 pm

I'm certain there are wiser & more learned heads than mine on these Boards who have given the subject some study & thought.

ENT makes it pretty clear that a Vulcan & a human can pretty much have at it without any regard for prophylactics.

Are there any other examples in the series or books of spontaneous inter-species breeding? Or are ALL hybrids to be assumed to be the product of fertility treatments on a galactic level?

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Report this May. 28 2010, 9:05 pm

Quote (grigori @ May 28 2010, 8:17 pm)
I'm certain there are wiser & more learned heads than mine on these Boards who have given the subject some study & thought.

ENT makes it pretty clear that a Vulcan & a human can pretty much have at it without any regard for prophylactics.

Are there any other examples in the series or books of spontaneous inter-species breeding? Or are ALL hybrids to be assumed to be the product of fertility treatments on a galactic level?

In Voyager their was Naomi Wildman's Mother was married to an alien I forget his species. Naomi had horns or spikes on her head.

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Report this May. 29 2010, 8:26 am

Quote (grigori @ May 28 2010, 8:17 pm)
I'm certain there are wiser & more learned heads than mine on these Boards who have given the subject some study & thought.

ENT makes it pretty clear that a Vulcan & a human can pretty much have at it without any regard for prophylactics.

Are there any other examples in the series or books of spontaneous inter-species breeding? Or are ALL hybrids to be assumed to be the product of fertility treatments on a galactic level?

Its is rather odd that vulcans and humans can naturally interbreed due to vulcans blood being copper based aparantly.

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Report this May. 29 2010, 12:08 pm

sure in trek it happens all the time. I'm actually kind of spooked out at the idea of humans falling in love with other aliens.

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Report this May. 29 2010, 1:34 pm

A Vulcan human birth is nothing like a regular birth. Sarek's own words ...

"As you must know, an Earth-Vulcan conception will abort during the end of the first month. The fetus is unable to continue life once it begins to develop its primary organs. The fetus Spock was removed from Amanda's body at this time--first such experiment ever attempted. His tiny form resided in a test tube for the following two Earth months, while our physicians performed delicate chemical engineering, introducing over a hundred subtle changes that we hoped would sustain life. At the end of this time, the fetus was returned to Amanda's womb. At the ninth Earth month, the tiny form was again removed from Amanda, prematurely by Vulcan standards, and spent the following four months Vulcan term pregnancy in a specially designed incubator. The infant Spock proved surprisingly resilient--there seems to be something about the Earth-Vulcan mixture, which created in that.. tiny body.. a fierce determination to survive."

I can't think of a good example of birth between aliens where no medical intervention was available.

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Report this May. 29 2010, 4:37 pm

Quote (tribblenator999 @ May 29 2010, 5:08 pm)
sure in trek it happens all the time. I'm actually kind of spooked out at the idea of humans falling in love with other aliens.

Come on... a humanoid looking women, will look the same as a human women, except some different facial features, skin colour. Physically, if all the right bits and bobs are there, I don't see what the problem is. Okay, I don't see how you could love a Vulcan, if your human, I mean having sex in about once every 7 years is not very appealing. Plus the whole logic/suppress emotions thing would most humans off. I wouldn't be interested in Klingons, to violent... (when it comes to the bed ¿;) )

About inter species (amongst humanoids) breeding 3 things matter:
1. They have the correct sexual organs to breed (classic two sexes, male and female).
2. When sperm and egg fuse, the DNA fuses together and doesn't break down.
3. Chemical inbalances don't happen; i.e. enzyme problems, type of blood and so forth.

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Report this May. 29 2010, 4:51 pm

Quote (Quantumflux01 @ May 29 2010, 4:37 pm)
Quote (tribblenator999 @ May 29 2010, 5:08 pm)
sure in trek it happens all the time. I'm actually kind of spooked out at the idea of humans falling in love with other aliens.

