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Star Trek Generations WORST MOVIE EVER

Matthias Russell

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Report this Jun. 09 2011, 4:18 am

The new book, Watching the Clock explains the Department of Temporal Investigations and does a good job explaining the concept of AU.  I just wish star trek would quit playing the time travel and AU cards.  They were cool in TOS but they started watering down good stories and getting kinda silly as the franchise has progressed.

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Report this Jun. 09 2011, 5:31 am

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It does seem like such an easy thing to do, just to
throw the fans a bone with a line of dialogue like that.
I think in the last movie though, J.J. probably felt he
had already given TOO MUCH thought to the hard-core fans
by not pushing what he did even further. He certainly
wanted to. But it had to look like TOS. It had to smell
like TOS. Making one more consession in any area must've
seemed like another retreat. I would've resisted it, myself.


Kornula

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Report this Jun. 09 2011, 12:15 pm

Generations?  the worst Trek film??  Really??


 


I thought the remake of The Wrath of Khan.. er..Nemsis was the worst Trek film

2takesfrakes

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Report this Jun. 09 2011, 8:03 pm

You may yet get your wish, dear!
We shall have to see how this sequel
plays itself out. In the meantime, to get
us back on the subject of GENERATIONS:


TOS's first movie was allowed to have no
references to the series it came from. But
TNG had to have Shatner swimming in their
Kool-ade. I believe Marina was annoyed,
herself. Didn't it bother you?


Shatner, bloated, with eyes bloodshot and
squinty, even then ... intruding on MY show!


OtakuJo

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Report this Jun. 09 2011, 9:16 pm

Quote: Matthias Russell @ Jun. 09 2011, 4:18 am

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>The new book, Watching the Clock explains the Department of Temporal Investigations and does a good job explaining the concept of AU.  I just wish star trek would quit playing the time travel and AU cards.  They were cool in TOS but they started watering down good stories and getting kinda silly as the franchise has progressed.

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As I say, the respective quality of time travel / AU stories really depends on what they do with them.


Example: Trials & Tribbleations and First Contact are both very good time-travel stories. Few people would argue that In a Mirror Darkly sucks, but Shattered Mirror (much as I love DS9 and really loved the first Crossover ep.) is a little too much. I know people will disagree with me, and that really just proves that we all have different views, and that opinions are subjective.


Have you ever danced with a Tribble in the pale moonlight?

2takesfrakes

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Report this Jun. 10 2011, 5:21 am

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>Yes too bad that TNG had to finally acknowledge that there was a Star Trek series that preceded it. Too bad indeed. TNG was mentioned in VOY without Kate Mulgrew tearing up.


You have a singular wit, dear. Why can't you, quite simply, love TNG ... as much as I?


And you're right about Kirk becoming too Shatnerish, in the later-going. But I blame
Nick Meyer for that one. Though he says he was made to watch TOS, in preperation for
STAR TREK 2, I seriously doubt he paid it much attention. In fact, he's fond of saying how
he made Shatner do take after take until he gave a more behavioral kind of performance.
So, Shatner, I guess, decided OK "this" is how to play "Movie Kirk" and just stuck with that.


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Report this Jul. 11 2011, 11:47 am

Watched this again last night (it was on E4) not having seen it in a while.


Whilst the various aspects of it that always pissed me off were still very evident (Worf's irritating sailing ship scene / Data and his infuriating emotion chip - which the audience wearies of well before even long-suffering Geordie / Kirk's shabby demise), I have to say in reality it isn't at all bad in totality. Certainly not deserving quite as much derision as many here continue to heap on it.


OK - it's not one of the best - but it certainly isn't the worst of TNG films.


I still like the intro with the bottle of Dom Perignon 2255 spinning through the void ... that was a neat touch.


BTW - why was Tuvok on the bridge without his ears?

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Report this Aug. 12 2011, 4:47 am

No....Nemesis was the worst followed closely by TMP, TFF and I.

xerobane

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Report this Oct. 07 2011, 6:01 pm

Worst movie ever?  Certainly not.  I enjoyed it despite its shortcomings. 


I'm a pretty enthusiastic Trek fan (every series and movie, not just one or two in particular) and I have no problem atmitting that EVERY Trek episode or movie has something wrong with it -minor or major- so GEN having flaws isn't something new.


I'm not going to bother bringing up every single issue I had with GEN since most have already been addressed (and subsequently haggled-over several times) here.  But one thing that I wondered is... Soran got sucked into the Nexus along with Guinan 80-odd years ago.  How does Guinan know who Soran is and what he's been up to ever since then?  Was he someone of note (or notoriety) in their society and all El-Aurians knew about him or does she know because they were somehow telepathically connected while in the Nexus together?  Better question still.... if an "echo" of Guinan is still in the Nexus, even though she is no longer there, then why couldn't Kirk and/or Picard have tried to find an "echo" of Soran in there and try to press for more information?  


This is why the Nexus was just so riddled with holes.

2takesfrakes

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Report this Oct. 20 2011, 3:31 pm

Because you love this thread, dear. That's why ...


 


OtakuJo

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Report this Oct. 20 2011, 6:12 pm

I'm going to envision the Guinan-echo as being a figment of Picard's imagination -- no more "real" than his faux-family all gathered round for Christmas. Not about to overthink what her presence is supposed to "mean", though, because that would be as futile an exercise as dream interpretation.


Of course, that theory kind of falls apart a bit with Picard meeting Kirk and taking him back; but then Kirk, unlike Guinan, was really in the Nexus too.


I don't think it was too uber-powerful or anything like that. There have been other things in the Trek universe to equal that kind of power.


Just a thought.


In my opinion the most recent contestant for the WORST MOVIE EVER title that I sat through was one entitled "Epic Movie" ~~ and whatever badness is in "Generations" or indeed any Trek movie so far does not even come close to that little stinker!


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OtakuJo

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Report this Oct. 22 2011, 7:42 pm

Well yeah. Perhaps it's a mistake but it's our mistake to make. Personally wherever possible I prefer to spend my time enjoying bad movies rather than despising them.


ps. Compared to Epic Movie, Generations is a masterpiece. Trust me!


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