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what is starfleet enlisted boot camp is like

Legate_James_T_Shatner

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Report this Apr. 10 2010, 2:18 am

1. Starfleet Academy is typically four years.

2. Something along the lines of "instructor"

3. I'm sure there are similarities.

4. "master chief petty officer" sounds like an oxymoron since a petty officer isn't a high rank. Most likely a high-ranking admiral oversees Starfleet, and might be attached to the president of the federation.

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Report this Apr. 10 2010, 3:35 pm

1. 4 years like college
2. they have instructors like weapons, self defense, drill instructor, etc...
3. I guess they dont' have to since people fight over each other to get admitted to starfleet
4. they don't have sub ranks like that. it's ensign-lt. jr grade-lt-lt commander-commander-captain-fleet captain-commodore-rear admiral-vice admiral-admiral-fleet admiral-the one who oversees starfleet-commander in chief (president)

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Report this Apr. 10 2010, 4:08 pm

Quote (GHOSTREK @ April 10 2010, 12:41 am)
what is starfleet enlisted boot camp is like

1. how long is it

2. what dose starfleet call drill segrants

3. dose starfleet Recruiters like todays military

4. dose starfleet has master cheif petty officer of starfleet

I did some research on this when starting my Trek fan club.

Not all members of Starfleet go to the Academy, or not in the same way. There are enlisted members of Starfleet and they do have petty officers. In the TOS your enlisted officers were in jumpsuits. In TNG Chief O'Brien was a non commissioned officer.

Miles O'Brien's highest official rank was, Senior Chief Petty Officer, though he may have held the field commission of Ensign and Lieutenant aboard the USS Enterprise at different times.  

All of this can be confirmed in several places, but Memory Alpha is a simple place to start.

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Report this Apr. 10 2010, 7:37 pm

Quote (cptdon @ April 10 2010, 4:08 pm)
Quote (GHOSTREK @ April 10 2010, 12:41 am)
what is starfleet enlisted boot camp is like

1. how long is it

2. what dose starfleet call drill segrants

3. dose starfleet Recruiters like todays military

4. dose starfleet has master cheif petty officer of starfleet

I did some research on this when starting my Trek fan club.

Not all members of Starfleet go to the Academy, or not in the same way. There are enlisted members of Starfleet and they do have petty officers. In the TOS your enlisted officers were in jumpsuits. In TNG Chief O'Brien was a non commissioned officer.

Miles O'Brien's highest official rank was, Senior Chief Petty Officer, though he may have held the field commission of Ensign and Lieutenant aboard the USS Enterprise at different times. ¿

All of this can be confirmed in several places, but Memory Alpha is a simple place to start.

I forgot about the non comissioned officers.  I just count the ensigns as the lowest ranking people in starfleet.

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Report this Apr. 11 2010, 2:33 pm

Instead of my original clever and snarky reply, I'll answer fairly: Nobody knows anything about Starfleet bootcamp, or enlisted personnel. As far as we know the former doesn't exist, and the latter only seem to exist part of the time. O'brien is really the only enlisted crewman to appear on a regular basis. There have been a few on DS9, and maybe one or two on TOS, but only one that I remember from TNG. Most of them have been engineers or nurses.

It helps if you don't think of Starfleet as directly analogous to today's military.

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Report this Nov. 08 2010, 6:19 am

Actually, Master Chief Petty Officer is used by the Navy and the Coast Guard in their rank structure.  (I'm a former Navy Officer).  Nicknamed "Master Chief", the E-9 level provides the senior most enlisted advisor to different commands. 


Enlisted ranks are established in the ST canon most notably by O'Brien.  However, what one does to "enlist" in Startfleet tends to vary from source to source.


Personally, I imagine it as a way for folks who might want to explore or learn a technical skill, but aren't as interested in the managerial or command levels of Starfleet to serve in the Federation.   There would have to be some sort of indoc course equivalent to boot camp, plus some further skill training in their specific areas.


But again, its not supposed to have a direct connection to modern day understanding of the military.

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Report this Nov. 17 2010, 12:43 am

Simon Tarses originally went to Starfleet Enlisted Academy (also in the San Francisco area), before attending Starfleet Academy. Since Starfleet uses naval ranks, enlisted personnel probably train much as current navy personnel do. (I think a starship is much like a submarine, except it is surrounded by space, rather than by water.) Different branches (such as Security or Medical) take additional training afterward, similar to Advanced Training in the 21st century military.

Var Miklama--Zakdorn, engineer. "A sound mind in a FULL body!" "Time, like latinum, is a limited quantity in the galaxy."

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Report this Nov. 17 2010, 5:52 am

Since starfleet is not military at heart, I hope it doesn't have a boot camp. I would expect this to be like a grad school for security personnel. The existence of a boot camp would be antithetical to the federation which supposedly does not have any formal military. Starfleet acts more like colonial minute men when called for defensive service.

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Report this Nov. 17 2010, 11:26 am

Quote: Matthias Russell @ Nov. 17 2010, 5:52 am

Since starfleet is not military at heart, I hope it doesn't have a boot camp. I would expect this to be like a grad school for security personnel. The existence of a boot camp would be antithetical to the federation which supposedly does not have any formal military. Starfleet acts more like colonial minute men when called for defensive service.


However.....given the various interstellar wars the Federation were involved into and the current threats to it requires, no demands the need for a standardized and professional armed forces to defend it.

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Report this Nov. 17 2010, 11:35 am

Agreed. But that is not why starfleet exists. This has always been a complaint of mine, the federation should have a formal military operating outside of starfleet. Ent had separate MACOs, that's the way to go. Sister organizations that are separate but coexist. Besides, formal training doesn't require a modern form of boot camp.

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Report this Nov. 18 2010, 9:34 pm

Physical fitness would probably be highly stressed, to build up the crewmembers' endurance. I think team sports would be good, since they emphasize placing the team's success above an individual's honors. And, of course, they would probably be drilled in Starfleet protocols.
Then, they would probably be taught their specialties in advanced training, afterward.

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