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May. 17 2010, 1:16 pm
I accidentally voted 10 when I meant, like, 6/7. The concept for the plot was cool at the end, making an ally in the nick of time, and it had some REALLY NICE small touches along the way as Yx describes, but overall it was so-so. Hoshi was given a learning arc just like everyone else, though the more experienced Trek fan is surely going to wonder: why the hell didn't our crew know about Klingons and Andorians before setting out?! and hasn't Hoshi been trained in these situations, just like other Starfleet personnel? even if she IS a special case--a specialist. We DID get the same sort of thing with Troi (bursting into tears all the time in the beginning--really?) Well, they straightened both women out eventually.  Very good character development moments. If you care about that, it makes a so-so plot salvageable. EXCELLENT kick-off again, Yx! |
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May. 17 2010, 2:49 pm
I recall this episode.
Like most ENT episodes, I've only seen it once. I don't recall being particularly pleased with it. I recall it being a standard ST character building show.
Character is down (Westly can't get a break. Seven not fitting in, Dr Bashir second in class)
Bad things happen and character is ready to throw in the towel (Tasha crying in penalty box)
Just when needed most character comes through (Stops bomb with 2 seconds remaining...etc)
We all knew she was going to come through it. There was little real tension. Still, can't say it was a bad episode, just a bit predictable. I gave it a 6 but that might be a bit nice of me.
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May. 17 2010, 3:23 pm
| Quote (Yanks @ May 17 2010, 12:12 am) | | Quote (kludge77 @ May 17 2010, 2:49 pm) | I recall this episode.
Like most ENT episodes, I've only seen it once. I don't recall being particularly pleased with it. I recall it being a standard ST character building show.
Character is down (Westly can't get a break. Seven not fitting in, Dr Bashir second in class)
Bad things happen and character is ready to throw in the towel (Tasha crying in penalty box)
Just when needed most character comes through (Stops bomb with 2 seconds remaining...etc)
We all knew she was going to come through it. There was little real tension. Still, can't say it was a bad episode, just a bit predictable. I gave it a 6 but that might be a bit nice of me. |
True, very rarely doe a main character "fail". We've seen it a couple times, but the results or impact is usually temporary. But we know that going in. It's the same in most all TV series, (SCI-FI or not)
I try to clear the old head and start a new with each series. Some of the Enterprise episodes were obvious re-hashes, but only a couple times did I think of that while watching the episode. (most of them I've learned about here)
Definitely a Hoshi episode, I just wish there were more for her.
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Again these types of episodes are necessary episodes, but it seemed to me like they were trying to hard to force Hoshi on us. Tucker, TPol and Archer were just such a part of the show that we got to see them grow in every episode. Hoshi, Reed and Mayweather were on the perimeter and had to have 'in your face episodes' to show that they were growing too. The show was true to is TOS aims and made a tight knit trio. I feel that may have been at the expense of the other cast members. As far as Hoshi growth episodes, what about the one on the Klingon ship in the gas giant. A better story line with character growth on the edge of the story and not the main focus. I just think it works better when it's less noticeable. |
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May. 17 2010, 5:33 pm
I gave it an 8. I found this episode to be quite enjoyable and I really sympathize with Hoshi's discomfort onboard a ship she never signed up for. I also enjoyed the last bit with the ship being saved at the last minute.  Archer: "Come on, Travis. We've got to find Mr. Reed something to blow up!" |
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May. 17 2010, 6:22 pm
I choose not to vote for this one. Yanks, you did a good job giving you view on the episode. I'm not use to seeing a starship not ready to do battle against a possible foe. I see the mistakes written into the movie Generations about the Enterprise B and I hate Generations. I know that they are explorers, but early Earth explorers (on land) had guns and they made sure that they worked. The explorers knew how to use them.
