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Quantumflux01

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Report this May. 01 2010, 5:34 pm

If there was to be a season 8 for DS9 in what directions, in terms of plot and character development, could it go? Here I've given what I think are the 10 most likely directions.

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Report this May. 01 2010, 6:56 pm

Introducing new characters would be a priority. Several need replacing -- Sisko, Odo, O'brien, Worf, Rom. After that, determining a new direction for the show, preferably developing new races rather than continuing with the same old Breen, Borg, Section 31, etc.

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Report this May. 01 2010, 9:12 pm

A permanent new girlfriend for JULIAN(and I'd play her)

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Report this May. 01 2010, 9:47 pm

Well, of course some of the characters would have to be replaced, given the way Season 7 ended. I believe it would be intriguing to see the return of the prophet Kahless, or at least something about the Bajoran philosophies revealed.

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Report this May. 02 2010, 2:46 am

Quote (Pooneil @ May 01 2010, 6:56 pm)
After that, determining a new direction for the show, preferably developing new races rather than continuing with the same old Breen, Borg, Section 31, etc.

Same old??!!  :O

There are plenty of directions in which these could have been developed further. Introduce something new, sure -- but continuing stories that developed complexity over time (Layers, if you like, that could never have been shown by single episodes) was one of the key strengths of DS9.

So by all means, yes!! Continue to develop existing storylines!!

That said, however, I'm glad they never introduced the Borg into this story. Not after Wolf 359 and the occasional mention, in any case. I don't think they would have "belonged" on DS9 any more than Q did.

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Report this May. 02 2010, 2:17 pm

Quote (Pooneil @ May 01 2010, 9:56 pm)
Introducing new characters would be a priority. Several need replacing -- Sisko, Odo, O'brien, Worf, Rom. After that, determining a new direction for the show, preferably developing new races rather than continuing with the same old Breen, Borg, Section 31, etc.

New characters? And a new direction for the show?

That's a death knell, amigo, for any successful series.

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Report this May. 02 2010, 4:40 pm

At first, I was thinking that the political negotiations with the dominion would be obvious, but with Sisko gone, Admiral Ross would probably have to take up permanant residence on the station.  That said, I think it may be more likely, even though Sisko had halted the process for bringing Bajor into the Federation, that they may try to go back to that.  Now that the war is over, they may have more time to refocus on their original DS9 mission.  However, for that to work, Admiral Ross (or another dignitary) would still probably have to take up permanent residence on the station.  

Great topic, Quantumflux.  I look forward to seeing where this goes!

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Report this May. 03 2010, 1:05 pm

Right; well my next idea is instead of continuing on directly after season 7, in the year 2375, instead let some time elapse. Maybe a few years, maybe even 10. Because I think introducing new species, really important species, just after the completion of the Dominion war would seem... forced. Besides with a duration of time between two seasons alot of things could be rejigged. Characters and so forth...

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Report this May. 03 2010, 2:05 pm

Actually, I think that's a pretty good idea.

I mean, if you were going to run a Season Eight without altering the final episode of Season Seven? A time gap might be the best way to go.

We could catch up with Worf and Martok, find out if O'Brien's getting bored teaching at Starfleet Academy, discover how things are going with Rom, Quark, and Ferenginar, see if Bashir and Ezri made it as a couple, and peek in on the Sisko baby. Then clearly, the main plot of the first few episodes would most certainly have to deal with the return of Sisko from the realm of the Prophets.

Perhaps, an event is looming that requires him to come back to the station, and he has been subtly influencing Worf, O'Brien, Odo, and others to join him in his new "crusade." Maybe to link Bajor with another unknown culture in the Gamma Quadrant that has ties to the Founders? Who knows?

Anyway, letting a few years pass in order to get things moving again? Great idea.

