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Report this May. 27 2010, 3:01 pm

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Report this May. 27 2010, 7:46 pm

Quote (82AIRBORNE @ May 27 2010, 3:01 pm)

I do believe that the basis for Man, the " baby " space faring race as arbiter of the future Federation, is established with this episode. We are not the best and brightest out there and certainly not the stongest. What we do see on display in Archer, is our ability to appreciate both sides of an argument.

ABSOLUTELY--and every bit of it is well-observed, 82A. This is exactly what I get out of this episode--in retrospect, of course, but even at the time. Wow, these Vulcans have a deep dark secret: they don't exactly get along with everyone! And like the Andorians, they've been around the block, but it takes a human to settle them down and force a peaceful (for now) resolution to this potentially explosive revelation.

Of course no one believe the Andorian/Vulcan conflict was settled here, and it sure made it juicy, anticipating the rest of the route to the Federation! and the human part in it is firmly and unequivocably established at P'Jem.

And on top of that, we see the very particular character of Archer making it all possible. People make history, not the other way around. To transform an aphorism, only Archer could go to P'Jem.

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Report this May. 27 2010, 11:13 pm

I LOVE this episode! A solid 9! The surprise ending was great and just the thing to top it off. The only problem I have with this episode is Shran's aggresive interrogation, but I can overlook it.

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Report this May. 28 2010, 11:59 am

A wonderful episode, with background to species' histories and development of our primary and guest characters.  The above posts provide much of what I would agree with in the episode, so I will discuss other moments that spoke to me.....

I like the way T'Pol seemed hesitant for them to visit P'Jem (in The Seventh we understand more of why that is so)

Phlox picks up on her discomfort, with an insight to her reasons, appropriate, since they would be able to at least understand each other's pathyways of adjustments to living with humans, though the paths are different between the two.

T'Pol giving the protocols to Archer and Tucker, brushing up their uniforms and all.....loved it!

Archer and Tucker picking up on T'Pol's sense that something is wrong then acting on it.....building teamwork and trust.

And we have SHRAN!!!  (I love JC! )

Trip's off the cuff remarks, while still focusing on the job at hand.

Archer's willingness to suffer for the mission, crew, and even what he thinks is the right path to a resolution.

Reed's quick response, within character and effective, to the tactical situation.

T'Pol's sadness to learning her culture has some duplicity, and her resolve to respond in a truly Vulcan way....it prepares us for her acceptance to Surak's true teachings after the Vulcan arc brings that transformation of ENT Vulcans towards TOS Vulcans full circle.

And the beginnings of the Shran / Archer "in your debt" and "all debts are PAID!" storyline.....lots of fun there!

I give this one a 9....since my 10's are reserved for the ones that affect me in a deeply emotional way.  Hey, I can be emotional if I want!

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Report this May. 28 2010, 1:12 pm

NICE LIST, tish! way details.

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Report this Jun. 04 2010, 4:20 pm

I gave this a 10 score because it introduced the Andorians and started a couple of long term sub plots, not only that but it also showed Archer behaving less than perfectly at the end and more inkeeping with how things should have started out.


The story itself was pretty simple but with in my opinion perfect ending. And i do not mean them discovering the spying tech i mean archer giving Shran the info and really annoying the Vulcans who are supposed to be allies as doing so had the possibly of starting a war.

Still this episode was in the early days on Enterprise so i WANTED them to make such emotional, morally superior and diplomatically incorrect decisions.

Much better than pulling a picard and telling the Vulcans to remove it or he would snitch , Archer just says screw you allies and gives Shran the details (after KOing a vulcan priest)....id say he was a distant relative of Sisko after that little move but he gets his ass kicked way too much.

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Report this Jun. 06 2010, 10:00 am

Quote (Kor_Dahar_Master @ June 04 2010, 4:20 pm)

I gave this a 10 score because it introduced the Andorians and started a couple of long term sub plots, not only that but it also showed Archer behaving less than perfectly at the end and more inkeeping with how things should have started out. The story itself was pretty simple but with in my opinion perfect ending. And i do not mean them discovering the spying tech i mean archer giving Shran the info and really annoying the Vulcans who are supposed to be allies as doing so had the possibly of starting a war. Still this episode was in the early days on Enterprise so i WANTED them to make such emotional, morally superior and diplomatically incorrect decisions. Much better than pulling a picard and telling the Vulcans to remove it or he would snitch , Archer just says screw you allies and gives Shran the details (after KOing a vulcan priest)....id say he was a distant relative of Sisko after that little move but he gets his ass kicked way too much.