Come on... a humanoid looking women, will look the same as a human women, except some different facial features, skin colour. Physically, if all the right bits and bobs are there, I don't see what the problem is. Okay, I don't see how you could love a Vulcan, if your human, I mean having sex in about once every 7 years is not very appealing. Plus the whole logic/suppress emotions thing would most humans off. I wouldn't be interested in Klingons, to violent... (when it comes to the bed ?;) )

About inter species (amongst humanoids) breeding 3 things matter:
1. They have the correct sexual organs to breed (classic two sexes, male and female).
2. When sperm and egg fuse, the DNA fuses together and doesn't break down.
3. Chemical inbalances don't happen; i.e. enzyme problems, type of blood and so forth.

apparently amanda grayson loves vulcans and doesn't have a problem with the whole sex in 7 year thing.  

I personally if I were in the trek universe go for...a romulan female. ;)

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Report this May. 29 2010, 5:39 pm

Quote (ServalanFan @ May 29 2010, 6:42 am)
And Worf and K'Ehleyr had Alexander in TNG without medical intervention even though K'Ehleyr was a hybrid.

Seska and the Kazon guy had a child - which was most probably not due to intervention because she thought it was Chakotay's.

These are good examples! See, I knew someone would think of it.

The other examples may have been spontaneous pregnancies, but of course we saw that during the pregnancy there were problems that needed to be considered or monitored anyway.

:)

...guide X, where is that description by Sarek from? someone gave a lot of thought to that one...It's no wonder Phlox was so uncertain about the possibilites of Vulcan-human birth.

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Report this May. 31 2010, 5:17 pm

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Tasha Yar/Romulan offspring yet.

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Report this May. 31 2010, 6:15 pm

I'm particularly interested in evidence of hybrids definitely determined to be without medical intervention. Naomi Wildman's mom said they'd been "trying" awhile.

Torres was surprised, but she was half-human:

EMH: I don't mean to be indelicate but, weren't you trying to get pregnant?
TORRES: Well, of course, I mean we knew we wanted a family.
PARIS: But the odds against human-Klingon conception are so high.
EMH: Well, apparently you've beaten the odds. May I be the first to congratulate you.
PARIS: When is the baby due?
EMH: Normally, Klingon pregnancies run thirty weeks, but with mixed species it could be sooner.

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Report this May. 31 2010, 6:30 pm

I wouldn't mind a Bajoran women... Just love those crinkly little noseridges... But it wouldn't work with a Vulcan, Romulan and Klingon... Don't fancy a Betazoid either, I want to keep my own mental privacy thank you very much. Gee... If I was in the Star Trek universe I'd be pretty discriminating.

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Report this Jun. 01 2010, 12:38 am

Quote (tribblenator999 @ May 29 2010, 12:08 pm)
sure in trek it happens all the time. I'm actually kind of spooked out at the idea of humans falling in love with other aliens.

When you take into account that there are people in this world who would be willing to play hide the salami with a furry cat-girl, then the idea that humans might want to bang an extra-terrestrial really isn't that far-fetched.  :bugout:  :whatthe:  :O  :laugh:  :p

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Report this Jun. 01 2010, 12:40 am

Quote (Quantumflux01 @ May 31 2010, 6:30 pm)
I wouldn't mind a Bajoran women... Just love those crinkly little noseridges...

Gives the term "nose job" a whole 'nother meaning.  :whatthe:  :laugh:  :p  :D  ;)

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Report this Jun. 01 2010, 1:01 am

Unlikely that two alien species would be able to procreate. Their genetics would be too different even if the plumbing were by some accident of evolution somewhat similar.

The trouble with most SF is that most of the aliens are humanlike - this will likely turn out not to be case if we ever physically encounter aliens either in space or on somehow getting to their planets or if they ever come here.

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Report this Jun. 01 2010, 2:30 am

i wonder what will come out from a ferengi and a  betaziod ... ;)
(it will be ok, since ferengi thoughts can't be read)
or a betaziod and kilingon..
how about andorians and humans?I'd like to see that in the next series...

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