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May. 20 2010, 4:04 pm
For the humor and overall good story I gave it a 9. Also I liked the Klingons in this episode...go figure eh? (Klingon gone Canadian, look out! LOL! )
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May. 20 2010, 7:45 pm
I'm not too sure about the critic you quote, Yanks...He's getting on my nerves. A bit flip and superficial in his observations.
I'll have to prepare a statement, maybe waiting first to see if the convo DOES descend into, Was this rape? and why was everyone laughing about it?
I've given several lectures in response to that already. Suffice it to throw out there that the subject of this episode is a lesson in just how much good will between alien species can overcome--just how EXTREME the miscommunications and misunderstandings can get and still be forgiven by people of good will. And then there are the Klingons.
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May. 20 2010, 8:24 pm
I give this episode a 6. While the humor and the apperance of the earliest Klingon Battle Cruiser was nice to have in the story, the fact that T'Pol was acting like such an @ss about Trip's situation(and the fact that she could simply NOT shut up about this in later episodes) REALLY pissed me off.(Why don't you try sticking your fingers in those kriffing rocks and see what happens to YOU?!   ) Anyway, for the most part, I DID enjoy this episode and it was pretty funny at times.  |
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May. 20 2010, 8:54 pm
| Quote (DrGojira @ May 20 2010, 8:29 pm) | I found Unexpected pretty much what I expected.
I found it incredible that the crew laughed at Trip being infected by an alien. |
The fine art of visiting a discussion in order to demonstrate how NOT to join a discussion. |
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May. 21 2010, 12:24 am
I am in agreement with you grigori..... Now for my evaluation!
I like the way we get a bit of background on the Archer and Trip friendship.....
ARCHER: Remember to mind your manners (he knows Trip is a bit impulsive and needs a reminder)
ARCHER: With all due respect, I've known Commander Tucker for eight years. He's tough as nails. If he says he's having problems I've got to believe him. (he has respect for and trust in his engineer)
ARCHER: Take a nap, Trip. That's an order. (big 'brother' telling little 'brother' what to do)
ARCHER: Trip. (he knows to make sure of Trip's activities....not because Trip was hiding anything, just that Trip may not have considered all the possibilities...)
And then Archer was willing to track the Xyrillians for days, as well as take on the KLINGONS just so he can take care of his friend in need......really cool friendship there!
And the way Connor acted these lines were priceless!
TUCKER: What the hell are you talking about?
TUCKER: So?
TUCKER: I've been in Starfleet for twelve years. Do you think I'd jeopardize my career by messing around with some alien engineer on a three day mission? I considered myself a diplomat from the minute I set foot in that vessel. Well, there was that box of pebbles.
TUCKER: (putting the plaster back) Great.
TUCKER: I'm the Chief Engineer. I spent years earning that position. I never had any intention of becoming a working mother.
TUCKER: Postnatal responsibilities?
TUCKER: It's a girl, huh?
So those are some of my favorite moments to this episode. I gave it a 9, mostly due to the cohesion in actors, writers,and directors still needing to be smoothed out....but that's expected this early in a season.
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May. 21 2010, 5:34 am
Not my favorite episode. I gave it a 7, rating it about average. Getting Trip pregnant did not go over well with me. Even thought there were some funny moments, it was not really worth it. As far as the Xyrillians, they were okay. they could have asked for help instead of causing problems for another ship. The only thing that was worth remembering is that the Klingons might get a taste of what Trip was going through with that box of pebbles.
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May. 21 2010, 7:17 am
| Quote (BrotherofShran01 @ May 21 2010, 5:34 am) | | Even thought there were some funny moments, it was not really worth it. As far as the Xyrillians, they were okay. they could have asked for help instead of causing problems for another ship. |
Ah, but Bro, the "funny" part was only SECONDARY to the REAL message, which they couldn't have had at all without the Xyrillians "causing problems" for the NX-01--in a variety of ways. The point is, Archer and his crew were willing to look beyond even the most EXTREME of offenses--damage to their ship, pregnancy, the hours of decompression--because they had the patience to see that the aliens were well-meaning. They didn't rush to take offense and make an enemy, but rather talked it out with the aliens. Which Klingons don't do. I don't think the gist of Unexpected was to mainly play the pregnancy for laughs. There was a violation and a serious offense; that was the whole point in service of the larger message.  |
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May. 21 2010, 7:19 am
| Quote (tishkajaku @ May 21 2010, 12:24 am) | | ARCHER: Trip. (he knows to make sure of Trip's activities....not because Trip was hiding anything, just that Trip may not have considered all the possibilities...) |
Well-noted! That was a most singularly "loaded" line, and it was just one word. I DID get all that about their relationship from that inter-change. |
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May. 21 2010, 8:46 pm
| Quote (grigori @ May 21 2010, 7:17 am) | | Quote (BrotherofShran01 @ May 21 2010, 5:34 am) | | Even thought there were some funny moments, it was not really worth it. As far as the Xyrillians, they were okay. they could have asked for help instead of causing problems for another ship. |
Ah, but Bro, the "funny" part was only SECONDARY to the REAL message, which they couldn't have had at all without the Xyrillians "causing problems" for the NX-01--in a variety of ways.
