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Why didn't they do a TNG Dominion War movie?

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Report this Apr. 13 2010, 3:14 am

I have a question: Why didn't they do a TNG movie that tied in with the Dominion War?  I mean, the TNG movie timeline falls right in the Dominion War, and as the flagship of the Federation, I think it's safe to assume that the Enterprise saw it's fair share of action.  Not to mention they could have even put in a DS9 cameo if they wanted, which might have boosted ratings, which had declined since TNG ended.

Seems like a pretty common sense idea to me. Why did this never happen?

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Report this Apr. 13 2010, 4:07 am

i wud have loved a movie like that :)

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Report this Apr. 13 2010, 8:35 am

Because sci-fi "war" shows are a dime-a-dozen.

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Report this Apr. 13 2010, 8:44 am

It's Star Trek, not Star Wars.

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Report this Apr. 13 2010, 3:40 pm

Because the DS9 audience would watch the movie, but the movie audience wouldn't watch the show. DS9 might have had good ratings for a syndicated science fiction show, but not enough people would be familiar with it for a movie to work. That's the reason a DS9 movie never happened, and why the TNG movies steared clear of anything that would require audiences to know about DS9.

It basically would have ended with Picard turning to the camera and saying, "You've paid $8 to sit here for two hours, but now you have to go home and watch DS9 every week to find out what happens next!"

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Report this Apr. 13 2010, 6:19 pm

Quote (Pooneil @ April 13 2010, 3:40 pm)
Because the DS9 audience would watch the movie, but the movie audience wouldn't watch the show. DS9 might have had good ratings for a syndicated science fiction show, but not enough people would be familiar with it for a movie to work. That's the reason a DS9 movie never happened, and why the TNG movies steared clear of anything that would require audiences to know about DS9.

It basically would have ended with Picard turning to the camera and saying, "You've paid $8 to sit here for two hours, but now you have to go home and watch DS9 every week to find out what happens next!"

I don't believe this to be the truth. They could have set a quality TNG movie in the contexts of the Dominion War. It could have a Star Trek movie feel to it as well. Just because there is a war going on and the characters are fighting it does not mean there is not possible stories to tell within that war that could have stood alone as a movie, a very Star Trek movie. There is no reason why DS9 could not have been a prop in a TNG movie. Hell it would have better explained the "why is Worf there" questions much better. A cameo by Sisko would have been much better recieved by me than the bull-crap Admiral Jayneway. Hell I am not even a DS9 fan!

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Report this Apr. 13 2010, 8:23 pm

Quote (cptdon @ April 13 2010, 6:19 pm)
Quote (Pooneil @ April 13 2010, 3:40 pm)
Because the DS9 audience would watch the movie, but the movie audience wouldn't watch the show. DS9 might have had good ratings for a syndicated science fiction show, but not enough people would be familiar with it for a movie to work. That's the reason a DS9 movie never happened, and why the TNG movies steared clear of anything that would require audiences to know about DS9.

It basically would have ended with Picard turning to the camera and saying, "You've paid $8 to sit here for two hours, but now you have to go home and watch DS9 every week to find out what happens next!"

I don't believe this to be the truth. They could have set a quality TNG movie in the contexts of the Dominion War. It could have a Star Trek movie feel to it as well. Just because there is a war going on and the characters are fighting it does not mean there is not possible stories to tell within that war that could have stood alone as a movie, a very Star Trek movie. There is no reason why DS9 could not have been a prop in a TNG movie. Hell it would have better explained the "why is Worf there" questions much better. A cameo by Sisko would have been much better recieved by me than the bull-crap Admiral Jayneway. Hell I am not even a DS9 fan!

Took the words right out of my mouth.

And just because it wouldn't show the end of the war doesn't mean that it still couldn't find a significant battle (like a crucial turning point) to make the movie about.  I mean, not every war movie shows the end of the war that's featured in it.

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Report this Apr. 13 2010, 8:32 pm

A Dominion War movie would have been excellent.  I was so disappointed when they didn't do one.  It was the perfect setting for one.

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Report this Apr. 13 2010, 10:11 pm

Only Star Trek fans would go to see that type of movie and there are not enough of them to make a large budget movie financially profitable.

If Paramount felt that a TNG/DS9 Dominion War move would make them a ton of money that would have done it.  :logical:

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Report this Apr. 14 2010, 12:09 pm

Quote (SpaceTherapist @ April 13 2010, 10:11 pm)
Only Star Trek fans would go to see that type of movie and there are not enough of them to make a large budget movie financially profitable.

If Paramount felt that a TNG/DS9 Dominion War move would make them a ton of money that would have done it. ¿:logical:

What about INS and NEM? Those were pretty much "Trek Fan" movies and, well, the fans didn't like them.

Following the success of FC, I think it would have been pretty easy to bring in a few dollars with (another) action film revolving around the Dominion War.

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Report this Apr. 14 2010, 1:01 pm

Quote (USSKirk @ April 14 2010, 12:09 pm)
Quote (SpaceTherapist @ April 13 2010, 10:11 pm)
Only Star Trek fans would go to see that type of movie and there are not enough of them to make a large budget movie financially profitable.

If Paramount felt that a TNG/DS9 Dominion War move would make them a ton of money that would have done it. ?:logical:

What about INS and NEM? Those were pretty much "Trek Fan" movies and, well, the fans didn't like them.

