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vulcan7

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Report this May. 14 2010, 11:38 pm

I have notice that Star wars seems to be more popular than trek is,no one would dare rebooted SWbut Trek is ok,notice now in the real science world they are inventing things that has been seen on star trek like the personal computer,the mobile phone,they havent even try to make a lightsaber or anything else from star trek,so why is star trek to some still think that it is still corny and for the nerds while star wars isnt?.

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Report this May. 15 2010, 12:20 am

star trek was more intellectual with technobabble and such. which is not what it's about it's about issues in modern times. the nerdy trek that's with berman era trek only TNG to VOY.  With the new trek we've done away with all of that so that even the normal joe can enjoy star trek.  More action, more drama, more pacing.  So if there are people that still think trek is nerdy watch TOS or the new star trek and tell me that stuff is nerdy.  Star wars was rebooted in a way with the prequels kind of twisting annakin and his origins. Clone wars cartoon is really a way to milk the series dry.  I mean how many stories can you tell about the freakin clone wars.

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Report this May. 15 2010, 12:21 am

Star Wars is overall more popular because of space battles,lightsaber duels,magic ala the force.

Star Trek is more popular among scientists and such because it is more realistic and though provoking.

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Report this May. 16 2010, 8:19 am

Star Wars is more popular, but Star Trek will out last it.  There are no more Star wars movies coming out, nor even a rumor of one.  Star Trek's next movie is due to come out right before the world ends (LOL) in 2012.  

Star wars has a lot of kids interest (puppets, little Anakin, Jar-Jar) and the amount of toys out there...OMG that helps its popularity.

Star Trek Has already outlived Star Wars, Star wars will loose a lot of its popularity in the next 10 years while Trek should not (as long as the movies keep coming and if a new series comes out it doesnt suck).

You never know though... maybe 15 years from now they will start making Star Wars epsiodes 7, 8, & 9.  I would be first in line to see them (of course that is if Trek isn't on).

Dan NJ

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Report this May. 16 2010, 10:36 am

Quote (Batteryman @ May 16 2010, 8:19 am)
Star Wars is more popular, but Star Trek will out last it. ¿There are no more Star wars movies coming out, nor even a rumor of one. ¿Star Trek's next movie is due to come out right before the world ends (LOL) in 2012. ¿

Star wars has a lot of kids interest (puppets, little Anakin, Jar-Jar) and the amount of toys out there...OMG that helps its popularity.

Star Trek Has already outlived Star Wars, Star wars will loose a lot of its popularity in the next 10 years while Trek should not (as long as the movies keep coming and if a new series comes out it doesnt suck).

You never know though... maybe 15 years from now they will start making Star Wars epsiodes 7, 8, & 9. ¿I would be first in line to see them (of course that is if Trek isn't on).

Dan NJ

that's true I mean it's the dang toys that helped boost star wars in popularity.  Well guess what trek has those too now so I'm guessin star trek will be at star wars level popularity now.

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Report this May. 16 2010, 12:05 pm

Two new Star Wars series are on the horizon...

One is supposed to be a comedy, with Seth Green (Robot Chicken) serving as executive producer.

Another is supposed to occur just after the events of Return of the Jedi. This was the one that was rumored to be live-action. However, I have also heard it might end up being animated.

Just fyi.

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Report this May. 16 2010, 8:08 pm

Quote (TheDriver @ May 16 2010, 9:05 am)
One is supposed to be a comedy, with Seth Green (Robot Chicken) serving as executive producer.

:sick: :sick:

Almost as bad as the creepy Ewok...



:sick: :sick:

:laugh:

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Report this May. 17 2010, 12:57 am

Quote (vulcan7 @ May 14 2010, 9:38 pm)
I have notice that Star wars seems to be more popular than trek is,no one would dare rebooted SWbut Trek is ok,notice now in the real science world they are inventing things that has been seen on star trek like the personal computer,the mobile phone,they havent even try to make a lightsaber or anything else from star trek,so why is star trek to some still think that it is still corny and for the nerds while star wars isnt?.

Isn't there a joke about how people go into physics to learn how to build a lightsaber of something? :laugh:

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Report this Jun. 01 2010, 12:10 am

I love how Treknerds who are supposedly understanding and tolerant take every opportunity to paint Star Wars fans and the SW franchise as uninspired, less intelligent, and not as sophisticated as their Star Trek counterparts. Even Trek fans who are not part of the "Vs. Culture" readily admit with no forethought that Star Trek is superior to Star Wars in every conceivable way, including when discussing something as subjective as entertainment value.

