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russell.waddel1345

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Report this Jan. 15 2011, 8:43 pm

Wow, this board went downhill FAST.  Jeez, the posters in here are still in elementary school!  Let's get back to the question at hand:


Does Star Wars win, or does Trek?  Well, that is an interesting hypothesis.  One must consider the battlefield.


Home Galaxy(AKA Milky Way)-Does the Force work as strong here?  Has anyone asked that question of Geroge Lucas?  If it doesn't, then the Federation might have an advantage.  Otherwise, Capt. Picard and Company might find themselves losing quickly if Vader force chokes half the bridge crew!  Not to mention blowing up the main comp.


Wars Galaxy(did it even have a name?)-Definite home advantage for the Empire, New Republic, Old Republic, Whatever.  Most of the time the guys on the Enterprise would be cataloging new planets.  They would be ambushed a half-a-dozen times before they even got to the first outlying system!


Now for armaments:


I think Wars outdoes Trek for one reason: Sheer firepower.  Someone mentioned if the Borg Cube would be able to take on the Death Star.  Well, I would have to say that one goes to the Death Star.  Even if the Borg could get by the defenses (which they probably would), the sheer number of Star Destroyers, TIE fighters (of all kinds) and the Superlaser would just downright kill the cube.  I think that the cube would get as far as Superlaser range, and then just be vaporized.  Who knows...


Next-Ships:


I think that if the Federation had a bunch of ships like the Defiant, Reliant etc, I think they would be able to handle a starfighter screen.  Ships like the Enterprise-E and the Voyager would be able to handle the star destroyers and ships like the Millenium Falcon.  I think where wars would have an advantage would be the sheer number of Turbolasers on the actual star destroyers.  They have many batteries that would pound ships like that.  When you look at the BOE, the Empire CLEARLY had the advantage.  The thing that threw off the troops on the planet was the Ewoks.  They have a clear advantage in numbers (ala Avatar).  The only thing I would also say is that if the Empire could board ships like the Enterprise, I think that they would win in combat that way.  Only because they would be in tight quarters (ala Tantive 4 battle in EP4).  The security teams would be overwhelmed.  On a space station like DS9, the Imperial Troops would lose HARDCORE because they would have more security teams that are trained to repel the sheer number of boarders the Inperials would deliver.


 


There's my 2cents for this discussion.  Probably late, but I would like to say it anyway.

Camorite

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Report this Jan. 15 2011, 9:20 pm

interesting points russle, but there are things that you didn't take into consideration.

First off is Cloaking technology. Trek Cloaks are superiror in every way to SW cloaks, as first off, and most importantly, they can actually see outside of the cloak while the SW cloak cuts the ship off from everything that is happening outside the field. There is also the varaiety of cloaks, including the Phasing cloak that would allow, say, either a Defiant class ship or even a Runabout to enter an enemy ship, and again either beam out explosives or gut the ship from the inside without much problem.

Second are the force fields that every starship has in case of decompression, or to cut off intruders. Now i may be wrong on this, but SW ships don't seem to have these inner shields (All that we saw on the DS in New Hope were blast doors).

Third are the Transporters. With the ease of inner ship beamings it would not be all that hard (in theory) to beam enemy soldiers either out into space, back onto their ship, or even to a holding area. We have also seen that a weapon can be disabled during trasnport as well.

So in the end ships in the trek universe are not as easy to take as you might have thought russel.

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Report this Jan. 16 2011, 10:39 am

This is a choice I can't make. Star Trek and Star Wars, are excellent sci-fi sagas in their own rights. Each concept is unique, and I like them both equally, for different reasons. There are others too that rate well from their unique concepts for space faring civilizations. So I'll say Dead Heat for ST and SW. They're both great.

General,Veers

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Report this Jan. 16 2011, 3:24 pm

Star Trek is pure science fiction as to Star wars its Science Fantasy . I like them both for those very reasons.

switcherdawna

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Report this Jan. 22 2011, 5:35 pm

Interesting comparison....


