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Pooneil

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Report this Apr. 13 2010, 3:30 pm

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A series run by Moore might have the right tension and uncertainty a post-ST:XI 24th century in the prime timeline might have, were CBS allowed to use those aspects of the movie on TV.

Romulus and Remus are destroyed, the Klingons, Cardassians and Breen will be drooling to take over Romulan territory, there will be military and political upheaval within the Empire...and doubtlessly, Starfleet will end up stuck being the referee.

:logical:

Gosh, that sounds...boring.

Politics, war, violence -- I get enough of that reading the newspaper.

Remember, Roddenberry designed Star Trek to be able to comment on present day social, political and moral situations...

So wouldn't it stand to reason...?

Trek could actually get back to it's roots.

:logical:

I'm all for Star Trek getting back to its roots...but I don't think that means making a show about galactic politics. Social commentary and science fiction morality plays are what made Star Trek, with the odd allegorical story about the Cold War.

I don't see what's so exciting about Klingons and Cardassians and other various galactic empires struggling to take over another galactic empire. Maybe a good writer could turn it into something interesting, but on the surface it just sounds tedious. Star Trek is about people, not alien nation-states.

I agree with Vger that Trek should stick to its heritage of optimism and adventure. As much as I like BSG, that's not where I want Trek to go. A new series could be full to bursting with Klingons, Breen, Borg, phasers, quantum torpedoes, and technobabble, but without that sense of optimism it wouldn't really be Trek, IMO.

Forgive me for being blunt, but when I read topics like this (there have been many) I don't see Trek fans eager for hard-hitting social commentary, I just see a lot of people hungry for epic space battles and cool special effects. That's what a war-themed show would deliver.

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Report this Apr. 13 2010, 5:49 pm

I think if they did a series based off the last movie. It would be a short lived series.

Now I would like to see a survival type series. Where all life is being threatened. Planets being blockaded by the alien force, and ect. But those who were able to escape into hiding gather to fight. Bring back some of the fans favorite characters such as Janeway, Seven, Picard, Riker and others to make an appearance once in a while.

Now the enemy? I was watching some TOS the other day. Maybe the race that developed the Doomsday Machine.

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Report this Apr. 13 2010, 7:00 pm

Quote (Draven84 @ April 13 2010, 5:49 pm)
I think if they did a series based off the last movie. It would be a short lived series.

Now I would like to see a survival type series. Where all life is being threatened. Planets being blockaded by the alien force, and ect. But those who were able to escape into hiding gather to fight. Bring back some of the fans favorite characters such as Janeway, Seven, Picard, Riker and others to make an appearance once in a while.

Now the enemy? I was watching some TOS the other day. Maybe the race that developed the Doomsday Machine.

I don't think this is Star Trek, though.

This is just another dime-a-dozen sci-fi show. Just becuase it has ships with saucers and tubes as superstructure components and guys with colored shirts and arrowhead badges doesn't make it "Star Trek."

It would be like me saying "I'd love to see '24' get renewed as for new season, but take away the real-time aspect and make it about Jack Bauer after he's retired and he's dealing with his personal relationships and stuff." While that might be an interesting dramatic TV show, it's really NOT "24."

I don't think a typical sci-fi show where there's an overarching "enemy" and a gritty "survival at all costs" week-to-week theme is something that would want to see on Star Trek. Star Trek is a great many things...but it is NOT this kind of show.

I'm the first guy to argue about how diverse and wonderfully varied Trek is, but this just isn't the show I'd want to see with the name "Star Trek" attached to it.

I can never get my head wrapped around Star Trek fans who call for this kind of stuff. I mean, what show have some of you guys been watching?

Sorry.

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Report this Apr. 13 2010, 7:01 pm

Quote (Pooneil @ April 13 2010, 3:30 pm)
Quote (starbase63 @ April 12 2010, 9:27 am)
Quote (Pooneil @ April 11 2010, 2:29 pm)
Quote (starbase63 @ April 10 2010, 10:20 am)
A series run by Moore might have the right tension and uncertainty a post-ST:XI 24th century in the prime timeline might have, were CBS allowed to use those aspects of the movie on TV.

Romulus and Remus are destroyed, the Klingons, Cardassians and Breen will be drooling to take over Romulan territory, there will be military and political upheaval within the Empire...and doubtlessly, Starfleet will end up stuck being the referee.

:logical:

Gosh, that sounds...boring.

Politics, war, violence -- I get enough of that reading the newspaper.

Remember, Roddenberry designed Star Trek to be able to comment on present day social, political and moral situations...

So wouldn't it stand to reason...?

Trek could actually get back to it's roots.

:logical:

I'm all for Star Trek getting back to its roots...but I don't think that means making a show about galactic politics. Social commentary and science fiction morality plays are what made Star Trek, with the odd allegorical story about the Cold War.

