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UtopiaPlanitia

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Report this May. 13 2010, 3:11 pm

I had a thought.  Why did Picard have the authority to take command of the battle fleet?  A captain does not outrank a captain..........so......here are some possibilities.

- The Enterprise is the flag ship of the Federation.  This gives Picard a superior captains rank over other captains.

- From the Voyager episode "equinox" starfleet regulations stated that "in the absence of a flag officer (admiral or greater) in a battle situation, the captain who's vessel is tactically superior shall take command.  When the enterprise arrived to the battle the admiral's ship had been destroyed and the E was the most advanced ship in the fleet thus he could take command.

- He did it cuz of his experience with the borg and he hoped other captains would defer to his judgement.

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Report this May. 13 2010, 3:33 pm

I think it's a combination of all three points you listed. But canonically it's the second point which counts most I guess.
The Enterprise was the only Sovereign-Class ship in this fleet which would make her the most advanced and powerful one.

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Report this May. 13 2010, 3:40 pm

Quote (starbase63 @ May 12 2010, 4:37 pm)
Picard may also have been the most senior Captain in the group...

Or maybe no one else was stepping up to take charge so Picard said "follow me, boys..."

:logical:

true enough however he blantley stated "im taking command" as if all other captains could not contradict him on it

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Report this May. 13 2010, 3:45 pm

Captains can be superior to other captains. If Picard had been a captain for more than twenty years, he would have seniority over Sisko, who had been a captain for only three years. Or whatever. That wouldn't stop an Admiral from promoting Sisko to a field rank (which happened in DS9), but in the absence of higher-ranking officers, the senior captain is in charge.

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Report this May. 13 2010, 5:07 pm

Quote (UtopiaPlanitia @ May 13 2010, 3:40 pm)
Quote (starbase63 @ May 12 2010, 4:37 pm)
Picard may also have been the most senior Captain in the group...

Or maybe no one else was stepping up to take charge so Picard said "follow me, boys..."

:logical:

true enough however he blantley stated "im taking command" as if all other captains could not contradict him on it

The other captains were too busy getting their a$$es handed to them to consider questioning Picard's leadership.

Interestingly enough, though...you'd think that the captains of the ships in that fleet would have known that Picard was explicitly ORDERED not to participate in the battle. It is a wee bit of a plot inconsistency that someone wouldn't have challenged him. In fact, you could even make the argument that Picard could have (and perhaps SHOULD have) been considered a serious security risk becuase he had been assimilated and could still "sense" the borg from time-to-time; and might have even been viewd as a threat at that moment.

Of course, with the Borg about to destroy the fleet and assimilate all of Earth, most of the captains probably figured this was their only hope!

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Report this May. 13 2010, 7:46 pm

I think it was a mixture of your second and third theories.

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Report this May. 13 2010, 8:25 pm

Considering that the Enterprise has always had a legacy of saving the day. So I am pretty certain that was a major point in their minds. Beyond that the Enterprise was the most powerful vessel there and quite simply, Picard had the most combined experience with the Borg of anyone there.

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Report this May. 13 2010, 10:53 pm

Because it's a movie, and that's how the writers wanted it to be.

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Report this May. 14 2010, 1:33 am

Quote (PhantomCrunk007 @ May 13 2010, 10:53 pm)
Because it's a movie, and that's how the writers wanted it to be.

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Report this May. 15 2010, 8:30 pm

Quote (Vger23 @ May 13 2010, 5:07 pm)
Quote (UtopiaPlanitia @ May 13 2010, 3:40 pm)
Quote (starbase63 @ May 12 2010, 4:37 pm)
Picard may also have been the most senior Captain in the group...

Or maybe no one else was stepping up to take charge so Picard said "follow me, boys..."

:logical:

true enough however he blantley stated "im taking command" as if all other captains could not contradict him on it

The other captains were too busy getting their a$$es handed to them to consider questioning Picard's leadership.

Interestingly enough, though...you'd think that the captains of the ships in that fleet would have known that Picard was explicitly ORDERED not to participate in the battle. It is a wee bit of a plot inconsistency that someone wouldn't have challenged him. In fact, you could even make the argument that Picard could have (and perhaps SHOULD have) been considered a serious security risk becuase he had been assimilated and could still "sense" the borg from time-to-time; and might have even been viewd as a threat at that moment.

Of course, with the Borg about to destroy the fleet and assimilate all of Earth, most of the captains probably figured this was their only hope!

This is the most sensible and obvious reason it would happen.