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May. 17 2010, 6:34 pm
| Quote (Yanks @ May 17 2010, 6:26 pm) | | Quote (BrotherofShran01 @ May 17 2010, 6:22 pm) | | I choose not to vote for this one. Yanks, you did a good job giving you view on the episode. I'm not use to seeing a starship not ready to do battle against a possible foe. I see the mistakes written into the movie Generations about the Enterprise B and I hate Generations. I know that they are explorers, but early Earth explorers (on land) had guns and they made sure that they worked. The explorers knew how to use them. |
Unfavorable reviews are welcome as well bro. I understand that view point, but do we have one weapon on the space station or the space shuttle? |
I would say no, but with our government...you never know.  |
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May. 17 2010, 7:11 pm
| Quote (Yanks @ May 17 2010, 7:01 pm) | | Quote (BrotherofShran01 @ May 17 2010, 6:34 pm) | | Quote (Yanks @ May 17 2010, 6:26 pm) | | Quote (BrotherofShran01 @ May 17 2010, 6:22 pm) | | I choose not to vote for this one. Yanks, you did a good job giving you view on the episode. I'm not use to seeing a starship not ready to do battle against a possible foe. I see the mistakes written into the movie Generations about the Enterprise B and I hate Generations. I know that they are explorers, but early Earth explorers (on land) had guns and they made sure that they worked. The explorers knew how to use them. |
Unfavorable reviews are welcome as well bro. I understand that view point, but do we have one weapon on the space station or the space shuttle? |
I would say no, but with our government...you never know. ? |
Actually, I remember see a show on the Discover Channel of the like and wasn't there a pistol on one of the Apollo missions? |
I just did a Google search. So far, I would say no. I would not rule out any laser weapon though. |
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May. 17 2010, 10:30 pm
| Quote (Yanks @ May 17 2010, 1:57 pm) | | As for the Klingons and Andorians. I believe the only real "exchange" on info was in the "Inter-species Medical Exchange". I believe the Vulcans held every thing else back (including helping them with Archer's engine). That, and Archer is always asking T'Pol to look in "that" or "her" Vulcan data-base. Not sure Archer or Star Fleet had much info before they left. |
I think you're probably right; I wondered if that wasn't the case. The Vulcans only gave out info about the Klingons when it was needed. I can believe that that's the only way Archer and company got a glimpse at the Vulcan database, and after that, they just got to keep using it. Still, if Vulcans really wanted to "protect" humans from themselves, they should've warned them about Klingons & Romulans once they saw Earth was serious about sending the NX-01 out there. (Or maybe those 2 species were too far out there for them to think Earth might encounter them any time soon.) But Andoria's right on Earth's doorstep, and we see the Vulcans didn't tell humans about THEM because they were covering up the "embarrassing" fact that these so-called Vulcan pacifists who "minded their own business and advised Earth do the same" actually had an unresolved conflict going on out there! Yeh, these Vulcans were less than consistent in their dealings with other species, and definitely more culturally conflicted than those in Kirk's time. |
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May. 18 2010, 12:36 am
I gave this episode a 7. It was a good story, but not a great one. The characters were being developed for us, and while it was well done and well acted, that type of story is usually less compelling in its nature, to no fault of anyone.
I liked the way Archer makes a point of getting input and chats with all his people, listens to them and takes their concerns, requests, and ideas into consideration. We also find out early on as an audience, that Archer will be captain on site with all the away missions, not delegating to his first officer....a hands on, first in last out kind of leader.
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May. 18 2010, 12:50 pm
| Quote (tishkajaku @ May 18 2010, 12:36 am) | | I liked the way Archer makes a point of getting input and chats with all his people, listens to them and takes their concerns, requests, and ideas into consideration...Archer will be captain on site with all the away missions, not delegating to his first officer....a hands on, first in last out kind of leader. |
You, Yx and I liked this about Archer: the team-player approach. Yet it enrages others. Even though Kirk was always on the scene. This is TV, folks! Your Trek Captain is SUPPOSED to be in the mix. Besides, what skills was he even chosen for, if not this? Back to BB, it was nice to see T'Pol get down and dirty with the crew on away missions as well, even though it wasn't her mission, and she said she was only an observer. |
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May. 18 2010, 1:44 pm
It made sense that Archer would be a hands-on captain when it came to dealing with situations. Kirk was that way and Star fleet didn't have any kind of dictate against that yet.
As to Hoshi, I totally sympathized with her feelings. Her reactions were understandable for someone who was talked into joining the mission and did not have the same training/background as the rest of the crew.
As yanks wrote, we learned much more about the secondary crew characters in ENT than we ever did about Uhura, Scott, Sulu, and Chekov.
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May. 18 2010, 3:20 pm
This is what makes Enterprise such a good series. The power trio Archer/T'Pol/Tucker at the nucleus of most storylines, with interweaving of the other four (five if we include Porthos! ) characters being developed. I think this provided the audience with a familial connection to this particular crew, gave us a direct link to them, their history, and their lives, and made us care about their trials and triumphs. They were so much like us.
Another really nice background note....the people playing crew members behind the dialogue were 'regulars' even though few had speaking parts. I did like seeing them on the bridge, in the corridors, saying 'HI' to the regulars, working in the various areas of the ship and visiting the the mess hall for dinners or movies. Two of my favorites were a tall dark haired man usually at Reed's post when he was gone, and a red haired woman in engineering or the back of the bridge.
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May. 19 2010, 7:12 pm
| Quote (grigori @ May 18 2010, 10:50 am) | | Quote (tishkajaku @ May 18 2010, 12:36 am) | | I liked the way Archer makes a point of getting input and chats with all his people, listens to them and takes their concerns, requests, and ideas into consideration...Archer will be captain on site with all the away missions, not delegating to his first officer....a hands on, first in last out kind of leader. |
You, Yx and I liked this about Archer: the team-player approach. Yet it enrages others. Even though Kirk was always on the scene. This is TV, folks! Your Trek Captain is SUPPOSED to be in the mix. Besides, what skills was he even chosen for, if not this?
Back to BB, it was nice to see T'Pol get down and dirty with the crew on away missions as well, even though it wasn't her mission, and she said she was only an observer. |
I also enjoyed that about Archer and Kirk. Back in their times, Space was akin to the "Wild West" and like the wild west, the leader's were often on-the-scene and right in the thick of it. Unlike the 24th century captains who treated space like it was a super highway or something. |