I don't see what's so exciting about Klingons and Cardassians and other various galactic empires struggling to take over another galactic empire. Maybe a good writer could turn it into something interesting, but on the surface it just sounds tedious. Star Trek is about people, not alien nation-states.

I agree with Vger that Trek should stick to its heritage of optimism and adventure. As much as I like BSG, that's not where I want Trek to go. A new series could be full to bursting with Klingons, Breen, Borg, phasers, quantum torpedoes, and technobabble, but without that sense of optimism it wouldn't really be Trek, IMO.

Forgive me for being blunt, but when I read topics like this (there have been many) I don't see Trek fans eager for hard-hitting social commentary, I just see a lot of people hungry for epic space battles and cool special effects. That's what a war-themed show would deliver.

That's all I was trying to say earlier. Perhaps you said it better than I could have!

:)

A war-themed show WOULD be tedious and stale. It is the biggest "outer space" sci-fi cliche imaginable. DS9 has already done it with great success, and ENT tried the "dark, survival" arc with the Zindi thing with mixed results.

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Report this Apr. 13 2010, 11:40 pm

Quote (Vger23 @ April 13 2010, 7:00 pm)
Quote (Draven84 @ April 13 2010, 5:49 pm)
I think if they did a series based off the last movie. It would be a short lived series.

Now I would like to see a survival type series. Where all life is being threatened. Planets being blockaded by the alien force, and ect. But those who were able to escape into hiding gather to fight. Bring back some of the fans favorite characters such as Janeway, Seven, Picard, Riker and others to make an appearance once in a while.

Now the enemy? I was watching some TOS the other day. Maybe the race that developed the Doomsday Machine.

I don't think this is Star Trek, though.

This is just another dime-a-dozen sci-fi show. Just becuase it has ships with saucers and tubes as superstructure components and guys with colored shirts and arrowhead badges doesn't make it "Star Trek."

It would be like me saying "I'd love to see '24' get renewed as for new season, but take away the real-time aspect and make it about Jack Bauer after he's retired and he's dealing with his personal relationships and stuff." While that might be an interesting dramatic TV show, it's really NOT "24."

I don't think a typical sci-fi show where there's an overarching "enemy" and a gritty "survival at all costs" week-to-week theme is something that would want to see on Star Trek. Star Trek is a great many things...but it is NOT this kind of show.

I'm the first guy to argue about how diverse and wonderfully varied Trek is, but this just isn't the show I'd want to see with the name "Star Trek" attached to it.

I can never get my head wrapped around Star Trek fans who call for this kind of stuff. I mean, what show have some of you guys been watching?

Sorry.

This is what I thought the last movie was. Hey lets kinda base it on what once was, tip the hat a bit and do this. Because the names and uniforms are the same, with a ship that is kinda like the old one, it is Star Trek. But most of all it is Star Trek because they call it Star Trek, period. That is kinda sad in a way.

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Report this Apr. 14 2010, 2:58 am

Quote (Vger23 @ April 13 2010, 10:00 pm)
I don't think a typical sci-fi show where there's an overarching "enemy" and a gritty "survival at all costs" week-to-week theme is something that would want to see on Star Trek. Star Trek is a great many things...but it is NOT this kind of show.

I'm the first guy to argue about how diverse and wonderfully varied Trek is, but this just isn't the show I'd want to see with the name "Star Trek" attached to it.

I can never get my head wrapped around Star Trek fans who call for this kind of stuff. I mean, what show have some of you guys been watching?

Um, DS9?

Ya know, the series whose dramatic success was credited to executive producers (and head writers) Ira Steven Behr and Ron Moore?

You're basically describing the Dominion War.

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Report this Apr. 14 2010, 12:23 pm

Quote (cptdon @ April 13 2010, 11:40 pm)
Quote (Vger23 @ April 13 2010, 7:00 pm)
Quote (Draven84 @ April 13 2010, 5:49 pm)
I think if they did a series based off the last movie. It would be a short lived series.

Now I would like to see a survival type series. Where all life is being threatened. Planets being blockaded by the alien force, and ect. But those who were able to escape into hiding gather to fight. Bring back some of the fans favorite characters such as Janeway, Seven, Picard, Riker and others to make an appearance once in a while.

Now the enemy? I was watching some TOS the other day. Maybe the race that developed the Doomsday Machine.

I don't think this is Star Trek, though.

This is just another dime-a-dozen sci-fi show. Just becuase it has ships with saucers and tubes as superstructure components and guys with colored shirts and arrowhead badges doesn't make it "Star Trek."

It would be like me saying "I'd love to see '24' get renewed as for new season, but take away the real-time aspect and make it about Jack Bauer after he's retired and he's dealing with his personal relationships and stuff." While that might be an interesting dramatic TV show, it's really NOT "24."

