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When Picard took command of fleet...

Kdbtrekkin

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Report this May. 18 2010, 1:26 am

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Picard may also have been the most senior Captain in the group...

Or maybe no one else was stepping up to take charge so Picard said "follow me, boys..."

:logical:

true enough however he blantley stated "im taking command" as if all other captains could not contradict him on it

The other captains were too busy getting their a$$es handed to them to consider questioning Picard's leadership.

Interestingly enough, though...you'd think that the captains of the ships in that fleet would have known that Picard was explicitly ORDERED not to participate in the battle. It is a wee bit of a plot inconsistency that someone wouldn't have challenged him. In fact, you could even make the argument that Picard could have (and perhaps SHOULD have) been considered a serious security risk becuase he had been assimilated and could still "sense" the borg from time-to-time; and might have even been viewd as a threat at that moment.

Of course, with the Borg about to destroy the fleet and assimilate all of Earth, most of the captains probably figured this was their only hope!

I would say that order never should have been given, and the other captains recognized this. That and he probably was the most senior captain there, has the most experience with the Borg and Captain's Starfleets Flagship and most powerful ship.

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Report this May. 18 2010, 1:36 am

Actually, I just finished watching First Contact. I'd have to say the look on Worf's face after his helmsman told him it was the Enterprise warping in says it all. He was thinking the same thing everyone else was thinking, Picard is going to save our asses. Im surprised the fleet didn't respond with a "hell yes, take over."

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Report this May. 18 2010, 9:54 am

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I had a thought. ?Why did Picard have the authority to take command of the battle fleet? ?A captain does not outrank a captain..........so......here are some possibilities.

- The Enterprise is the flag ship of the Federation. ?This gives Picard a superior captains rank over other captains.

- From the Voyager episode "equinox" starfleet regulations stated that "in the absence of a flag officer (admiral or greater) in a battle situation, the captain who's vessel is tactically superior shall take command. ?When the enterprise arrived to the battle the admiral's ship had been destroyed and the E was the most advanced ship in the fleet thus he could take command.

- He did it cuz of his experience with the borg and he hoped other captains would defer to his judgement.

Simple, being the Enterprise -E is the flagship of the fleet, and has it's most experienced Captain and crew, Picard has vast knowledge and experience with the Borg, that is why he lead the fight.

If that is true, why did they leave him on picket duty on the Romulan Neutral Zone?

Why not just relieve him of command and put someone else in charge.

Starfleet still felt the Borg had some hold on Picard, even years after he was assimilated, so he had prove to them that's not the case, so with his tactical knowledge he was able to take charge of the fleet and save the Earth.

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Report this May. 18 2010, 6:49 pm

Quote (DammitJim6200 @ May 17 2010, 6:54 pm)
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I had a thought. ?Why did Picard have the authority to take command of the battle fleet? ?A captain does not outrank a captain..........so......here are some possibilities.

- The Enterprise is the flag ship of the Federation. ?This gives Picard a superior captains rank over other captains.

- From the Voyager episode "equinox" starfleet regulations stated that "in the absence of a flag officer (admiral or greater) in a battle situation, the captain who's vessel is tactically superior shall take command. ?When the enterprise arrived to the battle the admiral's ship had been destroyed and the E was the most advanced ship in the fleet thus he could take command.

- He did it cuz of his experience with the borg and he hoped other captains would defer to his judgement.

Simple, being the Enterprise -E is the flagship of the fleet, and has it's most experienced Captain and crew, Picard has vast knowledge and experience with the Borg, that is why he lead the fight.

If that is true, why did they leave him on picket duty on the Romulan Neutral Zone?

Why not just relieve him of command and put someone else in charge.

Starfleet still felt the Borg had some hold on Picard, even years after he was assimilated, so he had prove to them that's not the case, so with his tactical knowledge he was able to take charge of the fleet and save the Earth.

Yeah, but if they thought that, why didn't they include him in the battle initially?

I think it was desperation. They were getting their asses kicked and the way the fleet was looking at it, they had nothing to lose at that point.

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Report this May. 20 2010, 8:59 am

Points 1 and 2 sell it for me.
Both make sense within the established canon of the Prime timeline.

And as others have said any Captain that would of had a problem with it was in no position to step out of the crowd and say no.

I love it when dramatic scenes in a movie actually make sense from time to time :laugh:

And that was one of those times :cool:

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Report this May. 20 2010, 10:05 am

Starfleet Command also would not have made it public knowledge even among the battle fleets Captains that Picard wasn't included because of personal issues...

They would have seen the fleet deployment as X ships are to take part in the task force and X ships (including the Enterprise) are assigned to other duties.

So Picard showing up out of the blue when the battle is going badly wouldn't be so out of the ordinary. At least not anymore out of the ordinary than a Borg vessel beating the piss out of a large Fed fleet right off Earths orbit :laugh:

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Report this May. 30 2010, 5:43 pm

I'm surprise that Starfleet did not learn enough about a Borg cube from Picard after the Best of Both Worlds to defeat one.

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