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warp speed or hyperspeed?

Azwan

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Report this Apr. 25 2010, 4:20 am

which is faster and more pratical in our life time? warp speed or hyper speed that is used in SW?

clactonradio

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Report this Apr. 25 2010, 1:34 pm

I would like to know as well after watching SG1 and SGU?

dryson

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Report this Apr. 25 2010, 3:25 pm

Warp Speed is designed around using gravity to propel the ship through space by compressing the wavelengths of gravity from one area of space or the point wanting to be traveled to ahead of the ship by bringing each wavelength that is ahead of the ship closer to the ship and then releasing the wavelength which propels the starship forward. Basically warp drive is making thousands of small jumps every second until the destination has been reached.

Hyperspace Drive uses chemical engines to create a force against gravity that propels the craft forward. This is why the ships in Star Wars are so large. They are centered around chemical engines that require alot of fuel to be carried onboard to provide the thrust necessary to create the hyperspace jump.

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Report this Apr. 25 2010, 4:09 pm

Quote (Azwan @ April 24 2010, 5:20 am)
which is faster and more pratical in our life time? warp speed or hyper speed that is used in SW?

Hyper speed in SW spans the length of galaxies in days, warp in star trek is slower. Neither are practical in our life time, both involve super science not available currently.

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Report this Apr. 25 2010, 9:14 pm

A Warp Drive engine would be more efficient because it does not rely on using large amounts of fuel to power the engines which means the ship can be made smaller as well as being crewed with a smaller contigent whereas the Ion drive of a SW ship requires thousands to operate and maintain as well as requiring stripping whole planets of it's resources to build one ship.

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Report this Apr. 25 2010, 10:16 pm

Dryson, like in real science you clearly do not know what you are talking about in regards to science fiction. First, in star wars the hyper drive does not take massive amounts of fuel and is not solely installed on larger vessels. Ships like the x wing, a wing, y wing; one man fighter ships have a hyper drive.  Don't believe me? How does Luke make it from the both system to dagobah in empire? Why does the melellium falcon need to get it's hyperdrive repaired in the same movie(the ship is only three times bigger than the x wing) and finally in return of the Jedi all of those small one man fighter ships and shuttles use hyper space to get to the second death star orbiting endor so how about you stop making up garbage about things you know nothing about. If you want to do things like a scientist try. Asking questions about your ideas before jumping to answers and claiming them to be fact.

As for the posters question: in the sci fi world a hyper drive is faster. There is no way for us to know for sure which would be attainable, but in my search o have found more theories on warp drive than a hyper drive.

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Report this Apr. 25 2010, 10:40 pm

Quote (dryson @ April 25 2010, 9:14 pm)
A Warp Drive engine would be more efficient because it does not rely on using large amounts of fuel to power the engines which means the ship can be made smaller as well as being crewed with a smaller contigent whereas the Ion drive of a SW ship requires thousands to operate and maintain as well as requiring stripping whole planets of it's resources to build one ship.

Care to explain why tiny one-man fighters and even civilian craft have both hyperdrives AND ion-driven sub-light propulsion?

Seriously, where are you getting your information, such as your bogus claim that Star Wars ships require massive amounts of fuel? Or that whole planets have to be stripped to construct one vessel?

If you want to talk about inefficiency, a Trek warp core is a perfect example of excess reactivity. Even if they shut off the flow to the anti-matter the warp core contains enough unreacted fuel at any time to destroy the entire ship.

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Report this Apr. 25 2010, 11:12 pm

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Care to explain why tiny one-man fighters and even civilian craft have both hyperdrives AND ion-driven sub-light propulsion?

Seriously, where are you getting your information, such as your bogus claim that Star Wars ships require massive amounts of fuel? Or that whole planets have to be stripped to construct one vessel?

If you want to talk about inefficiency, a Trek warp core is a perfect example of excess reactivity. Even if they shut off the flow to the anti-matter the warp core contains enough unreacted fuel at any time to destroy the entire ship.


The hyperdrive unit is used to excite the ion engine reaction to a state of hyper activity where the ship is then sent into space at light speed. Which I have never heard mentioned in Star Wars about incremental levels of traveling faster than the speed of light so hyper drive must be able to only propel the ship at light speed velocities.

