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Would Red Matter really have saved Romulus?

StationK7

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Report this May. 05 2010, 8:46 pm

I was reading another thread and it provoked this question - may have already been discussed...

The star that went supernova was the star that Romulus was orbiting, correct?  If so, even if Spock had succeeded and the star was turned into a black hole before destroying Romulus, could the planet have survived the loss of its primary energy source?

I mean, take the Sun out of our solar system.  How long does earth survive before freezing over?  Minutes?  Hours?  Days?

I suggest that there was no reason for Spock to consider himself having failed.  If ensuring the long-term survival of Romulus was 'success', the mission itself was destined for failure regardless of whether Spock successfully deployed the Red Matter or not.

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Report this May. 05 2010, 9:01 pm

Quote (StationK7 @ May 05 2010, 8:46 pm)
I was reading another thread and it provoked this question - may have already been discussed...

The star that went supernova was the star that Romulus was orbiting, correct? ¿If so, even if Spock had succeeded and the star was turned into a black hole before destroying Romulus, could the planet have survived the loss of its primary energy source?

I mean, take the Sun out of our solar system. ¿How long does earth survive before freezing over? ¿Minutes? ¿Hours? ¿Days?

I suggest that there was no reason for Spock to consider himself having failed. ¿If ensuring the long-term survival of Romulus was 'success', the mission itself was destined for failure regardless of whether Spock successfully deployed the Red Matter or not.

I wanted to know if the Vulcan and Romulan scientist knew the Romulan star was going to go nova, why did the Romulans start an immediate evacuation of Romulus?

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Report this May. 05 2010, 9:17 pm

It wasn't the Romulan star. It was the nearby star Hobus or Hopus or something. And it was magical because it could destroy the entire galaxy.

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Report this May. 05 2010, 10:52 pm

Quote (StationK7 @ May 05 2010, 8:46 pm)
I was reading another thread and it provoked this question - may have already been discussed...

The star that went supernova was the star that Romulus was orbiting, correct? ¿If so, even if Spock had succeeded and the star was turned into a black hole before destroying Romulus, could the planet have survived the loss of its primary energy source?

I mean, take the Sun out of our solar system. ¿How long does earth survive before freezing over? ¿Minutes? ¿Hours? ¿Days?

I suggest that there was no reason for Spock to consider himself having failed. ¿If ensuring the long-term survival of Romulus was 'success', the mission itself was destined for failure regardless of whether Spock successfully deployed the Red Matter or not.

Maybe more time to get away? I don't know.

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Report this May. 05 2010, 11:27 pm

Will Romulan star Empire has the technology have space stations work with out need Star anywhere a star. Technology Star Trek universe should allow Romunlan Star Empire to be able to keep Planet livable even with out their sun.

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Report this May. 06 2010, 12:45 am

Quote (Jason222 @ May 05 2010, 11:27 pm)
Will Romulan star Empire has the technology have space stations work with out need Star anywhere a star. Technology Star Trek universe should allow Romunlan Star Empire to be able to keep Planet livable even with out their sun.

That is going to take a lot of power, even by Star Trek standards.

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Report this May. 06 2010, 1:57 am

Quote (StationK7 @ May 05 2010, 8:46 pm)
I was reading another thread and it provoked this question - may have already been discussed...

The star that went supernova was the star that Romulus was orbiting, correct?

No it wasnt.

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Report this May. 06 2010, 1:58 am

Quote (draeden06 @ May 05 2010, 9:17 pm)
It wasn't the Romulan star. It was the nearby star Hobus or Hopus or something. And it was magical because it could destroy the entire galaxy.

There was nothing "magical" about it.

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Report this May. 06 2010, 3:02 am

Quote (stovokor2000 @ May 06 2010, 1:58 am)
Quote (draeden06 @ May 05 2010, 9:17 pm)
It wasn't the Romulan star. It was the nearby star Hobus or Hopus or something. And it was magical because it could destroy the entire galaxy.

There was nothing "magical" about it.

Because real supernovas are galaxy destroying events.  :sarcastic:

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Report this May. 06 2010, 3:16 am

Quote (Lucifer_ @ May 06 2010, 3:02 am)
Quote (stovokor2000 @ May 06 2010, 1:58 am)
Quote (draeden06 @ May 05 2010, 9:17 pm)
It wasn't the Romulan star. It was the nearby star Hobus or Hopus or something. And it was magical because it could destroy the entire galaxy.

There was nothing "magical" about it.

Because real supernovas are galaxy destroying events. ?:sarcastic:

A] the exact nature of the "threat" Spock prime alluded to was never discussed in any detail.

So, it wouldnt be a stretch to think that he was speaking about the "threat" the Romulan empire could pose after the lose of their home world.

B] the eruptions from that Super nova seemed to be growing with intensity.The planet Romulos wasnt that close and yet it was destroyed.

Who knows how many other world may have been destroyed before the Sun finished erupting.

C]It a well held theory that SuperNovas can produce a Gamma Wave burst.

It has also been hypothesized that a large enough gamma-ray burst "ANY WHERE" in the Milky Way galaxy could cause a mass extinction here on earth Earth....and any other life supporting planets in the Miliky Way system.

In the world of trek...the Alpha, Beta, Delta and Gama quadrants are all within the Milky Way galaxy.

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Report this May. 08 2010, 12:38 pm

Instead of Red Matter, I would have used Savemyassium which works a lot better!


Seriously, can a star be stable one month and then go supernova the next?


And how far does a REAL supernova shockwave travel before becoming nondestructive?  How close was Hobus supposed to be to Romulus?  What star's system is Romulus in?

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Report this May. 08 2010, 1:56 pm

Quote (challengerdyer @ May 08 2010, 12:38 pm)
Instead of Red Matter, I would have used Savemyassium which works a lot better!


Seriously, can a star be stable one month and then go supernova the next?


And how far does a REAL supernova shockwave travel before becoming nondestructive? ¿How close was Hobus supposed to be to Romulus? ¿What star's system is Romulus in?

I'm not sure what the non-destructuve limit is, but here is an image of the supernova that occurred in the LMC in 1987.



The ring around the remains of the star is glowing gas thrown off the star years before it exploded. The star exploded 167,000 years ago; we first received the light in 1987. So 23 years later, the shockwave is still confined to the star system.

The whole concept that Romulus had no warning that a nearby star exploded is ridiculous. If Romulus's star exploded, Red matter wasn't going to save them.

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Report this May. 08 2010, 9:00 pm

Quote (challengerdyer @ May 08 2010, 12:38 pm)
Instead of Red Matter, I would have used Savemyassium which works a lot better!


Seriously, can a star be stable one month and then go supernova the next?


And how far does a REAL supernova shockwave travel before becoming nondestructive? ¿How close was Hobus supposed to be to Romulus? ¿What star's system is Romulus in?

Romulan Star System as shown in Nemesis. unfortunately, it is not to scale...



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