Following the success of FC, I think it would have been pretty easy to bring in a few dollars with (another) action film revolving around the Dominion War.

I think you are mis-reading it a bit here.

The fans still went to see INS and NEM...but pretty much ONLY the fans, and likely ONLY certain segments of the fanbase.

"Going to see it" and "liking it" are two very different things.

First Contact had universal appeal. The Borg were a well-known adversary, even to non-fans. TNG was a very popular series, and "First Contact" was based on perhaps that series' most popular episode. The critics gave the film a lot of positive word-of-mouth.

A "Dominion War" film, based on a series that was MUCH less accepted by the general public would have lacked several of these elements that drove First Contacts (almost completely unique) success as a post-TOS film. I respectfully disagree that "(another) action film revolving around the Dominion War" would have brought in money. It would have been viewed as "more of the same" and a "been there, done that," escapade...very similar to how Nemesis was viewed by critics, audiences, and fans.

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Report this Apr. 14 2010, 2:20 pm

Quote (SpaceTherapist @ April 13 2010, 10:11 pm)
Only Star Trek fans would go to see that type of movie and there are not enough of them to make a large budget movie financially profitable.

If Paramount felt that a TNG/DS9 Dominion War move would make them a ton of money that would have done it. ¿:logical:

Paramount makes a movie because they think it will make money, sure, but like every other movie company they produce a bomb like Nem more than a blockbuster. Taking this into effect they could have if they so desired, made a great movie using the events of the DW. Lots of people go to see movies that have no TV support for them at all. This notion that they would have to follow a TV series is foolish at best. This notion that a movie has to or should be, centered around one great set of villains or an episode is hogwash. If they had made a good movie with INS, I would have bought a ticket to NEM, that said I did not. When I saw it on DVD, it made me sick how crappy it was.

The problem or strength with TNG movies is not viewership on TV or favorite episodes, it is piss poor movie writing. Trek writers make great TV, OK movies.

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Report this Apr. 14 2010, 3:23 pm

Quote (cptdon @ April 13 2010, 3:20 pm)
Quote (SpaceTherapist @ April 13 2010, 10:11 pm)
Only Star Trek fans would go to see that type of movie and there are not enough of them to make a large budget movie financially profitable.

If Paramount felt that a TNG/DS9 Dominion War move would make them a ton of money that would have done it. ?:logical:

Paramount makes a movie because they think it will make money, sure, but like every other movie company they produce a bomb like Nem more than a blockbuster. Taking this into effect they could have if they so desired, made a great movie using the events of the DW. Lots of people go to see movies that have no TV support for them at all. This notion that they would have to follow a TV series is foolish at best. This notion that a movie has to or should be, centered around one great set of villains or an episode is hogwash. If they had made a good movie with INS, I would have bought a ticket to NEM, that said I did not. When I saw it on DVD, it made me sick how crappy it was.

The problem or strength with TNG movies is not viewership on TV or favorite episodes, it is piss poor movie writing. Trek writers make great TV, OK movies.

I am not saying that a good DW movie couldn't be made I just think that it would appeal to only a small section of the intended audience. Had Nemesis and Insurrection been more successful then maybe it would have been more financially feasible. But todays movies need to bring in more people than just the target audience.

Non-fans of DS9 who never heard of the Dominion War wouldn't even know what is was or care about it.

Sorry this all sounds too fan wankish to me. Sure a Star Trek movie with the Dominion War as a back drop could have been alright but not as the main focus of a story. Stories need to be more personal.

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Report this Apr. 14 2010, 5:30 pm

Quote (SpaceTherapist @ April 14 2010, 3:23 pm)
Quote (cptdon @ April 13 2010, 3:20 pm)
Quote (SpaceTherapist @ April 13 2010, 10:11 pm)
Only Star Trek fans would go to see that type of movie and there are not enough of them to make a large budget movie financially profitable.

If Paramount felt that a TNG/DS9 Dominion War move would make them a ton of money that would have done it. ?:logical:

Paramount makes a movie because they think it will make money, sure, but like every other movie company they produce a bomb like Nem more than a blockbuster. Taking this into effect they could have if they so desired, made a great movie using the events of the DW. Lots of people go to see movies that have no TV support for them at all. This notion that they would have to follow a TV series is foolish at best. This notion that a movie has to or should be, centered around one great set of villains or an episode is hogwash. If they had made a good movie with INS, I would have bought a ticket to NEM, that said I did not. When I saw it on DVD, it made me sick how crappy it was.

The problem or strength with TNG movies is not viewership on TV or favorite episodes, it is piss poor movie writing. Trek writers make great TV, OK movies.

I am not saying that a good DW movie couldn't be made I just think that it would appeal to only a small section of the intended audience. Had Nemesis and Insurrection been more successful then maybe it would have been more financially feasible. But todays movies need to bring in more people than just the target audience.

Non-fans of DS9 who never heard of the Dominion War wouldn't even know what is was or care about it.

Sorry this all sounds too fan wankish to me. Sure a Star Trek movie with the Dominion War as a back drop could have been alright but not as the main focus of a story. Stories need to be more personal.

Yes, I do agree with your last line there, totally.

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Report this Apr. 15 2010, 3:44 am

Quote (Vger23 @ April 13 2010, 8:35 am)
Because sci-fi "war" shows are a dime-a-dozen.

Yeah that.

DS9 covered the war well enough in it's latter seasons.

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