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Report this May. 15 2010, 10:07 pm

It was really a stretch of Star Fleet protocol for a captain ordered to stay out of the battle in the most advanced starship yet built..wait a minute, that in it's self doesn't make sense...any way to have him come riding in at the last moments to "save the day" in a rather predicable and unimpressive way was a stroke...not of genius on the part of the writers (if that's what you call them) but merely a stroke, because I think the writers and the rest of Trekdom by this point had a stroke.

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Report this May. 17 2010, 4:53 pm

Quote (UtopiaPlanitia @ May 12 2010, 4:11 pm)
I had a thought. ¿Why did Picard have the authority to take command of the battle fleet? ¿A captain does not outrank a captain..........so......here are some possibilities.

- The Enterprise is the flag ship of the Federation. ¿This gives Picard a superior captains rank over other captains.

- From the Voyager episode "equinox" starfleet regulations stated that "in the absence of a flag officer (admiral or greater) in a battle situation, the captain who's vessel is tactically superior shall take command. ¿When the enterprise arrived to the battle the admiral's ship had been destroyed and the E was the most advanced ship in the fleet thus he could take command.

- He did it cuz of his experience with the borg and he hoped other captains would defer to his judgement.

Simple, being the Enterprise -E is the flagship of the fleet, and has it's most experienced Captain and crew, Picard has vast knowledge and experience with the Borg, that is why he lead the fight.

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Report this May. 17 2010, 6:49 pm

Quote (DammitJim6200 @ May 17 2010, 1:53 am)
Quote (UtopiaPlanitia @ May 12 2010, 4:11 pm)
I had a thought. ?Why did Picard have the authority to take command of the battle fleet? ?A captain does not outrank a captain..........so......here are some possibilities.

- The Enterprise is the flag ship of the Federation. ?This gives Picard a superior captains rank over other captains.

- From the Voyager episode "equinox" starfleet regulations stated that "in the absence of a flag officer (admiral or greater) in a battle situation, the captain who's vessel is tactically superior shall take command. ?When the enterprise arrived to the battle the admiral's ship had been destroyed and the E was the most advanced ship in the fleet thus he could take command.

- He did it cuz of his experience with the borg and he hoped other captains would defer to his judgement.

Simple, being the Enterprise -E is the flagship of the fleet, and has it's most experienced Captain and crew, Picard has vast knowledge and experience with the Borg, that is why he lead the fight.

If that is true, why did they leave him on picket duty on the Romulan Neutral Zone?

Why not just relieve him of command and put someone else in charge.

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Report this May. 17 2010, 7:43 pm

Quote (PhantomCrunk007 @ May 17 2010, 6:49 pm)
Quote (DammitJim6200 @ May 17 2010, 1:53 am)
Quote (UtopiaPlanitia @ May 12 2010, 4:11 pm)
I had a thought. ?Why did Picard have the authority to take command of the battle fleet? ?A captain does not outrank a captain..........so......here are some possibilities.

- The Enterprise is the flag ship of the Federation. ?This gives Picard a superior captains rank over other captains.

- From the Voyager episode "equinox" starfleet regulations stated that "in the absence of a flag officer (admiral or greater) in a battle situation, the captain who's vessel is tactically superior shall take command. ?When the enterprise arrived to the battle the admiral's ship had been destroyed and the E was the most advanced ship in the fleet thus he could take command.

- He did it cuz of his experience with the borg and he hoped other captains would defer to his judgement.

Simple, being the Enterprise -E is the flagship of the fleet, and has it's most experienced Captain and crew, Picard has vast knowledge and experience with the Borg, that is why he lead the fight.

If that is true, why did they leave him on picket duty on the Romulan Neutral Zone?

Why not just relieve him of command and put someone else in charge.

Just more TNG Whimsical Story telling....but hey...it's that perfect prime time line that counts

:eyesroll:

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Report this May. 17 2010, 9:20 pm

Quote (UtopiaPlanitia @ May 13 2010, 3:11 pm)
I had a thought. ¿Why did Picard have the authority to take command of the battle fleet? ¿A captain does not outrank a captain..........so......here are some possibilities.

- The Enterprise is the flag ship of the Federation. ¿This gives Picard a superior captains rank over other captains.

- From the Voyager episode "equinox" starfleet regulations stated that "in the absence of a flag officer (admiral or greater) in a battle situation, the captain who's vessel is tactically superior shall take command. ¿When the enterprise arrived to the battle the admiral's ship had been destroyed and the E was the most advanced ship in the fleet thus he could take command.

- He did it cuz of his experience with the borg and he hoped other captains would defer to his judgement.

I would say the second reason listed was best, but all three are valid.

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