The point is, Archer and his crew were willing to look beyond even the most EXTREME of offenses--damage to their ship, pregnancy, the hours of decompression--because they had the patience to see that the aliens were well-meaning. They didn't rush to take offense and make an enemy, but rather talked it out with the aliens.
Which Klingons don't do.
I don't think the gist of Unexpected was to mainly play the pregnancy for laughs. There was a violation and a serious offense; that was the whole point in service of the larger message. |
Where I do not wholly disagree with you g. I feel that an advance race like the Xyrillians should have learned their lesson after dealing with Archer and crew. All they had to do was send out a message for help. I doubt that the Klingons would be willing to help, but if they offer something to trade or offer some type of entertainment service for technical services rendered, maybe they could receive the help they needed. |
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May. 21 2010, 10:54 pm
Yes, but there may be all KINDS of cultural norms informing the behavior of the Xyrillians, why they approach solutions more secretively and indirectly, things we cannot imagine. (They must have a reason for possessing stealth, although they aren't war-like.) They're alien, but Archer gives them the benefit of the doubt, while the Klingons don't.
TRENA'L (Xyrillian): I hope your mission hasn't been overly delayed.
ARCHER: Getting a chance to meet other species is our mission.
VOROK (Klingon): These aliens violated our security and disrupted our systems. Both are considered acts of war against the Empire.
To Archer and his crew, it's the Klingons whose aggressive and unyielding behavior REALLY doesn't make any sense. We just don't see that part of the story so readily because WE know all about Klingons and their cultural norms, including why they behave the way they do.
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May. 24 2010, 9:10 pm
| Quote (DrGojira @ May 24 2010, 9:01 pm) | | How could a type of rape not enter your mind while watching this episode? |
That's one way of looking at it...... |
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May. 25 2010, 2:52 am
| Quote (DrGojira @ May 25 2010, 9:01 am) | | How could a type of rape not enter your mind while watching this episode? |
Date Rape?  |
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May. 25 2010, 8:30 am
I didn't think of it as rape either when I watched it. Even after reading the discussions here, I still don't.
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May. 25 2010, 1:00 pm
Sure Trip felt violated to an extent, who wouldn't, but it's a lesson for us about the attitude with which the NX-01 met alien species: they took the violation in the spirit in which it was intended: and it WAS "unexpected". No intentions to do harm riding stealth in their wake, and no intention to harm Trip. Therefore, no reason to respond with force.
Because cultural misunderstandings are going to happen, and some are going to be pretty extreme. Klingons don't "get" that, humans do.
What's a bit funny is that Archer has all kinds of patience for misunderstandings with well-meaning species who have patience right back, but he sure chafes at the Kreetassans, who aren't as "cosmopolitan" and generous of spirit with new cultures.
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May. 25 2010, 10:08 pm
| Quote (Yanks @ May 25 2010, 9:01 pm) | | Quote (grigori @ May 25 2010, 1:00 pm) | Sure Trip felt violated to an extent, who wouldn't, but it's a lesson for us about the attitude with which the NX-01 met alien species: they took the violation in the spirit in which it was intended: and it WAS "unexpected". No intentions to do harm riding stealth in their wake, and no intention to harm Trip. Therefore, no reason to respond with force.
Because cultural misunderstandings are going to happen, and some are going to be pretty extreme. Klingons don't "get" that, humans do.
What's a bit funny is that Archer has all kinds of patience for misunderstandings with well-meaning species who have patience right back, but he sure chafes at the Kreetassans, who aren't as "cosmopolitan" and generous of spirit with new cultures. |
Exactly G.
I would have let Porthos keep pi$$ing on the the Kreetassans' trees.
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They should have had signs: "These trees are not to be peed upon." |