Death Star is a giant ball                                       -                          Borg had a giant cube


Star Wars had blasters                                          -                          Star Trek has Phasers


Obiwan Kenobi had Jar Jar Binks                            -                               Picard had Wesley


Pricess Leia and Hans Solo                                  -                                Riker and Deanna


C3PO                                                         -                                                     Data


... galaxy far, far away,....                             -                             base at San Francisco


Millenium Falcon                                            -                                     Saucer section


Yoda                                                             -                                            tribbles


Chewbacca                                                        -                                              Worf


Jabba the Hut's green Twi'lek dancer                    -                            green Orion slave girl


circular chess game with action holographic pieces                -              three dimensional chess


Obiwan overseeing Luke's training                    -                  Captain Pike overseeing Kirk's training


 


 

Camorite

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Report this Jan. 23 2011, 7:06 am

Obiwan overseeing Luke's training                    -                  Captain Pike overseeing Kirk's training


a better comparison for this, at least imo, would be:


Obi-Wan teaching luke about the force - Picard Treaching data about humanity


especially since we really don't know how invilved Pike was in Kirks training at the acadomy during the last movie.


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Report this Mar. 21 2011, 9:51 pm

Quote: switcherdawna @ Jan. 22 2011, 5:35 pm

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>Interesting comparison....

>Death Star is a giant ball                                       -                          Borg had a giant cube

>Star Wars had blasters                                          -                          Star Trek has Phasers

>Obiwan Kenobi had Jar Jar Binks                            -                               Picard had Wesley

>Pricess Leia and Hans Solo                                  -                                Riker and Deanna

>C3PO                                                         -                                                     Data

>... galaxy far, far away,....                             -                             base at San Francisco

>Millenium Falcon                                            -                                     Saucer section

>Yoda                                                             -                                            tribbles

>Chewbacca                                                        -                                              Worf

>Jabba the Hut's green Twi'lek dancer                    -                            green Orion slave girl

>circular chess game with action holographic pieces                -              three dimensional chess

>Obiwan overseeing Luke's training                    -                  Captain Pike overseeing Kirk's training

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Haaaaaaaa.......... Chewbacca and Worf.......... LOL...........


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Report this Mar. 22 2011, 1:37 pm

Star Wars is the same I think Star Trek delivers somthing new everytime


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Report this Mar. 22 2011, 2:41 pm

Since I was a boy of 6 I was a Star Wars fan; I'd seen the films at a very young age and had much SW merchandise. My fav character was C-3PO. When they re-released the originals in the mid 90's I went to see all three again. I bought more SW merchandise by the year and subscribed to SW magazine. When the 1st prequel was announced I was ecstatic. I bought dozens of Ep. 1 merchandise and saw the film for my birthday. I enjoyed it, even though many adults called it mediocre. I believe I was about 13 at this time. I got the Epidsode 1 visual dictionary and flipped through it every chance I got. Then Episode 2 came out. I know I saw it, but I barely remember a scene and I've never seen it again. I bought no Episode 2 merchandise whatsoever. When Episode 3 came out I saw it out of force of habit, and hated every second of it. From there on out, outside of SW: Battlefront 2, which is a great game actually, I had nothing to do with Star Wars. Then I won letter of the month in Toyfare magazine #143 about 2 years ago, but had deleted the initial email telling me to claim my prize along with so much junk mail. A few months later, August 2009 to be exact, I get a 2nd email, surpirsed to find I'd won something, and immediately claimed my prize. I ordered Toyfare #143 (which had a Star Wars cover) to find out exactly what prize I was claiming. I had won a Reelart Studio Buck Rogers statue, valued at around $300. I couldn't wait to get the prize.  But I kept waiting. And waiting, and waiting. I sent several emails going back and forth for nearly a year, civilly inquiring about my prize. Someone from Toyfare magazine later informes me the Buck Rogers statue is no longer available, and asks me to give her a list of franchises I like so they can send me something else. No where on the list did I mention Star Wars. Months later I receive a large package on my doorstep, and I know it's my prize. I open it up to find it is a 19" Diamond Select Obi-Wan Kenobi, valued at $80. I send a genuine thank you email to the person from Toyfare who coordinated with me, as I did not want to seem ungrateful. The editor of the magazine sends me an email asking me if the prize is acceptable and says if it is not they will send me something else. At the time I was ambivalent about the prize itself, but I also knew that if I said it was unnacceptable and sent it back, it would be another year of waiting. So I kept it, and every so often my d-bag twin brother looks at it sitting in my curio cabinet and says "you don't even like Star Wars anymore," or "the Buck Rogers statue would have been way cooler," and it eats away at me day after day after day after day. I know what you're thinking; "but McCoyfan45, any kid in a third world country would love to have a 19" inch Diamond Select talking Obi-wan Kenobi figure." But you know what? They didn't go through all the pain and suffering I did when George Lucas broke my heart ! Now the Obi-wan doll stares at me and mocks me like that creepy clown doll from Poltergeist. Also, it's very accurately based upon Sir Alec Guinness, who famously hated his involvement in the Star Wars franchise with a passion. Also, I recently read this, http://www.cracked.com/article_19043_6-classic-series-you-didnt-know-were-made-up-fly.html, which confirms my suspicion that the prequels were probably written in about an hour in the mid 1990's, not the bullsh t Lucas floats around that he wrote the prequels prior to the initial 3 films but lacked the budget and FX to film them.


