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Was the Prime Directive violated?

PJaks

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Report this Apr. 22 2010, 11:35 am

I just saw "Birthright" parts 1 and 2 in which Worf went to find out if his father really died in Khittomer or was a prisoner in some Romulan camp.  (I think James Cromwell did a nice job as the J.Shrek character who informed Worf of this place.)  
Worf found the camp but the Klingons were there because of choice.  They were captured but did not get killed. They stayed because they did not want to dishonor their families. Everyone was happy with the peace they had. Worf tried to show the children the Klingon ways in hunting, stories of the Khaless and other ways.  He did change some feelings. Some of the younger Klingons left but only after they promised that they would say that they came from a planet that they had crashed on.  (Did no one think that someone might check on their past such as parents, and other relatives?)
So I am asking if Worf violated the Prime Directive?  This in essence was a culture that was at peace with two previously enemy people.  The young girl who was half Klingon and half Romulan could not leave because of her parentage.  
What do you think and please feel free to explain.

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Report this Apr. 22 2010, 11:44 am

He should have been court marshaled, but I don't know about conviction, because we don't know the outcome.

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Report this Apr. 22 2010, 2:48 pm

The Prime Directive was broken. You see Worf should of been courtmarshalled but Cpt. Picard didn't know what he was doing. Worf was angry when he found out that the children at the camp were not being tought Klingon tradition. They were using weapons of a warrior as gardening tools and for games. Worf believed he had to do something because living with Romulans is aginst his cultures Prime Directive.

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Report this Apr. 22 2010, 4:18 pm

Yes, the way I understand things, Worf violated the Prime Directive. As a constitutional result, he should have been courtmarshalled. Gee, I never thought about it before but he's usually good at keeping his personal feelings from affecting his actions as a Starfleet officer, or perhaps he's always kept in check by other crew members. But not that time. He was acting on his own with no one to remind him of his position. Heck, it's a wonder this never came back to bite him.

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Report this Apr. 22 2010, 4:58 pm

Quote (trekbuff @ April 22 2010, 4:45 pm)
I remember the episode fairly well, but not every moment of it.

The key as I see it is they had developed their own society and were satisfied with it. The young folks knew nothing else and were happy.

Worf disrupted that society and it's natural development. That is clearly a violation of the Prime Directive.

As for what punishment Worf should receive, haven't all of the captains violated or skirted the Prime Directive after it existed? How could Picard justify reporting Worf? Tangled web, anyone???

You are correct...I have yet to see a captain who has not violated the Prime Directive. Maybe Sisko...but I'd have to take some time going through DS9 episodes.

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Report this Apr. 28 2010, 11:04 pm

It sounds like a Prime Directive violation to me.

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Report this Apr. 29 2010, 12:03 am

Quote (PJaks @ April 22 2010, 11:35 am)
I just saw "Birthright" parts 1 and 2 in which Worf went to find out if his father really died in Khittomer or was a prisoner in some Romulan camp. ?(I think James Cromwell did a nice job as the J.Shrek character who informed Worf of this place.) ?
Worf found the camp but the Klingons were there because of choice. ?They were captured but did not get killed. They stayed because they did not want to dishonor their families. Everyone was happy with the peace they had. Worf tried to show the children the Klingon ways in hunting, stories of the Khaless and other ways. ?He did change some feelings. Some of the younger Klingons left but only after they promised that they would say that they came from a planet that they had crashed on. ?(Did no one think that someone might check on their past such as parents, and other relatives?)
So I am asking if Worf violated the Prime Directive? ?This in essence was a culture that was at peace with two previously enemy people. ?The young girl who was half Klingon and half Romulan could not leave because of her parentage. ?
What do you think and please feel free to explain.

No, I dont think the Prime Directive was not violated in any way.

The Prime Directive is about non-interference in a developing culture and government.I dont thin k the prison planet qualifies as either.The older Klingons chose to remain there....it really wasnt much of a choice.

And no choice was given to their children.

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Report this Apr. 29 2010, 12:04 am

Quote (cptdon @ April 22 2010, 11:44 am)
He should have been court marshaled, but I don't know about conviction, because we don't know the outcome.

Why???

stovokor2000

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Report this Apr. 29 2010, 12:05 am

Quote (Rathbone @ April 22 2010, 2:48 pm)
The Prime Directive was broken.

How???

stovokor2000

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Report this Apr. 29 2010, 12:08 am

Quote (trekbuff @ April 22 2010, 4:45 pm)
I remember the episode fairly well, but not every moment of it.

The key as I see it is they had developed their own society and were satisfied with it. The young folks knew nothing else and were happy.

Worf disrupted that society and it's natural development. That is clearly a violation of the Prime Directive.

As for what punishment Worf should receive, haven't all of the captains violated or skirted the Prime Directive after it existed? How could Picard justify reporting Worf? Tangled web, anyone???

I'm not sure I would agree with you.

I dont see what they had as a society.Yes the young seemed happy...but were they truly happy???

I would say not.

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Report this Apr. 29 2010, 1:13 am

Worf is obviously a Klingon first and a Starfleet officer second. As far as he was concerned, the Klingons were part of his OWN culture, so no Prime Directive issue as far as he was concerned since the Klingons were of his own.

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Report this Apr. 29 2010, 7:25 am

As I understood it the part about non-interference only applies to pre-warp civilizations.  Any contact with other planets would be a Prime Directive violation otherwise.

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Report this Apr. 29 2010, 12:45 pm

Exactly. This is how I understand it too. But, there are some episodes that seem to contradict this which is why the Prime Directive can be a very confusing thing.

stovokor2000

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Report this Apr. 29 2010, 3:05 pm

Quote (starbase63 @ April 29 2010, 2:53 pm)
I have to agree with stovo on this one.

1) They were not an indigenous culture or life-form.

2) They were not a pre-warp society.

3) They were not a "developing culture," they came to that planet from their own cultures and were living cooperatively.

I don't think the Prime Directive would apply in this situation.

:logical:

Thank you.

I would also add that they were originally brought there as prisoners.

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Report this Apr. 29 2010, 3:13 pm

I am not really a big fan of the Prime Directive since it seems to be applied inconsistently.

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