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SupremeAdmiralBeviKathiK

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Report this Apr. 08 2010, 1:00 pm

Tory Youth plan

So Gordon Brown has finally called an election. Finally.
Something which interests me is the Tories' plan for a 'national citizen service'. The idea behind it is sound. Kids today DO need direction... I don't know about internationally but definately here. But how would this be funded as pointed out by the Lib Dems and Labour.... Thoughts people?  Who should be the new party :D

Garak_3473

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Report this Apr. 08 2010, 1:09 pm

Obama wanted something similar, I was against it. I would be against it in your country too. The schools should give kids direction, if they aren't, why would a government mandatory program work?

SupremeAdmiralBeviKathiK

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Report this Apr. 08 2010, 1:13 pm

The school systems are not working... Theres nothing outside of school for them and parents aren't helping.. I speak only about england here.
The kids need something more productive to focus on...

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Report this Apr. 08 2010, 1:18 pm

Quote (SupremeAdmiralBeviKathiK @ April 08 2010, 12:13 pm)
The school systems are not working... Theres nothing outside of school for them and parents aren't helping.. I speak only about england here.
The kids need something more productive to focus on...

So there are no after school activities?

Look, kids have more things to do now than ever before. Video games, movies, internet, etc...

What about just going outside to play? Oh right, parents are too paranoid for that.

The kids aren't the problem and neither is the list of possible activities. Don't let the government turn them into free labor.

SupremeAdmiralBeviKathiK

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Report this Apr. 08 2010, 1:21 pm

It's a team building excersise. Those things you're listing aren't neccesarily postive activities for the kids are they? Crime.. Obesity... all on the rise... And those things may have something to do with it.. They DO need something else...to do... to respect... to believe in since parents are all namby pamby now  and let the kids do whateevvvvvvvver they want.

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Report this Apr. 08 2010, 1:28 pm

Quote (SupremeAdmiralBeviKathiK @ April 08 2010, 12:21 pm)
It's a team building excersise. Those things you're listing aren't neccesarily postive activities for the kids are they? Crime.. Obesity... all on the rise... And those things may have something to do with it.. They DO need something else...to do... to respect... to believe in since parents are all namby pamby now ?and let the kids do whateevvvvvvvver they want.

Video games are criminal activity?

Going on the internet is criminal activity?

Watching movies is criminal activity?

Playing outside is criminal activity?


No, none of the things I mentioned are crimes nor are they linked to crime. All of those activities are as positive and negative as the child participating in them makes them, like anything else. These things do not have a leaning toward crime.

As for teamwork, well, playing video games is not the solo activity it used to be and I think that once another person posts in this thread...you will see teamwork in action right here on the INTERNET. No matter which side they choose, they will be choosing a side (ie, teamwork).

I'll bet people even watch movies together.

Do tell, what do you have against playing outside?

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Report this Apr. 08 2010, 1:30 pm

Quote (Yanks @ April 08 2010, 12:27 pm)
Quote (SupremeAdmiralBeviKathiK @ April 08 2010, 1:00 pm)
Tory Youth plan

So Gordon Brown has finally called an election. Finally.
Something which interests me is the Tories' plan for a 'national citizen service'. The idea behind it is sound. Kids today DO need direction... I don't know about internationally but definately here. But how would this be funded as pointed out by the Lib Dems and Labour.... Thoughts people? ?Who should be the new party :D

The day we rely on the Government or the schools to "give our kids direction" is the day we surrender our freedom. This "program" is not needed or desired. My wife and I provide guidance to our children and if we need help we ask for it.

Schools should teach, not "guide" because the guidance part allows politics to come into play.

I'm all for a voluntary program that youth can be enrolled in, but nothing mandatory.

"Hitler's Youth" ring a bell anyone?