I don't think a typical sci-fi show where there's an overarching "enemy" and a gritty "survival at all costs" week-to-week theme is something that would want to see on Star Trek. Star Trek is a great many things...but it is NOT this kind of show.

I'm the first guy to argue about how diverse and wonderfully varied Trek is, but this just isn't the show I'd want to see with the name "Star Trek" attached to it.

I can never get my head wrapped around Star Trek fans who call for this kind of stuff. I mean, what show have some of you guys been watching?

Sorry.

This is what I thought the last movie was. Hey lets kinda base it on what once was, tip the hat a bit and do this. Because the names and uniforms are the same, with a ship that is kinda like the old one, it is Star Trek. But most of all it is Star Trek because they call it Star Trek, period. That is kinda sad in a way.

That is YOUR perception of it. Your perception is no one's reality but your own.

I felt like the new movie best captured the spirit of MY personal take on what Trek is since the TOS movies wrapped. TNG was close, but a little too sterile and politically correct for me to say it captured what I PERSONALLY enjoy about Star Trek. I'm saying that a galactic war / politics show wouldn't capture my attention as what I PERSONALLY want out of a new Star Trek endeavour.

If the new movie didn't capture what YOU PERSONALLY value in Star Trek, well...that sucks I guess. I count myself fortunate to have gotten something that I found inspiring and refreshing, as it seems many others have.

:)

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Report this Apr. 14 2010, 12:29 pm

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Quote (Vger23 @ April 13 2010, 10:00 pm)
I don't think a typical sci-fi show where there's an overarching "enemy" and a gritty "survival at all costs" week-to-week theme is something that would want to see on Star Trek. Star Trek is a great many things...but it is NOT this kind of show.

I'm the first guy to argue about how diverse and wonderfully varied Trek is, but this just isn't the show I'd want to see with the name "Star Trek" attached to it.

I can never get my head wrapped around Star Trek fans who call for this kind of stuff. I mean, what show have some of you guys been watching?

Um, DS9?

Ya know, the series whose dramatic success was credited to executive producers (and head writers) Ira Steven Behr and Ron Moore?

You're basically describing the Dominion War.

Yeah,

And that's why I stopped watching DS9 when it aired and went that path.

I'm revisiting it now, mainly because my loving wife bought me the entire series on DVD and I'm curious to see what I missed. Besides, DS9 never lost sight of it's humanity or it's core as a "Star Trek" show, despite story arcs that were not up my alley.

But (once again), galactic politics, interstellar war, sci-fi gloom, and gritty life-or-death drama is not what I'm looking for in Star Trek. It's good occasionally and in a vaccum (Khan, BoBW, etc.), but for the most part it is tedious and drawn out cliche.

I liked Galactica because it was SUPPOSED to be the anti-Trek.

So, I guess my point is, if you want to have a show that has war, violence, doom-and-gloom, and galactic politics / power struggles...do what Ron Moore ALREADY DID and go make a DIFFERNT SHOW.

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Report this Apr. 14 2010, 2:39 pm

Quote (Vger23 @ April 14 2010, 12:23 pm)
Quote (cptdon @ April 13 2010, 11:40 pm)
Quote (Vger23 @ April 13 2010, 7:00 pm)
Quote (Draven84 @ April 13 2010, 5:49 pm)
I think if they did a series based off the last movie. It would be a short lived series.

Now I would like to see a survival type series. Where all life is being threatened. Planets being blockaded by the alien force, and ect. But those who were able to escape into hiding gather to fight. Bring back some of the fans favorite characters such as Janeway, Seven, Picard, Riker and others to make an appearance once in a while.

Now the enemy? I was watching some TOS the other day. Maybe the race that developed the Doomsday Machine.

I don't think this is Star Trek, though.

This is just another dime-a-dozen sci-fi show. Just becuase it has ships with saucers and tubes as superstructure components and guys with colored shirts and arrowhead badges doesn't make it "Star Trek."

It would be like me saying "I'd love to see '24' get renewed as for new season, but take away the real-time aspect and make it about Jack Bauer after he's retired and he's dealing with his personal relationships and stuff." While that might be an interesting dramatic TV show, it's really NOT "24."

I don't think a typical sci-fi show where there's an overarching "enemy" and a gritty "survival at all costs" week-to-week theme is something that would want to see on Star Trek. Star Trek is a great many things...but it is NOT this kind of show.

I'm the first guy to argue about how diverse and wonderfully varied Trek is, but this just isn't the show I'd want to see with the name "Star Trek" attached to it.

I can never get my head wrapped around Star Trek fans who call for this kind of stuff. I mean, what show have some of you guys been watching?

Sorry.

This is what I thought the last movie was. Hey lets kinda base it on what once was, tip the hat a bit and do this. Because the names and uniforms are the same, with a ship that is kinda like the old one, it is Star Trek. But most of all it is Star Trek because they call it Star Trek, period. That is kinda sad in a way.

