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teens who drove girl to suicide will be charged

nhranger

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Report this Apr. 02 2010, 8:20 pm

Quote (Admiral_JTK @ April 02 2010, 8:18 pm)
Quote (grigori @ April 02 2010, 7:28 pm)
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And if such was the case regarding the child in question being discussed in this thread....then in my view, they are just as much to blame for what happened to their child, as the bullies that drove her to suicide.

Where would such a child go for help when the ones she's supposed to depend on are probably too busy to even notice (if even care) that there is a problem?

You're absolutely right, the parents bear responsibility. (Don't get me started on those who've been and haven't been responsible for discussing the "family curse" in MY family! :D )

But even if the parents themselves are mal-adjusted or in denial, teachers should still be aware of the potential for a child to be having such problems. It happens often enough, anyway, and I've seen where teachers (and others adults)--even when they DO recognize the problem--treat the child more with irritation than understanding. They "kind of" know it's medical and not intentional, but then they go and act as if they "blame" the child...Not helping is the same as acting as if they think the child deserves what she gets.

I know it's a tough issue for some to deal with. But I believe teachers should be willing to handle it, same as they accommodate other disabilities. It's just a fact of life.

Well, in principle and in theory, I do agree with that in part....again, the world is a different place today than it was 20-30-40 years ago, and today, teachers, educational officials and even entire school districts can incur "problems" or "situations" upon themselves for getting involved in what would be viewed by many today, as over and above the pervue of their "responsibility".

Then at the same time, when tragedies do occur revolving issues taking place on school grounds, these very same educational officials come under fire from the public and the media as being lack-luster for not having gotten more involved - its a catch-22 for them, and there are very few if any left of the kind of educator that would up and say "screw the personal and professional consequences - there is a child in trouble from a serious problem and as an educator (not to mention human being), I am somewhat obliged to help if I can."

Just even asking questions today about such things can land an educator in a boat load of litigious investigation - even from the parents of the very child he or she is trying to help.

so true.

grigori

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Report this Apr. 02 2010, 8:34 pm

Quote (Admiral_JTK @ April 02 2010, 8:18 pm)
...its a catch-22 for them, and there are very few if any left of the kind of educator that would up and say "screw the personal and professional consequences - there is a child in trouble from a serious problem and as an educator (not to mention human being), I am somewhat obliged to help if I can."

Just even asking questions today about such things can land an educator in a boat load of litigious investigation - even from the parents of the very child he or she is trying to help.

*sigh* sadly, you are correct, I give you this. I speak from personal experience but I'm not all that current on teachers and teacher training (I knew 20 years ago they were beginning to be good at recognizing these problems, though, and were being trained to). I know even less about the kinds of lawsuits educators face today.

I just want to make the point that way too many people today "blame the victim", and it's reckless to disregard the reality of mental illness in the whole tapestry of adolescence.

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Report this Apr. 03 2010, 12:15 am

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nature/nurture is still hotly debated in developmental psychology. So you may or may not be correct.

I'm not talking about psychology or any of that crap. I'm talking about whether you teach your child manners or not.

Holy jeepers!

I'm not talking about petroleum products. I'm talking about gasoline.

:whatthe:

Whatever. To me she was just applying good old fashion common sense.

Makes sense to me.

Just ignore the jerk. If you ignore bullies, they go away.

You're such a moronic tool sometimes.  :eyesroll:

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Report this Apr. 03 2010, 11:30 am

Quote (Rajiin @ April 03 2010, 12:15 am)
Quote (BashirBonesBeverly @ April 02 2010, 5:41 pm)
Quote (JOYOFVGR @ April 02 2010, 7:36 pm)
Quote (trekbuff @ April 02 2010, 7:30 pm)
Quote (AngelOfShadows @ April 02 2010, 7:11 pm)
Quote (nhranger @ April 02 2010, 7:09 pm)
nature/nurture is still hotly debated in developmental psychology. So you may or may not be correct.

I'm not talking about psychology or any of that crap. I'm talking about whether you teach your child manners or not.

Holy jeepers!

I'm not talking about petroleum products. I'm talking about gasoline.

:whatthe:

Whatever. To me she was just applying good old fashion common sense.

Makes sense to me.

Just ignore the jerk. If you ignore bullies, they go away.

You're such a moronic tool sometimes. ¿:eyesroll:

wow, why are you being such a jerk lately?

chill out

Rajiin

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Report this Apr. 03 2010, 2:57 pm

Quote (BashirBonesBeverly @ April 03 2010, 9:30 am)
Quote (Rajiin @ April 03 2010, 12:15 am)
Quote (BashirBonesBeverly @ April 02 2010, 5:41 pm)
Quote (JOYOFVGR @ April 02 2010, 7:36 pm)
Quote (trekbuff @ April 02 2010, 7:30 pm)
Quote (AngelOfShadows @ April 02 2010, 7:11 pm)
Quote (nhranger @ April 02 2010, 7:09 pm)
nature/nurture is still hotly debated in developmental psychology. So you may or may not be correct.