Indeed

SupremeAdmiralBeviKathiK

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Report this Apr. 08 2010, 1:31 pm

Quote (Yanks @ April 08 2010, 6:27 pm)
Quote (SupremeAdmiralBeviKathiK @ April 08 2010, 1:00 pm)
Tory Youth plan

So Gordon Brown has finally called an election. Finally.
Something which interests me is the Tories' plan for a 'national citizen service'. The idea behind it is sound. Kids today DO need direction... I don't know about internationally but definately here. But how would this be funded as pointed out by the Lib Dems and Labour.... Thoughts people? ?Who should be the new party :D

The day we rely on the Government or the schools to "give our kids direction" is the day we surrender our freedom. This "program" is not needed or desired. My wife and I provide guidance to our children and if we need help we ask for it.

Schools should teach, not "guide" because the guidance part allows politics to come into play.

I'm all for a voluntary program that youth can be enrolled in, but nothing mandatory.

"Hitler's Youth" ring a bell anyone?

I never said mandatory...
Kinda like church youth club which is not cool...

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Report this Apr. 08 2010, 1:32 pm

Quote (SupremeAdmiralBeviKathiK @ April 08 2010, 12:31 pm)
Quote (Yanks @ April 08 2010, 6:27 pm)
Quote (SupremeAdmiralBeviKathiK @ April 08 2010, 1:00 pm)
Tory Youth plan

So Gordon Brown has finally called an election. Finally.
Something which interests me is the Tories' plan for a 'national citizen service'. The idea behind it is sound. Kids today DO need direction... I don't know about internationally but definately here. But how would this be funded as pointed out by the Lib Dems and Labour.... Thoughts people? ?Who should be the new party :D

The day we rely on the Government or the schools to "give our kids direction" is the day we surrender our freedom. This "program" is not needed or desired. My wife and I provide guidance to our children and if we need help we ask for it.

Schools should teach, not "guide" because the guidance part allows politics to come into play.

I'm all for a voluntary program that youth can be enrolled in, but nothing mandatory.

"Hitler's Youth" ring a bell anyone?

I never said mandatory...
Kinda like church youth club which is not cool...

Wouldn't such a program be mandatory. I know Obama's plan was.

Besides, non mandatory youth clubs are all over, join one of those.

SupremeAdmiralBeviKathiK

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Report this Apr. 08 2010, 1:34 pm

Quote (Garak_3473 @ April 08 2010, 6:28 pm)
Quote (SupremeAdmiralBeviKathiK @ April 08 2010, 12:21 pm)
It's a team building excersise. Those things you're listing aren't neccesarily postive activities for the kids are they? Crime.. Obesity... all on the rise... And those things may have something to do with it.. They DO need something else...to do... to respect... to believe in since parents are all namby pamby now ?and let the kids do whateevvvvvvvver they want.

Video games are criminal activity?

Going on the internet is criminal activity?

Watching movies is criminal activity?

Playing outside is criminal activity?


No, none of the things I mentioned are crimes nor are they linked to crime. All of those activities are as positive and negative as the child participating in them makes them, like anything else. These things do not have a leaning toward crime.

As for teamwork, well, playing video games is not the solo activity it used to be and I think that once another person posts in this thread...you will see teamwork in action right here on the INTERNET. No matter which side they choose, they will be choosing a side (ie, teamwork).

I'll bet people even watch movies together.

Do tell, what do you have against playing outside?

I don't. I think you'll find I never said that. My main criticism is of parenting skills of the parents today.. Nothing is done in reasonable quantities... And YES they are related!!!!
Seriously?
Even just in some kids I know I have noticed them being alot more violent...  and kids dont play outside... because of these games propgating anti social behaviour and in some cases obesity...

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Report this Apr. 08 2010, 1:36 pm

By the way How you doing Riker? Still championing fathers rights?