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Star Trek is more popular among scientists and such because it is more realistic and though provoking.


How anyone thinks that people who are educated in science would enjoy a show that routinely butchers scientific and engineering principles really boggles the mind. That's like saying doctors enjoy watching "House" because it sets the bar for professional behavior and medical ethics.

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Report this Jun. 01 2010, 4:10 am

Quote (Lucifer_ @ June 01 2010, 12:10 am)
I love how Treknerds who are supposedly understanding and tolerant take every opportunity to paint Star Wars fans and the SW franchise as uninspired, less intelligent, and not as sophisticated as their Star Trek counterparts. Even Trek fans who are not part of the "Vs. Culture" readily admit with no forethought that Star Trek is superior to Star Wars in every conceivable way, including when discussing something as subjective as entertainment value.

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Star Trek is more popular among scientists and such because it is more realistic and though provoking.


How anyone thinks that people who are educated in science would enjoy a show that routinely butchers scientific and engineering principles really boggles the mind. That's like saying doctors enjoy watching "House" because it sets the bar for professional behavior and medical ethics.


I am insulted and hate people like you who insult those that like Star Trek as you have with the Treknerd comment.Trekkie or Trekker is a establish term for someone who likes Star Trek so use it instead of insulting people with things like Treknerd or Trektard that I have seen used by pro Star Wars folk.

It is fact that a lot more people are drawn to science thanks to Star Trek compared to Star Wars.Star Wars is associated with Space Battles and Light Saber duals and magic via The Force (that is why it is generally more popular) wile Star Trek sparks the imagination of exploration of not just space but ourselves.

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Report this Jun. 01 2010, 4:30 pm

Quote (SLARAN @ June 01 2010, 4:10 am)
I am insulted and hate people like you who insult those that like Star Trek as you have with the Treknerd comment. Trekkie or Trekker is a establish term for someone who likes Star Trek so use it instead of insulting people with things like Treknerd or Trektard that I have seen used by pro Star Wars folk.

When Trek Nazis belittle me by insinuating that I am less intelligent or otherwise inferior by my virtue of being a fan of Star Wars, I have the right to call them whatever the hell I want.

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It is fact that a lot more people are drawn to science thanks to Star Trek compared to Star Wars....Star Trek sparks the imagination of exploration of not just space but ourselves.


While this may be true (the only evidence for this has been completely anecdotal), that does not invalidate the fact that Star Trek is scientifically inaccurate at times, to the point of lunacy. As a matter of fact, some of the most scientifically ignorant people in this world are Star Trek geeks who are so engrossed with their obsession that they are oblivious to real  world science, let alone other avenues of science fiction.

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Report this Jun. 01 2010, 4:45 pm

Quote (Lucifer_ @ June 01 2010, 12:10 am)
I love how Treknerds who are supposedly understanding and tolerant take every opportunity to paint Star Wars fans and the SW franchise as uninspired, less intelligent, and not as sophisticated as their Star Trek counterparts. Even Trek fans who are not part of the "Vs. Culture" readily admit with no forethought that Star Trek is superior to Star Wars in every conceivable way, including when discussing something as subjective as entertainment value.


How anyone thinks that people who are educated in science would enjoy a show that routinely butchers scientific and engineering principles really boggles the mind. That's like saying doctors enjoy watching "House" because it sets the bar for professional behavior and medical ethics.

I gotta disagree with you their buddy i like both but i enjoy trek more because it is not a simple story told in space, and cos after the first 2 wars movies that were very enjoyable it became all about merchandising tbh....

While both franchises butcher known physics regularly Trek has the burden of being about discovery and exploration so it is expected that its going to regularly claim things that actually are or are at this time considered impossible.

While im aware of a cult of star wars fans who think that they can explain their favorite franchise with "real science" from my perspective all they did was ignore canon comments about the power generation used in SW and then proceed to add as many zeros as needed to every statistic.

Need to build large ships?, ok lets make them from a material 600,000 times or more stronger than steel.

Need to propel those ships?, ok lets give the engines uber thrust.

Need to power those engines?, ok we need a reactor that can produce more power per day than we would get if we could turn the entire ship into energy....oh and we need to do that without refueling often or having 99% of our ship as a fuel tank.

THE LIST GOES ON.....

Now from what i can tell the star wars cult justify these requirements because some fanboi with a few qualifications told them that to achieve these results that is what they would need.

In doing so he created "proof" that star wars had these things in the minds of the cult who ignored the fact that he also pointed out the scientific impossibility of a lot of it......

So instead of looking for other answers we got left with a star wars cult that just adds several zeros onto anything they wish to and claims its accurate cos a "scientist said so"......