So yes, I'm currently a Star Trek fan, specifically TOS, I've seen every classic episode, and I know Roddenbury won't betray me like Lucas, because he's dead (Lucas is, however, dead to me on the inside).


P.S. I did love all 3 Robot Chicken SW specials, because they made me laugh at how stupid SW is. That's all Star Wars ever was, a big friggin' joke.

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Report this Mar. 22 2011, 9:35 pm

I love Star Trek and Star Wars but I am a Trekker first simply put Lucas had way too much on his plate.  He could create interesting characters for us to fall in love with but that was it they had no depth no history except the leads. In Trek Roddenberry truly created a galaxy. I mean come on a klingon to english dictionary really exists. The races of people we meet in Trek have a background a history etc. Star Wars is nice but Trek has my heart!


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Report this Mar. 22 2011, 10:38 pm

Quote: Shouna @ Mar. 22 2011, 9:35 pm

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>I love Star Trek and Star Wars but I am a Trekker first simply put Lucas had way too much on his plate.  He could create interesting characters for us to fall in love with but that was it they had no depth no history except the leads. In Trek Roddenberry truly created a galaxy. I mean come on a klingon to english dictionary really exists. The races of people we meet in Trek have a background a history etc. Star Wars is nice but Trek has my heart!

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I want to quote you on that! "Star Wars is nice but Trek has my heart!"


Well I don't even like Star Wars that much, well not at all really, but that's a really good excuse for someone who likes both. Good job! LOL


 


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Report this Mar. 24 2011, 5:02 am

Quote: janewayjunkie74656 @ Mar. 22 2011, 10:38 pm

Quote: Shouna @ Mar. 22 2011, 9:35 pm

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>I love Star Trek and Star Wars but I am a Trekker first simply put Lucas had way too much on his plate.  He could create interesting characters for us to fall in love with but that was it they had no depth no history except the leads. In Trek Roddenberry truly created a galaxy. I mean come on a klingon to english dictionary really exists. The races of people we meet in Trek have a background a history etc. Star Wars is nice but Trek has my heart!

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I want to quote you on that! "Star Wars is nice but Trek has my heart!"

Well I don't even like Star Wars that much, well not at all really, but that's a really good excuse for someone who likes both. Good job! LOL

 


Ya, Star Trek always 'stuck' but Star Wars, not so much.  One thing that srayed me away from it was Luke.  To me he was a BAD actor/character in all.


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