That is YOUR perception of it. Your perception is no one's reality but your own.

I felt like the new movie best captured the spirit of MY personal take on what Trek is since the TOS movies wrapped. TNG was close, but a little too sterile and politically correct for me to say it captured what I PERSONALLY enjoy about Star Trek. I'm saying that a galactic war / politics show wouldn't capture my attention as what I PERSONALLY want out of a new Star Trek endeavour.

If the new movie didn't capture what YOU PERSONALLY value in Star Trek, well...that sucks I guess. I count myself fortunate to have gotten something that I found inspiring and refreshing, as it seems many others have.

:)

I see what you are saying there! BUT! It is not entirely true for either of us. You know there very large parts of fandom and the population as a whole that are on both of our sides. They share our viewpoints, and that make our opinions more than our own.

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Report this Apr. 14 2010, 7:24 pm

Quote (cptdon @ April 14 2010, 2:39 pm)
Quote (Vger23 @ April 14 2010, 12:23 pm)
Quote (cptdon @ April 13 2010, 11:40 pm)
Quote (Vger23 @ April 13 2010, 7:00 pm)
Quote (Draven84 @ April 13 2010, 5:49 pm)
I think if they did a series based off the last movie. It would be a short lived series.

Now I would like to see a survival type series. Where all life is being threatened. Planets being blockaded by the alien force, and ect. But those who were able to escape into hiding gather to fight. Bring back some of the fans favorite characters such as Janeway, Seven, Picard, Riker and others to make an appearance once in a while.

Now the enemy? I was watching some TOS the other day. Maybe the race that developed the Doomsday Machine.

I don't think this is Star Trek, though.

This is just another dime-a-dozen sci-fi show. Just becuase it has ships with saucers and tubes as superstructure components and guys with colored shirts and arrowhead badges doesn't make it "Star Trek."

It would be like me saying "I'd love to see '24' get renewed as for new season, but take away the real-time aspect and make it about Jack Bauer after he's retired and he's dealing with his personal relationships and stuff." While that might be an interesting dramatic TV show, it's really NOT "24."

I don't think a typical sci-fi show where there's an overarching "enemy" and a gritty "survival at all costs" week-to-week theme is something that would want to see on Star Trek. Star Trek is a great many things...but it is NOT this kind of show.

I'm the first guy to argue about how diverse and wonderfully varied Trek is, but this just isn't the show I'd want to see with the name "Star Trek" attached to it.

I can never get my head wrapped around Star Trek fans who call for this kind of stuff. I mean, what show have some of you guys been watching?

Sorry.

This is what I thought the last movie was. Hey lets kinda base it on what once was, tip the hat a bit and do this. Because the names and uniforms are the same, with a ship that is kinda like the old one, it is Star Trek. But most of all it is Star Trek because they call it Star Trek, period. That is kinda sad in a way.

That is YOUR perception of it. Your perception is no one's reality but your own.

I felt like the new movie best captured the spirit of MY personal take on what Trek is since the TOS movies wrapped. TNG was close, but a little too sterile and politically correct for me to say it captured what I PERSONALLY enjoy about Star Trek. I'm saying that a galactic war / politics show wouldn't capture my attention as what I PERSONALLY want out of a new Star Trek endeavour.

If the new movie didn't capture what YOU PERSONALLY value in Star Trek, well...that sucks I guess. I count myself fortunate to have gotten something that I found inspiring and refreshing, as it seems many others have.

:)

I see what you are saying there! BUT! It is not entirely true for either of us. You know there very large parts of fandom and the population as a whole that are on both of our sides. They share our viewpoints, and that make our opinions more than our own.

Perhaps,

But since I am neither into "rallying the troops for my cause" nor am I looking for some kind of support network...really the only thing that matters are my own tastes and perceptions and those of the individual with whom I am talking.

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Report this Apr. 15 2010, 4:33 pm

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He also says however that Trek is in good hand with Abrams and he liked the new movie.

http://trekmovie.com/2010....-series

Another thread got me thinking.

I think I would like to see a Robert Hewitt Wolfe/Manny Coto combination.

Moore would "darken" it up to much.

That would be the beauty of it...it would seem like dark times because of the situation, but of course the Federation would be working toward the bright happy ending to everything.

:logical:

It may sound like a dramatic goldmine, and a talented writer like Ron Moore might make it work. The bottom line is I watch Star Trek to be uplifted on a regular basis; if I want to be depressed I'll watch Battlestar Galactica. The two aren't mutually exclusive, and a show like DS9 or Babylon 5 can be dark and dramatic and ultimately optimistic, but they have to earn their happy endings with many years of doom and gloom. My favorite Trek series is TNG, precisely because it is the total opposite of shows like B5, DS9 or BSG -- not to mention so many other shows on today, like Lost or V or 24.

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