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Report this Jun. 01 2010, 6:42 pm

Quote (Kor_Dahar_Master @ June 01 2010, 4:45 pm)
While both franchises butcher known physics regularly Trek has the burden of being about discovery and exploration so it is expected that its going to regularly claim things that actually are or are at this time considered impossible.

I'm not talking about subspace or other made-up jargon for the show. They can't even get their real life units right:

-In "Survivors" Worf reported the Ent-D being hit with 400 gigawatts of particle energy. Gigawatts are a unit of power, not energy.

-The Star Trek:Technical Manual expresses the power output of the Ent-D warp core in megajoules. Megajoules are a unit of energy, not power.

-The power output of Voyager's warp core was once expressed in units of "teradynes per second", a completely meaningless unit for power since teradynes are a unit of force.

The supposedly infallible Commander Data has repeatedly butchered units:

-In "The Loss" Data desribes stress in "kilodynes" which is force, not stress.

-In "True Q" Data expressed the power output of the warp core in units of "gigawatts per second" which is a completely meaningless unit for power. GW per second is power divided by time. A gigawatt already has a time component in it.

-In "Final Mission" Data describes units of force in "tons per meter" which is force per length and is completely meaningless. At least "tons per square meter" would be a meaningful unit (stress) but it still would not be force. Data might as well have described his own height in kilograms.

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....Need to propel those ships?, ok lets give the engines uber thrust.


Flight from the inner core to the outer rim was demonstrated on screen in the movies. This requires FTL velocities that can achieve intergalactic travel in the span of hours. Appealing to motive is a logical fallacy.

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Now from what i can tell the star wars cult justify these requirements because some fanboi with a few qualifications told them that to achieve these results that is what they would need.


I love how Trektards love to paint Curtis Saxton (no doubt the "fanboi" in question) as some kind of basement dweller whose sole purpose in his calcs for the ICS was to silence those darned Trekkies!! Never mind the fact that Dr. Saxton has never shown any interest in the vs. debate.

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So instead of looking for other answers we got left with a star wars cult that just adds several zeros onto anything they wish to and claims its accurate cos a "scientist said so"......


Calculations from people other than Dr. Saxton have yielded similar results. And once again, you appeal to motive, a logical fallacy.

Only a versus debate Trektard can muster this level of fingerpointing and accusation. Seriously, the superiority of Star Trek over anything Star Wars (real life and otherwise) is an obsession for some Trek fans. People like this are an embarrassment to the rest of Trek fandom because they don't want to be associated with obsessive-compulsives that have no goal in life other than what amounts to narcissistic masturbation.

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Report this Jun. 01 2010, 7:42 pm

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There, in Curtis Saxton's own words, how much his work has to do with the STvsSW debate.

If you want to debunk the EP2:ICS, go after Dr. Saxton's calculations, which are freely available on his website. Otherwise, deal with it. There's a reason why appealing to motive is a logical fallacy, especially when no motive can even be proven to exist.

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Report this Jun. 01 2010, 8:24 pm

Quote (Lucifer_ @ June 01 2010, 4:30 pm)
Quote (SLARAN @ June 01 2010, 4:10 am)
I am insulted and hate people like you who insult those that like Star Trek as you have with the Treknerd comment. Trekkie or Trekker is a establish term for someone who likes Star Trek so use it instead of insulting people with things like Treknerd or Trektard that I have seen used by pro Star Wars folk.

When Trek Nazis belittle me by insinuating that I am less intelligent or otherwise inferior by my virtue of being a fan of Star Wars, I have the right to call them whatever the hell I want.

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It is fact that a lot more people are drawn to science thanks to Star Trek compared to Star Wars....Star Trek sparks the imagination of exploration of not just space but ourselves.


While this may be true (the only evidence for this has been completely anecdotal), that does not invalidate the fact that Star Trek is scientifically inaccurate at times, to the point of lunacy. As a matter of fact, some of the most scientifically ignorant people in this world are Star Trek geeks who are so engrossed with their obsession that they are oblivious to real ?world science, let alone other avenues of science fiction.


I like both Star Trek and Star Wars so I know from personal experience as to why one is generally more popular and the other is more popular among a certain circle and it wasn't a deliberate attempt to insult unlike what you are continuing to do.

All Sci-Fi shows have inaccuracies in them.Their you go again with deliberate insults calling Trekkies geeks.Just because you like Star Trek doesn't make anyone a geek just like how if someone likes Star Wars doesn't make someone a geek.Stop already with these deliberate insults.

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