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Report this May. 03 2010, 2:25 pm

Yeah okay, now then my next idea is not to focus on the classic 'Sisko returns to the Prophets' thing. But a different story entirely. Heres what I think:
Season 8 needs to focus on the politics of the Alpha Quadrant. Let's say the stardate, is 2393, 18 years time interval from where DS9 ended. In terms of Alpha Quadrant politics I have a few ideas:

1. The Dominion is breaking up, because the Jem'Hader are disgruntled with the Founders more peaceful diplomatic stance. The Founders have confined the Jem'Hader to their barracks and to simple guard duty. The Jem'Hader may revolt against the Founders.
2. Bajor has developed it's own fleet of starships and now Bajor is nearly cabable of defending itself without any Federation assistance. Bajor is a member of the Federation but it's people are starting to call for Bajoran sovereignty; independance from the Federation.
3. Cardassian/Federation relationships are frosty because 15 years ago Cardassian political hardliners in the military destroyed a Federation embassy on Cardassia, those political hardliners believed that Cardassia would become a vassal state to the Federation. And so the Federation left the Cardassian States and for 15 years each side watched each other's borders very carefully.
4. The Cardassians have fully recovered from the Dominion war: they have a robotic workforce to grow their food, build their ships and to develop their industrial military complex.
5. Against all this there needs to be the introduction of two new races... But two very powerful races. These races have a very long history with each other and they are sizing each other up.

That would I think would be a interesting political situation.

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Report this May. 03 2010, 4:02 pm

New characters/new roles:  would have loved to see Taran'atar, Vaugh and Ro Laren in season 8 like in the books

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Report this May. 03 2010, 5:12 pm

Quote (Quantumflux01 @ May 03 2010, 5:25 pm)
Yeah okay, now then my next idea is not to focus on the classic 'Sisko returns to the Prophets' thing. But a different story entirely. Heres what I think:
Season 8 needs to focus on the politics of the Alpha Quadrant. Let's say the stardate, is 2393, 18 years time interval from where DS9 ended. In terms of Alpha Quadrant politics I have a few ideas:

1. The Dominion is breaking up, because the Jem'Hader are disgruntled with the Founders more peaceful diplomatic stance. The Founders have confined the Jem'Hader to their barracks and to simple guard duty. The Jem'Hader may revolt against the Founders.
2. Bajor has developed it's own fleet of starships and now Bajor is nearly cabable of defending itself without any Federation assistance. Bajor is a member of the Federation but it's people are starting to call for Bajoran sovereignty; independance from the Federation.
3. Cardassian/Federation relationships are frosty because 15 years ago Cardassian political hardliners in the military destroyed a Federation embassy on Cardassia, those political hardliners believed that Cardassia would become a vassal state to the Federation. And so the Federation left the Cardassian States and for 15 years each side watched each other's borders very carefully.
4. The Cardassians have fully recovered from the Dominion war: they have a robotic workforce to grow their food, build their ships and to develop their industrial military complex.
5. Against all this there needs to be the introduction of two new races... But two very powerful races. These races have a very long history with each other and they are sizing each other up.

That would I think would be a interesting political situation.

Don't see #1 or # 2 happening, as both of those events fly in the face of everything we've seen from the series so far.

And I simply don't like # 5.

And yes, folks, the return of Sisko HAS to take precedence in order for Season Eight to have a shot. Why is this so hard to understand?

Do you really think TNG could survive without Picard? Or TOS without Kirk? C'mon now.

Anyway, your initial post was full of possibilities, but this one is just heaping on the fanfic. So against my better judgement, here are my ideas:

- Time gap - maybe 5 years? (Reallly, Jake is the only one who would look substantially different.)
- Sisko returns - catches a LOT of flak from Kasidy, has trouble adjusting to being mortal again, depends on Kira and others to follow Starfleet protocols, has something IMPORTANT to discuss ... a great destiny is on the horizon... he's much more Prophet now than Starfleet captain. He spends a lot of time with his child.
- Kira is the commander of the station and captain of the Defiant - and she's all Starfleet as Bajor has been accepted into the Federation. There is a new Kai, and Bajor is facing a new golden age.
- Garak is working to rebuild Cardassia Prime as a major force in the galaxy, and he's doing it through technological innovations. Much like Japan, the Federation is overseeing the Cardassians, keeping them from developing weapons. Yet Cardassia is making huge strides in holo-technology and new communications techniques.
- The Dominion has been abolished, and its worlds have been freed from tyranny. Many of them have formed a new alliance of worlds. Others have become independent planets. The Ferengi are not only helping with trade in the quadrant, but assisting in rebuilding efforts along with their Cardassian allies who are setting up communication grids throughout the Gamma Quadrant.
- No one knows where the Founders are as the Great Link is no longer on the planet in which Kira dropped off Odo in "WYLB."
- Remnants of Jem'Hadar run throughout the Gamma Quadrant, causing trouble. Kira is peeved at Odo. However, most of the Jem'Hadar are either missing or dead. No one knows.
- Nog has become the station's primary Operations officer and functions as the helmsman aboard the Defiant. It is said that Nog has led dozens of rescue and rebuilding efforts throughout the Alpha Quadrant.
- Ezri and Julian are still together. Now that his genetic background is revealed, Julian has been doubling as science officer these past five years. And he has a new holographic double of himself keeping tabs on operations in sickbay.
- Ezri functions as the station's Starfleet counselor and even has a berth on the promenade for civilian patients.
- Quark still runs his bar. And still schemes.
- Michelle Forbes joins the cast as Strategic Operations Officer Ro Laren. The Federation government issued a full pardon for her (unseen) actions during the Dominion War. Ro oversees security operations on DS9 and is the first officer of the Defiant.
- Worf's son, Alexander, has just taken over his father's posting as Federation ambassador to the Klingon homeworld. Worf, meanwhile, has joined Martok in a fleet of expeditionary vessels exploring the farthest reaches of the Gamma Quadrant. And what they find...
- O'Brien has remained in constant contact with Bashir. And O'Brien is bored stiff on Earth. In fact, he's planning on taking a vacation soon to visit with Bashir and the crew, as it's been years since he's been to DS9.
- Jake has become friends with the O'Briens as he is on Earth working as a writer. He's planning on joining Miles on his trip to DS9. He has no idea that his father is about to return.

Okay, and that's the setup.

Clearly, Martok and Worf's mission unlocks secrets to the Founders and Jem'Hadar's disappearance. That secret is part of why Sisko has returned. And Sisko has been subtly moving pieces into place to set all of these events into motion. Again, a great destiny is on the horizon...

Meanwhile, Rom's gullibility is about to play right into Garak's hands. Garak, who many consider a hero, is about to show his true stripes. Whether he takes the moral high ground or simply tries to bring Cardassia Prime back to a place of prominence has yet to be determined.

Anyway, I've managed to fit in all of the major players, and only added one new cast member.

So there you go. Feel free to critique as much as you want. :cool:

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Report this May. 04 2010, 3:55 pm

Quote (TheDriver @ May 02 2010, 2:17 pm)
Quote (Pooneil @ May 01 2010, 9:56 pm)
Introducing new characters would be a priority. Several need replacing -- Sisko, Odo, O'brien, Worf, Rom. After that, determining a new direction for the show, preferably developing new races rather than continuing with the same old Breen, Borg, Section 31, etc.

New characters? And a new direction for the show?

That's a death knell, amigo, for any successful series.

Well, you'd need new characters after half of them left the station, wouldn't you? Otherwise your cast would consist of Kira, Bashir, Ezri, and Quark.

Second, you'd need a new direction for the show after the grand finale with the end of the war and all that. The idea of grinding on with the post-war political machinations fails to thrill me, TheDriver. Get them back into the Gamma Quadrant and meet some new faces.

Although I'm not really sure why a Season 8 is needed after we got such a huge climax.

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Report this May. 04 2010, 4:11 pm

Quote (TheDriver @ May 03 2010, 5:12 pm)
Quote (Quantumflux01 @ May 03 2010, 5:25 pm)
Yeah okay, now then my next idea is not to focus on the classic 'Sisko returns to the Prophets' thing. But a different story entirely. Heres what I think:
Season 8 needs to focus on the politics of the Alpha Quadrant. Let's say the stardate, is 2393, 18 years time interval from where DS9 ended. In terms of Alpha Quadrant politics I have a few ideas:

1. The Dominion is breaking up, because the Jem'Hader are disgruntled with the Founders more peaceful diplomatic stance. The Founders have confined the Jem'Hader to their barracks and to simple guard duty. The Jem'Hader may revolt against the Founders.
2. Bajor has developed it's own fleet of starships and now Bajor is nearly cabable of defending itself without any Federation assistance. Bajor is a member of the Federation but it's people are starting to call for Bajoran sovereignty; independance from the Federation.
3. Cardassian/Federation relationships are frosty because 15 years ago Cardassian political hardliners in the military destroyed a Federation embassy on Cardassia, those political hardliners believed that Cardassia would become a vassal state to the Federation. And so the Federation left the Cardassian States and for 15 years each side watched each other's borders very carefully.
4. The Cardassians have fully recovered from the Dominion war: they have a robotic workforce to grow their food, build their ships and to develop their industrial military complex.
5. Against all this there needs to be the introduction of two new races... But two very powerful races. These races have a very long history with each other and they are sizing each other up.

That would I think would be a interesting political situation.

Don't see #1 or # 2 happening, as both of those events fly in the face of everything we've seen from the series so far.

And I simply don't like # 5.

And yes, folks, the return of Sisko HAS to take precedence in order for Season Eight to have a shot. Why is this so hard to understand?

Do you really think TNG could survive without Picard? Or TOS without Kirk? C'mon now.

Anyway, your initial post was full of possibilities, but this one is just heaping on the fanfic. So against my better judgement, here are my ideas:

- Time gap - maybe 5 years? (Reallly, Jake is the only one who would look substantially different.)
- Sisko returns - catches a LOT of flak from Kasidy, has trouble adjusting to being mortal again, depends on Kira and others to follow Starfleet protocols, has something IMPORTANT to discuss ... a great destiny is on the horizon... he's much more Prophet now than Starfleet captain. He spends a lot of time with his child.
- Kira is the commander of the station and captain of the Defiant - and she's all Starfleet as Bajor has been accepted into the Federation. There is a new Kai, and Bajor is facing a new golden age.
- Garak is working to rebuild Cardassia Prime as a major force in the galaxy, and he's doing it through technological innovations. Much like Japan, the Federation is overseeing the Cardassians, keeping them from developing weapons. Yet Cardassia is making huge strides in holo-technology and new communications techniques.
- The Dominion has been abolished, and its worlds have been freed from tyranny. Many of them have formed a new alliance of worlds. Others have become independent planets. The Ferengi are not only helping with trade in the quadrant, but assisting in rebuilding efforts along with their Cardassian allies who are setting up communication grids throughout the Gamma Quadrant.
- No one knows where the Founders are as the Great Link is no longer on the planet in which Kira dropped off Odo in "WYLB."
- Remnants of Jem'Hadar run throughout the Gamma Quadrant, causing trouble. Kira is peeved at Odo. However, most of the Jem'Hadar are either missing or dead. No one knows.
- Nog has become the station's primary Operations officer and functions as the helmsman aboard the Defiant. It is said that Nog has led dozens of rescue and rebuilding efforts throughout the Alpha Quadrant.
- Ezri and Julian are still together. Now that his genetic background is revealed, Julian has been doubling as science officer these past five years. And he has a new holographic double of himself keeping tabs on operations in sickbay.
- Ezri functions as the station's Starfleet counselor and even has a berth on the promenade for civilian patients.
- Quark still runs his bar. And still schemes.
- Michelle Forbes joins the cast as Strategic Operations Officer Ro Laren. The Federation government issued a full pardon for her (unseen) actions during the Dominion War. Ro oversees security operations on DS9 and is the first officer of the Defiant.
- Worf's son, Alexander, has just taken over his father's posting as Federation ambassador to the Klingon homeworld. Worf, meanwhile, has joined Martok in a fleet of expeditionary vessels exploring the farthest reaches of the Gamma Quadrant. And what they find...
- O'Brien has remained in constant contact with Bashir. And O'Brien is bored stiff on Earth. In fact, he's planning on taking a vacation soon to visit with Bashir and the crew, as it's been years since he's been to DS9.
- Jake has become friends with the O'Briens as he is on Earth working as a writer. He's planning on joining Miles on his trip to DS9. He has no idea that his father is about to return.

Okay, and that's the setup.

Clearly, Martok and Worf's mission unlocks secrets to the Founders and Jem'Hadar's disappearance. That secret is part of why Sisko has returned. And Sisko has been subtly moving pieces into place to set all of these events into motion. Again, a great destiny is on the horizon...

