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The Pegasus

Rathbone

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Report this Apr. 28 2010, 6:53 pm

My opinion of this episode is that I would have to agree with Admiral Pressman. Im tierd of the Romulans biotch slapping the Federation around. Lets balance the tables. Like they would respect any peace treaty with anyone let alone the Federation. They are always trying to restart the war and end the Federation. I say give us the right to build and use the cloaking device. To hell with Romulans.

subytrek

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Report this Apr. 28 2010, 7:07 pm

Pressman had a point but he was violating a peace treaty that was signed by the Federation and the Romulans and his actions could have jeopardized that peace.

BrotherofShran01

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Report this Apr. 28 2010, 7:45 pm

Quote (Rathbone @ April 28 2010, 6:53 pm)
My opinion of this episode is that I would have to agree with Admiral Pressman. Im tierd of the Romulans biotch slapping the Federation around. Lets balance the tables. Like they would respect any peace treaty with anyone let alone the Federation. They are always trying to restart the war and end the Federation. I say give us the right to build and use the cloaking device. To hell with Romulans.

Dang Right!!

interphasic cloaks for everyone!

subytrek

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Report this Apr. 28 2010, 7:48 pm

I would think preserving the peace would be more important. :logical:

BrotherofShran01

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Report this Apr. 28 2010, 7:51 pm

Quote (subytrek @ April 28 2010, 7:48 pm)
I would think preserving the peace would be more important. :logical:

What peace? From The Romulan Commander to Shinzon to Nero... It has the Federation that has been keeping the peace. The Romulans are not for that. You know what happens when a society tries to sue of peace?

See BSG.

By your command.

TaoTrek

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Report this Apr. 28 2010, 11:00 pm

Now that Romulus is destroyed, I see no reason why the Federation shouldn't invest in interphasic cloaking devices. I bet they could sure help against the Borg, the Dominion, Species 8472 or whatever the hell else wants to attack the Federation.

stovokor2000

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Report this Apr. 28 2010, 11:59 pm

Quote (BrotherofShran01 @ April 28 2010, 7:51 pm)
What peace? From The Romulan Commander to Shinzon to Nero... It has the Federation that has been keeping the peace. The Romulans are not for that.

You only pointed out 3 rotten apples.

Seems to me that keeping the peace was still a smarter move.

coloradochaz

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Report this Apr. 29 2010, 9:10 am

The technology surprised me. I was not aware that any cloaked ships could safely pass through solid rock as the Enterprise did while using the prototype device salvaged from the Pegasus.

subytrek

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Report this Apr. 29 2010, 6:25 pm

So, this would be even more of a reason Picard would be against it. Not only, is it in violation of the treaty this device actually goes beyond what the Romulans are capable of which could very well cause an escalation of possible conflict jeopardizing the peace they currently had.

BrotherofShran01

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Report this Apr. 30 2010, 5:57 am

It gave the Romulans something to think about. If the Enterprise E had a interphasic cloak, Shizon would have thought twice before attacking the Federation.

BrotherofShran01

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Report this Apr. 30 2010, 5:59 am

Quote (stovokor2000 @ April 28 2010, 11:59 pm)
Quote (BrotherofShran01 @ April 28 2010, 7:51 pm)
What peace? From The Romulan Commander to Shinzon to Nero... It has the Federation that has been keeping the peace. The Romulans are not for that.

You only pointed out 3 rotten apples.

Seems to me that keeping the peace was still a smarter move.

I do not see keeping the peace in that way. The Federation is not a peace keeping armada like the one in 2009 movie. It was more like defending yourself against race that thought it was their destiny to expand their empire and conquer. they may not be aggressive as the Klingons, but given a chance, they will take it.

stovokor2000

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Report this Apr. 30 2010, 9:37 am

Quote (BrotherofShran01 @ April 30 2010, 5:59 am)
Quote (stovokor2000 @ April 28 2010, 11:59 pm)
Quote (BrotherofShran01 @ April 28 2010, 7:51 pm)
What peace? From The Romulan Commander to Shinzon to Nero... It has the Federation that has been keeping the peace. The Romulans are not for that.

You only pointed out 3 rotten apples.

Seems to me that keeping the peace was still a smarter move.

I do not see keeping the peace in that way. The Federation is not a peace keeping armada like the one in 2009 movie. It was more like defending yourself against race that thought it was their destiny to expand their empire and conquer. they may not be aggressive as the Klingons, but given a chance, they will take it.

You may not "see keeping the peace" in that way....but obviously the Federation government did.

They showed time and time again that keeping peace treaties were top priority.

From the treaty with the Cardasians to how they delt with the Maquie.

BrotherofShran01

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Report this Apr. 30 2010, 6:29 pm

It is the Federation government that permitted section 31 to exist and do the things that the Federation will not officially do.

stovokor2000

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Report this Apr. 30 2010, 6:47 pm

Quote (BrotherofShran01 @ April 30 2010, 6:29 pm)
It is the Federation government that permitted section 31 to exist and do the things that the Federation will not officially do.

Thats not exactly right.

Section 31 works outside the permission of the Federation goverment.

BrotherofShran01

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Report this May. 01 2010, 4:52 am

Quote (stovokor2000 @ April 30 2010, 6:47 pm)
Quote (BrotherofShran01 @ April 30 2010, 6:29 pm)
It is the Federation government that permitted section 31 to exist and do the things that the Federation will not officially do.

Thats not exactly right.

Section 31 works outside the permission of the Federation goverment.


They do that so the Federation can still have the image that they claim to be. that doesn't mean that if some dirty work had to be done to the Federation's benefit, the Federation would not look the other way.

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It may be presumed that when the United Federation of Planets was founded in 2161 and the Federation Starfleet established, the agency later known as Section 31 either transferred its purported loyalties to the UFP or was founded as an off-shoot of its United Earth Starfleet predecessor  and, possibly, any potential Vulcan, Andorian, and/or Tellarite  counterparts.


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The Federation Council later voted not to share the cure with the Founders as long as the war continued, even while Odo was fully cured. This appears to have been part of a systematic attempt to cover up Section 31's existence  Bashir's and Sisko's 2374 reports had prompted an inquiry at Starfleet Command that was quietly stonewalled within one year, indicating that someone at Command was protecting Section 31. The cure was later given to the Female Changeling by Odo so that she would surrender her forces. These events had ruined the organization's plan to eradicate the Founders. (DS9: "The Dogs of War", "What You Leave Behind")

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