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Kes, come back!

DeannaTRiker

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Report this Apr. 22 2010, 2:24 am

Hi there. I'm halfway through Voyager for the first time... But now Kes is gone from the show and so is the original ambience. She was becoming more and more interesting. And then POOF!!! (literally)

Any thoughts on that? Did anyone besides me miss her?

I've read some gossip about it being down to Kim and Kes to leave the show in order to make room for Seven ¿:angry:

teya1020

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Report this Apr. 22 2010, 2:04 pm

Thank God she's gone.  I can't stand sweet perfect characters.


Yep, it came down to Kim & Kes, the two characters TPTB felt were going nowhere fast. Then Garrett Wang was featured in that year's 50 Most Beautiful People issue of People, and TPTB couldn't overlook that promotional opportunity.

So it was Kes.

Seven was a much richer character who provided some much needed dramatic potential to the show.

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Report this Apr. 22 2010, 2:20 pm

Quote (DeannaTRiker @ April 21 2010, 3:24 am)
Hi there. I'm halfway through Voyager for the first time... But now Kes is gone from the show and so is the original ambience. She was becoming more and more interesting. And then POOF!!! (literally)

Any thoughts on that? Did anyone besides me miss her?

I've read some gossip about it being down to Kim and Kes to leave the show in order to make room for Seven ?:angry:

Yes, there are many of us who miss Kes. Unfortunately, not too many of the Kes fans are posting here anymore due to "certain circumstances".

Personally I lost interest in Voyager when Kes was kicked out. I stopped watching the show and didn't watch a single episode for two years after Kes was dumped. Then I started to watch again but things happened which made me stop watching it for good.

But I do have season 1,2 and 3 on DVD.

The series lost a lot with Kes. She was a great character with a lot of potential. She really personified the spirit of Star Trek with her will to learn and explore, a spirit which was sadly lost when she was "deleted".

But Kes is still around and not forgotten!   :)

Welcome!

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Report this Apr. 22 2010, 2:55 pm

Quote (DeannaTRiker @ April 22 2010, 2:24 pm)
Hi there. I'm halfway through Voyager for the first time... But now Kes is gone from the show and so is the original ambience. She was becoming more and more interesting. And then POOF!!! (literally)

Any thoughts on that? Did anyone besides me miss her?

I've read some gossip about it being down to Kim and Kes to leave the show in order to make room for Seven ?:angry:

Kes was good...  but you will fall for Seven too!


Seven does bring a different feel to the show.. but its not a bad one.. just a change.

DeannaTRiker

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Report this Apr. 22 2010, 9:34 pm

Quote (Lynx677 @ April 21 2010, 3:20 pm)
Quote (DeannaTRiker @ April 21 2010, 3:24 am)
Hi there. I'm halfway through Voyager for the first time... But now Kes is gone from the show and so is the original ambience. She was becoming more and more interesting. And then POOF!!! (literally)

Any thoughts on that? Did anyone besides me miss her?

I've read some gossip about it being down to Kim and Kes to leave the show in order to make room for Seven ?:angry:

Yes, there are many of us who miss Kes. Unfortunately, not too many of the Kes fans are posting here anymore due to "certain circumstances".

What do you mean?

DeannaTRiker

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Report this Apr. 22 2010, 9:39 pm

Kes had more interesting relationships than Neelix. She was friends with the Doctor and Tuvok, of all people. Janeway really liked her.

I really liked Kes and Tuvok together. Actually, I wouldn't have minded if Kes had a crush on him. The fact that he was so old (as a Vulcan) and married really made things quite boring for him on the ship.

DeannaTRiker

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Report this Apr. 22 2010, 9:45 pm

Quote (VioletCloud @ April 21 2010, 3:55 pm)
Kes was good... ¿but you will fall for Seven too!


Seven does bring a different feel to the show.. but its not a bad one.. just a change.

*groans* I can see how some viewers would "fall for Seven."

She's an interesting character, but another emotionally repressed one... how many does one ST show need? It's the same journey again... figuring out what it is to be human and so on.

In the meantime, other characters are suffering from undevelopment.

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Report this Apr. 22 2010, 10:01 pm

Quote (DeannaTRiker @ April 22 2010, 2:24 am)
Kes, come back!....

No thanks, she's fine right where she is in Trek oblivion, forgotten and no longer referenced.

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Report this Apr. 23 2010, 6:45 am

Quote (DeannaTRiker @ April 22 2010, 9:34 pm)
Quote (Lynx677 @ April 21 2010, 3:20 pm)
Quote (DeannaTRiker @ April 21 2010, 3:24 am)
Hi there. I'm halfway through Voyager for the first time... But now Kes is gone from the show and so is the original ambience. She was becoming more and more interesting. And then POOF!!! (literally)

Any thoughts on that? Did anyone besides me miss her?

I've read some gossip about it being down to Kim and Kes to leave the show in order to make room for Seven ?:angry:

Yes, there are many of us who miss Kes. Unfortunately, not too many of the Kes fans are posting here anymore due to "certain circumstances".

What do you mean?

Don't worry about it Deanna. I really like Kes too, but we've debated about her character so much, I'm just tired of doing so, that's all.

You raise an interesting point about Seven's character. I never thought about her that way before. But give her a chance. If you think about it she's really the first human in Trek trying to become more human. Ryan is a fabulous actress and does a lot with the character, more than you might expect, especially in the later seasons.