Meanwhile, Rom's gullibility is about to play right into Garak's hands. Garak, who many consider a hero, is about to show his true stripes. Whether he takes the moral high ground or simply tries to bring Cardassia Prime back to a place of prominence has yet to be determined.

Anyway, I've managed to fit in all of the major players, and only added one new cast member.

So there you go. Feel free to critique as much as you want. :cool:

I'm going to shock you with this one, TheDriver. Ready?

I like your ideas. I'm still not into the post-bellum politics/Dominion scene, but I think what you outlined sounds dramatic and possibly exciting. There's an air of mystery to it, which helps. It also manages to sound familiarly Trekkish to me: Bajor's golden age, Cardassia rebuilding, Klingons exploring. That's exactly the sort of progressive attitude I like to see in Star Trek.

The OP's idea re: "Bajoran sovereignty/independence from the Federation" can't slip past me without a comment. Bajoran sovereignty has not been taken away by the Federation. I've seen nothing in any Trek series to suggest that the Federation imposes any laws on its member worlds (colonies and space stations are a different matter). Bajor would still be Bajor, complete with Prophets, Orbs, and scheming Vedeks; except their membership in the Federation would open their doors to the rest of the galaxy (and vice versa) and provide them with all the technological wonders everyone else enjoys. No starving farmers, for example. The Federation council is there to facilitate among its members, not to control them.

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Report this May. 04 2010, 5:50 pm

My idea for the breakup of Dominion boils down to 3 things:

1. If the Dominion became peaceful, then they wouldn't need so many Jem'Hader.

2. If that is so how do the Founders sort out that problem? The Jem'Hader are born to fight and serve the Dominion: and that is all they know. But if the they realise that the Dominion doesn't need them what then? Which goes onto point 3:

3. The Jem'Hader aren't stupid because they can see the bigger picture, I base that conclusion from the episode Rocks and Shoals. Would they revolt against the Dominion if they felt they weren't needed in the Dominion? I think they would.

Besides one of the episodes in season 4, forget the name of it, but it's basic story was that a squadron of Jem'Hader had gone rouge and were out of the Dominion's control. I also remember Weyoun asking for Federation help to kill the rouge Jem'Hader. Why the Jem'Hader revolted in the first place I'm not sure, but it proves the Jem'Hader can revolt against their gods; Founders, under extraordinary circumstances.

Now then about the return of Sisko. If he returned from the celestial temple you could get at most 3 or 4 episodes out of that storyline. This I think is unacceptable, besides what then for the Sisko character? He can't return to Starfleet because he left it to be a Prophet, so no he can't command the Defiant or DS9. Besides unless something exceptional happened why would Sisko leave the Celestial Temple? If DS9 is to have a season 8 let's take a different approach than the usual 'it all revolves around the Prophets theme' to start season 8.

Next about my idea for Bajor's development; Bajor once had huge shipyards and orbital industries. All I'm saying is that after 18 years Bajor's shipyards and orbital industries are once more in their prime. Next what I mean by Bajoran sovereignty is not that the Federation is oppressive, it's just that Bajor has reached a point where economically it doesn't need to be a Federation member; don't forget the wormhole. Hence Bajor wants to run it's own political affairs. But the Bajoran government does want a defensive pact with the Federation.
Now because Bajor has the facilities to build it's own starships; warships assigned to protect Bajor, it means that Federation membership becomes less important. Now there will always be a defensive pact with Bajor (if the Bajorans leave the Federation) and the Federation simply because of the wormhole. The last thing Bajor and the Federation needs is for the Cardassians, because of idea 3 in my second post, to take control for themselves of the wormhole.

The next point is the 18 years time interval, I say 18 years for good reason; it simply gives alot more flexiblity for what the main characters could do and how they are developed.

Besides all the ideas I'm suggesting are really key points to a Star Trek series I've been creating using DS9 has a template; in short I've created about 30 or so secondary characters, developed 3 new main characters, created 3 races, written synopsis's for about 125+ episodes and fleshed out enought plots, character development and story arcs to cover about 7 season's worth of episodes which has taken 3 years to develop.

I'll tell you about the setup and my alternate approach to starting a season 8 for DS9 tommorrow. Otherwise this post will be horrendously long.

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