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Report this Apr. 25 2010, 11:23 pm

Which is directly contradicted by the films. The interstellar travel seen in all six movies requires FTL.

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Report this Apr. 27 2010, 10:01 am

Quote (4_o_20 @ April 26 2010, 3:13 am)
Yeah, how did Han Solo get from Hoth to Bespin with a broken hyperdrive? Look up the map, they're hundreds of light-years from each other!

Maybe he had an emergency short range hyperdrive unit, Star war ship have alot of back up...

WilliamArtimarFlint

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Report this Apr. 28 2010, 4:38 pm

He was also attached to the back of a star destroyer for who knows how long exactly. They could have been taken closer to bespin in that time.

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Report this Apr. 29 2010, 1:32 pm

Quote (4_o_20 @ April 28 2010, 5:36 am)
Alright, here's a question;

One-to-one mapping hyperspace. Everyone familiar with it? Unlike regular hyperspace where you take a voyage along a hyper-axis between the folds of a saddle shaped universe, One-to-one mapping hyperspace means travelling to another brane, which is smaller than our own, but every point corresponds to another point on our brane. Eg. Leave real-space, enter hyperspace (the smaller brane) travel four kilometers and exit hyperspace to find yourself four light years from home. Or another example, you have a map of the world that you can magically enter. Enter the map and walk to Antarctica, exit the map and find yourself there.

This could be what Star Wars uses, I'm not sure. One site said hyperspace was a tachyonic brane, but this is not official. An old Star Wars encyclopedia says it's a series of wormholes (hyperspace lanes) as in the hyper-axis I mention earlier. Babylon 5 definitely uses one-to-one mapping.

Sorry, my question. Is there any theories in real science that parallel this idea of one-to-one mapping hyperspace, or is it simply a plot device used in ancient pulp fiction?

The Brane doesn't have to smaller, it could be an area where time flow slower, or where the speed of light is faster.

As for Hyperspace, other than GR where the space time is warp or curved in hyperspace ( which is basically warpage of our normal 4 d space.) such a one to one mapping is not really one based in science. It can be found in mathematics in the field of Topology.

In Topology this is called a compacted open topology, where varies point within a space will correspond to connective point within a parallel space.

Star War uses a tachyonic hyperspace, their hyperspace engine basically cause them to enter this ftl space, and as in the case of the compacted open topology there are corresponding point in normal space.

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Report this May. 21 2010, 12:21 pm

Quote (4_o_20 @ April 24 2010, 11:33 pm)
Traveling via hyperspace in reality would parallel using a wormhole, so it would be pretty much instantaneous depending on the length of the throat.

Both wormholes and warp drive have plenty mathematics available as to how they could be created, but the technology and energy requirements (both need exotic matter) are well beyond our current understanding.

For more, google or wiki: Kip Thorne, Alcubierre

The scene in ANH just before the Falcon jumps to normal space and is bombarded with the remains of Alderaan, you can actually see the Falcon traveling in what appears to be a wormhole. Thus, we can reason that in SW hyperspace is the same as traveling through a wormhole. :)

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Report this May. 25 2010, 4:03 pm

Quote (4_o_20 @ May 20 2010, 9:57 pm)
That's what I thought, the only problem is that you can choose wherever you want to go, as opposed to a wormhole which links one part of the universe to another. But you are still right, that is definitely what we see.

So I propose this; a network of these FTL conduits that exist in extra-dimensional space. This could parallel a network between particles through quantum entanglement links which has apparently been dubbed by some scientists: "superspace". Also, I believe this would tie in the relationship between the original Star Wars Encyclopedia which used wormholes, and the modern Star Wars Encyclopedia which has another large flat tachyonic brane. Anyone like this idea?

that sound like the slip steam from the series Andromeda..

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Report this May. 25 2010, 5:27 pm

I think neither will be used. I think creating wormholes may be a method of getting from star to star in space. Besides even at light speed it takes 4.3 years to get to our nearest neighbour Alpha Centauri. Mind you I wonder how this works out in Star Trek, I assume the warp scale is exponential, otherwise even at warp 9 it would take half a year for a ship to reach Alpha Centauri, if the warp scale is arithmetic.

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