I agree that the show took on a different feel once Kes left. I don't consider it better or worse, just different and I still continued to enjoy it. :)

Lynx677

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Report this Apr. 23 2010, 2:01 pm

Quote (exodus201 @ April 22 2010, 10:25 am)
Quote (DeannaTRiker @ April 22 2010, 9:34 pm)
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Quote (DeannaTRiker @ April 21 2010, 3:24 am)
Hi there. I'm halfway through Voyager for the first time... But now Kes is gone from the show and so is the original ambience. She was becoming more and more interesting. And then POOF!!! (literally)

Any thoughts on that? Did anyone besides me miss her?

I've read some gossip about it being down to Kim and Kes to leave the show in order to make room for Seven ?:angry:

Yes, there are many of us who miss Kes. Unfortunately, not too many of the Kes fans are posting here anymore due to "certain circumstances".

What do you mean?

Ignore him.

He's trying to drag you into a nasty situation that doesn't & shouldn't involve you just to be spiteful.

It's a very poor way to introduce someone to the Voyager forum.

Wrong again, exodus.

I have no intention of dragging anyone into any "nasty situation", I'm just describing the actual situation.

My only advice to newcomers is to watch and draw their own conclusions. Or to quote Tom Paris: "It's a long story and I'm tired of telling it. I'm sure that someone else will".

teya1020

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Report this Apr. 23 2010, 3:45 pm

Quote (DeannaTRiker @ April 22 2010, 9:45 pm)
Quote (VioletCloud @ April 21 2010, 3:55 pm)
Kes was good... ?but you will fall for Seven too!


Seven does bring a different feel to the show.. but its not a bad one.. just a change.

*groans* I can see how some viewers would "fall for Seven."

What do you mean?

DeannaTRiker

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Report this Apr. 23 2010, 8:12 pm

Quote (teya1020 @ April 22 2010, 4:45 pm)
Quote (DeannaTRiker @ April 22 2010, 9:45 pm)
Quote (VioletCloud @ April 21 2010, 3:55 pm)
Kes was good... ?but you will fall for Seven too!


Seven does bring a different feel to the show.. but its not a bad one.. just a change.

*groans* I can see how some viewers would "fall for Seven."

What do you mean?

Seven is ridiculously gorgeous in every way. Did the show require such a character to increase number of viewers?

teya1020

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Report this Apr. 23 2010, 8:23 pm

Quote (DeannaTRiker @ April 23 2010, 8:12 pm)
Quote (teya1020 @ April 22 2010, 4:45 pm)
Quote (DeannaTRiker @ April 22 2010, 9:45 pm)
Quote (VioletCloud @ April 21 2010, 3:55 pm)
Kes was good... ?but you will fall for Seven too!


Seven does bring a different feel to the show.. but its not a bad one.. just a change.

*groans* I can see how some viewers would "fall for Seven."

What do you mean?

Seven is ridiculously gorgeous in every way. Did the show require such a character to increase number of viewers?

So, a "ridiculously" gorgeous woman can't also be smart?

A "ridiculously" gorgeous woman can't be a strong character?

Funny, Jeri herself is both smart and strong. And one of her pet peeves is people assuming, as you have with Seven, that all she has to offer is her looks.

Seven is an ultimately ironic character. For all her beauty, for all her brilliance, she's really damaged. She has no idea how to relate to other people, so she suppresses her emotions (she does have them). She was assimilated at 6 years old. How's that for childhood trauma?

She brings more drama to the show than Kes did.

And she does that in spite of her beauty, not because of it.

I'd given up on Voyager as boring during season 3. I tuned in to season 4 with the same attitude you have right now--I wanted to see the blonde crash and burn.

However, unlike you, I did "fall for her" by the end of "The Gift."

But I'm not sure where I'll fit into your Voyager viewer spectrum. I'm a straight woman who really doesn't care what Seven looks like.

Lucifer_

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Report this Apr. 23 2010, 10:42 pm

You can see her one last time in "Fury." Controversial among the fans, I'll let you decide what to make of it. We have a whole other thread on that going on right now.

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Report this Apr. 24 2010, 7:26 am

Quote (teya1020 @ April 23 2010, 8:23 pm)
Quote (DeannaTRiker @ April 23 2010, 8:12 pm)
Quote (teya1020 @ April 22 2010, 4:45 pm)
Quote (DeannaTRiker @ April 22 2010, 9:45 pm)
Quote (VioletCloud @ April 21 2010, 3:55 pm)
Kes was good... ?but you will fall for Seven too!


Seven does bring a different feel to the show.. but its not a bad one.. just a change.

*groans* I can see how some viewers would "fall for Seven."

What do you mean?

Seven is ridiculously gorgeous in every way. Did the show require such a character to increase number of viewers?

So, a "ridiculously" gorgeous woman can't also be smart?

A "ridiculously" gorgeous woman can't be a strong character?

Funny, Jeri herself is both smart and strong. And one of her pet peeves is people assuming, as you have with Seven, that all she has to offer is her looks.

Seven is an ultimately ironic character. For all her beauty, for all her brilliance, she's really damaged. She has no idea how to relate to other people, so she suppresses her emotions (she does have them). She was assimilated at 6 years old. How's that for childhood trauma?

She brings more drama to the show than Kes did.

And she does that in spite of her beauty, not because of it.

I'd given up on Voyager as boring during season 3. I tuned in to season 4 with the same attitude you have right now--I wanted to see the blonde crash and burn.

However, unlike you, I did "fall for her" by the end of "The Gift."

But I'm not sure where I'll fit into your Voyager viewer spectrum. I'm a straight woman who really doesn't care what Seven looks like.

Deanna is only half way through the series for the first time. Her impression of Seven at this point is consistent with almost everyone's first impression: That she was only a sex symbol created to draw more male viewers.

Just give it some time Deanna.

I'm a straight woman too and it took me a little longer to appreciate Seven also. :eyesroll:

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