I'm not talking about psychology or any of that crap. I'm talking about whether you teach your child manners or not.

Holy jeepers!

I'm not talking about petroleum products. I'm talking about gasoline.

:whatthe:

Whatever. To me she was just applying good old fashion common sense.

Makes sense to me.

Just ignore the jerk. If you ignore bullies, they go away.

You're such a moronic tool sometimes. ?:eyesroll:

wow, why are you being such a jerk lately?

chill out

Sorry.  I was fired up about something else and your comment about ignoring bullies will make them go away.  Pissed me off because that doesn't work these days and especially not with girl bullies.  

Forgive me?  :kiss:

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Report this Apr. 03 2010, 4:29 pm

Quote (BashirBonesBeverly @ April 01 2010, 8:41 pm)
Quote (JOYOFVGR @ April 02 2010, 7:36 pm)
Quote (trekbuff @ April 02 2010, 7:30 pm)
Quote (AngelOfShadows @ April 02 2010, 7:11 pm)
Quote (nhranger @ April 02 2010, 7:09 pm)
nature/nurture is still hotly debated in developmental psychology. So you may or may not be correct.

I'm not talking about psychology or any of that crap. I'm talking about whether you teach your child manners or not.

Holy jeepers!

I'm not talking about petroleum products. I'm talking about gasoline.

:whatthe:

Whatever. To me she was just applying good old fashion common sense.

Makes sense to me.

Just ignore the jerk. If you ignore bullies, they go away.

No, they dont. That's the part when they surround you in a locker room and try to rape you. Oh yeah, that was me. No bullshit.

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Report this Apr. 03 2010, 4:35 pm

:O

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Report this Apr. 03 2010, 4:37 pm

Now I finally remember why I start to vomit almost as soon as I see a gay couple doing anything intiamate. It's one of those memories that dont pop up in your head without some sort of catalyst.

Cruervo

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Report this Apr. 03 2010, 4:50 pm

So we're just going to keep talking about rape now?

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Report this Apr. 03 2010, 5:02 pm

This scenario happened a lot while I was growing up but back then there wasn't really any thing that was done or was force to be done. I was also in those situations unfortunately. :( They were lucky that I didn't do it in since there were times where I wanted to just even get away from my self.
I also hope that justice prevails for the family of that poor victim of those vultures.

grigori

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Report this Apr. 03 2010, 6:08 pm

I don't understand hurting children. I don't understand the gang mentality. Put the two together and I can hardly believe such a thing is possible, but there it is...

What goes through the minds of "men" who do this? How much hostility can a seven-year old engender to deserve it?

And, oh yeh, that older step-sister is a piece of work, too--living in some fantasyland where she can obviously justify her behavior to herself.

This story's over the top.

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Report this Apr. 03 2010, 7:38 pm

Quote (trekbuff @ April 02 2010, 8:34 pm)
Quote (Cruervo @ April 03 2010, 4:50 pm)
So we're just going to keep talking about rape now?

The charges brought against Phoebe's tormentors included statutory rape. It's part of the topic story. The story I posted was another example of what should be considered abnormal behavior by everyone without question. Evidently the 15 year old girl thought it was normal behavior to offer her 7 year old sister for money.

Yeah I guess I was just still a little worked up over my incident. When I was nearly raped, it was just some guys who started picking on me. I ignored them and when they would physically interfere with me I would try to go around them or shove past. Then one night when I was changing in the locker room they were naked and tried to get ahold of my wrists. They were saying sexual things. I flipped out and counter-attacked. Why did they do this? I dont think they were gay. They were just taking the bully thing a step further. Trying to humiliate and emasculate me. No, bullying is unacceptable.

grigori

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Report this Apr. 03 2010, 8:41 pm

Quote (trekbuff @ April 03 2010, 7:34 pm)
Quote (Cruervo @ April 03 2010, 4:50 pm)
So we're just going to keep talking about rape now?

The charges brought against Phoebe's tormentors included statutory rape. It's part of the topic story. The story I posted was another example of what should be considered abnormal behavior by everyone without question. Evidently the 15 year old girl thought it was normal behavior to offer her 7 year old sister for money.

Evidently grown men thought it was normal to take advantage of such a situation when it presents itself, too. That part of the story happens a lot more often.

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Report this Apr. 03 2010, 9:42 pm

Quote (JOYOFVGR @ April 02 2010, 4:36 am)
Quote (trekbuff @ April 02 2010, 7:30 pm)
Quote (AngelOfShadows @ April 02 2010, 7:11 pm)
Quote (nhranger @ April 02 2010, 7:09 pm)
nature/nurture is still hotly debated in developmental psychology. So you may or may not be correct.

I'm not talking about psychology or any of that crap. I'm talking about whether you teach your child manners or not.

Holy jeepers!

I'm not talking about petroleum products. I'm talking about gasoline.

:whatthe:

Whatever. To me she was just applying good old fashion common sense.

blind leading the blind lmao

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