Indeed!  

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Report this Jun. 06 2010, 6:06 pm

Quote (Kor_Dahar_Master @ June 04 2010, 4:20 pm)

Archer just says screw you allies and gives Shran the details (after KOing a vulcan priest)....id say he was a distant relative of Sisko after that little move but he gets his ass kicked way too much.

I hear this charge battled around a lot by a cliche, but I'm uncertain what examples led to it?

Seriously, there seem to be a lot of criticisms of ENT that sound like glib or cute platitudes, but I honestly, simply wasn't around these Boards back when ENT was on to understand the origins of them. I've tried to get people to adequately explain how "Super-Archer" is any different than other Trek captains, and can't get a substantiated answer to that one as well.

('Asking you, too, Bro! since you seemed to heartily agree.)

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Report this Jun. 06 2010, 6:19 pm

Quote (grigori @ June 06 2010, 6:06 pm)

Quote (Kor_Dahar_Master @ June 04 2010, 4:20 pm) Archer just says screw you allies and gives Shran the details (after KOing a vulcan priest)....id say he was a distant relative of Sisko after that little move but he gets his ass kicked way too much. I hear this charge battled around a lot by a cliche, but I'm uncertain what examples led to it? Seriously, there seem to be a lot of criticisms of ENT that sound like glib or cute platitudes, but I honestly, simply wasn't around these Boards back when ENT was on to understand the origins of them. I've tried to get people to adequately explain how "Super-Archer" is any different than other Trek captains, and can't get a substantiated answer to that one as well. ('Asking you, too, Bro! since you seemed to heartily agree.)

*From the Mirror Universe*

I did not start the Super Archer thing. I did not like seeing a Starship Captain like Archer lose a lot of fights or get into situations where the opponent was beating him down. Archer won a few fights, but not enough.

I will give Archer this much, he kicked more but than Picard did.

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Report this Jun. 06 2010, 6:58 pm

Okay, but WHICH fights did he lose? What am I supposed to be remembering? Was Archer an insufferable pacifist? Yeh, he was way more physical than Picard OR Sisko OR Janeway, and from time to time they let Bak throw a TKD kick in.

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Report this Jun. 06 2010, 7:35 pm

Quote (grigori @ June 06 2010, 6:58 pm)

Okay, but WHICH fights did he lose? What am I supposed to be remembering? Was Archer an insufferable pacifist? Yeh, he was way more physical than Picard OR Sisko OR Janeway, and from time to time they let Bak throw a TKD kick in.

No way he was more physical that Sisko. Archer had a hard time with Commander Dolim.He only defeated Commander Dolim by using an explosive charge. He did not beat AG Robinson who insulted his dad's engine. He had a hard time beating John Paxton in Terra Prime Sisko took on three Jem'hader while fight on the Defiant while under attack. Sisko also fought and defeated several Klingons when they tried to invade DS9. Sisko took on Gul Dukat with a broken arm when they were stranded on a planet and Dukat wanted to kill him.

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Report this Jun. 06 2010, 8:38 pm

Good Sisko examples; I concede on that one. Maybe more accurate to say he's physical more OFTEN than Sisko.

But your whole complaint is in DIRECT contradiction to the Super-Archer bashers! He always leads the charge, he wins with an injured arm in the cowboy fight, he defeats Shran at his own species' specific challenge, he knocks out soldiers in full EV gear, saves Tucker (repeatedly--and in Dawn we see Tucker's fighting skills ain't hay), takes out multiple trained Vulcan security, outsmarts professional criminals on their turf, just keeps on escaping from those Klingons, always stands up to the bullies--the Klingons in Marauders, the Andorians.

But the Archer-is-a-wuss camp will point out he can't catch a bat, gets bested by the female Tandaran, gets chained up by Ferengi on his own ship, gets knocked down by an Augment, an emotional Vulcan (well, duh) and has a tendency to get caught twice in a row by the same captors.

T'Pol reacts as if his bearing and language put him one step above cavemen, but doesn't appreciate the times he avoids violence with ingenuity (in Stratagem, in peace-making in Season 4).

Either he wins too many or he loses too many! Meaning, he can't really win at all.

"Not enough like Kirk."
"Not enough like Picard."

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