Garak_3473

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Report this Apr. 08 2010, 1:40 pm

Quote (SupremeAdmiralBeviKathiK @ April 08 2010, 12:34 pm)
Quote (Garak_3473 @ April 08 2010, 6:28 pm)
Quote (SupremeAdmiralBeviKathiK @ April 08 2010, 12:21 pm)
It's a team building excersise. Those things you're listing aren't neccesarily postive activities for the kids are they? Crime.. Obesity... all on the rise... And those things may have something to do with it.. They DO need something else...to do... to respect... to believe in since parents are all namby pamby now ?and let the kids do whateevvvvvvvver they want.

Video games are criminal activity?

Going on the internet is criminal activity?

Watching movies is criminal activity?

Playing outside is criminal activity?


No, none of the things I mentioned are crimes nor are they linked to crime. All of those activities are as positive and negative as the child participating in them makes them, like anything else. These things do not have a leaning toward crime.

As for teamwork, well, playing video games is not the solo activity it used to be and I think that once another person posts in this thread...you will see teamwork in action right here on the INTERNET. No matter which side they choose, they will be choosing a side (ie, teamwork).

I'll bet people even watch movies together.

Do tell, what do you have against playing outside?

I don't. I think you'll find I never said that. My main criticism is of parenting skills of the parents today.. Nothing is done in reasonable quantities... And YES they are related!!!!
Seriously?
Even just in some kids I know I have noticed them being alot more violent... ¿and kids dont play outside... because of these games propgating anti social behaviour and in some cases obesity...

The government is WHY parents don't discipline. If it's anything like here in the US, a spanking is a risky thing to do.

What are parents afraid of? The government and a bunch of nosy neighbors.

Politically correct punishments like time-outs don't work all the time and when parents run out of PC punishments, they do nothing.

Poor parenting skills? Well, who taught those skills to parents? Who told parents that a spanking is abuse? Who told parents to be very afraid of letting their children play outside? Who told parents that there are child molesters everywhere? What's changed since I was a kid 30 year ago?

The kids are still kids and the parents are just reacting to modern age fears that are rammed down their throats, government intrusion being one of those fears.

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Report this Apr. 08 2010, 1:41 pm

Quote (SupremeAdmiralBeviKathiK @ April 08 2010, 12:36 pm)
By the way How you doing Riker? Still championing fathers rights?

Absolutely.  :)

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Report this Apr. 08 2010, 1:42 pm

Quote (anderbilt @ April 08 2010, 12:36 pm)
Quote (Garak_3473 @ April 08 2010, 11:09 am)
Obama wanted something similar, I was against it. I would be against it in your country too. The schools should give kids direction, if they aren't, why would a government mandatory program work?

Obama GOT something similar. ¿It's in the Edward M Kennedy Service To America bill that was signed into law a year ago this month. ¿ ¿All they have to do is to fund the right "dot org" and invoke the right clauses to require public service of school students. ¿Since all school loans will funnel through the US Government directly instead of just being federally insured, it will be easier to invoke any kind of "public service" requirement that they want. ¿ The bill funnels about ten times the normal funding amounts to a number of democratically connected volunteer and community-organizing groups too. ¿ ¿What a shocker. ¿

So England wants one of these bills too? ¿I thought they already did this kind of stuff.

Oh my, I should keep up with the news more I guess. Child labor laws be ####ed I guess.

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Report this Apr. 08 2010, 1:44 pm

Quote (Garak_3473 @ April 08 2010, 6:41 pm)
Quote (SupremeAdmiralBeviKathiK @ April 08 2010, 12:36 pm)
By the way How you doing Riker? Still championing fathers rights?

Absolutely. ¿:)

Good. Like I say.. I don't know about internationally but ALL I ever see near where I live is kids being allowed to roam around whenever whereever they want.. do drugs drink or play x box 24/7
If the parents would make more effort maybe it'd be better.
My own parents have had to take my brother in hand because he's too busy on x box and messing with girls to keep his grades up and while my parents are certainly NOT the best example of model parents there are many situations like it...

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