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Stop Abrams-bring Berman back!

Kdbtrekkin

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Report this Apr. 05 2010, 4:15 am

they should bring in Ira, to help.

Eddogegr3

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Report this Apr. 07 2010, 4:26 pm

Quote (Kdbtrekkin @ April 05 2010, 4:15 am)
they should bring in Ira, to help.

Thank you!

Ira Steven Behr; Ron Moore -- that's the ticket right there.
Could you imagine what those two would do w/o Berman looking over their shoulder?  They tried to push the envelope on DS9 but could only get so far.

BTW, I like Coto as well from what I have heard and read and like his 24 work--never really watched Enterprise.

I am a JJ fan as well, at least of all his pre-trek work.  How his style merges with Trek? Well, it's fresh and appeases the next generation (no pun) of kids today.  I do like that it is anything but techno-babble and stiff and sterile that Berman brought to Trek when Rodenberry wasn't able to carry on.    But Abram's vision has more life to it.  And I don't mean action.  I am not a fan of that.  Please don't make it Star Wars.

Abrams, Coto, ISB, RDM, HArve Bennett, Nicolas Meyer.  I like all these guys and theit visions!  Movie, TV, ehatever.  I would (and will) watch more if they are involved.

CaptainSkidz

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Report this Apr. 08 2010, 9:29 pm

God no! Not Berman...maybe Harve Bennett

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Report this Apr. 09 2010, 12:57 am

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Hmm... ?Do I want someone who actively spits on my face and tells me to like it, or someone who is so incompetant his movies give me brain damage?

Can i vote for a third party?

Respectfully,

How to you judge "incompetence" and being "spat at in the face?"

Because YOU personally didn't get what you wanted? So, the only qualified "third party" to satisfy your individual defintion of what is acceptable is probably YOU...!

People need to get over it. There's lots more where Trek XI came from. Buckle in for the next 7 years...no amount of gripes or complaints are going to change it. And, the few people who have a problem with it aren't going to be enough to impact the performance or direction of the franchise.

JJ said he doesn't like trek. ?He said that Trek fans will watch anything he makes. ?He said anyone who said this wasn't real Trek was an idiot, and Orci said that anyone who doesn't like it isn't smart enough to understand it. ?I'm sorry, but I don't like being told to shut up and accept what I'm given and don't complain.

For the record, I liked the movie, but it was about as far away from Trek as it could be.

frankly I am tired of seeing some fans lie by saying that JJ said "he hated Star Trek".. he never said that, what he said was he was not a fan of the original series. He grew up on Star Wars and it seems like Star Trek fans have an attitude about that.. As far as Orci and Kurtzman bringing in their ideas and vision and that it would be accepted by us.. I got news for you, any great writer, producer or director is going to make a film they like and in doing so believes the fans would like it too.. Nick Meyer was quoted as saying that in making TWOK, he had his own vision and believed that fans would embrace that.. he did not set out to emmulate the past or set out to make a movie based on it pleasing the fan base, he set out to make a movie he believed was his vision .. same for JJ, he set out to make a movie he liked, in his vision and he believed the fans old and new would like. why would any movie exec pay someone to just copy what was done in the past, JJ was hired to put a fresh new spin on it.. don't paint him out as an enemy, you may not agree with his vision but please don't paint him as out to destroy Trek.. he has revitalized the franchise in a whole new way.. not entirely pleasing all die hard fans but enlarging and expanding the fan base.. sure he may have lost some die hard fans but he certainly did not lose me, I am a diehard fan ..and there are far more die hard fans who embraced this movie than those who rejected it..

Vger23

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Report this Apr. 09 2010, 8:42 am

Quote (SLagonia @ Mar. 25 2010, 12:33 pm)
Quote (Vger23 @ Mar. 23 2010, 3:30 pm)
Quote (SLagonia @ Mar. 23 2010, 6:20 pm)
Hmm... ?Do I want someone who actively spits on my face and tells me to like it, or someone who is so incompetant his movies give me brain damage?

Can i vote for a third party?

Respectfully,

How to you judge "incompetence" and being "spat at in the face?"

Because YOU personally didn't get what you wanted? So, the only qualified "third party" to satisfy your individual defintion of what is acceptable is probably YOU...!

People need to get over it. There's lots more where Trek XI came from. Buckle in for the next 7 years...no amount of gripes or complaints are going to change it. And, the few people who have a problem with it aren't going to be enough to impact the performance or direction of the franchise.

JJ said he doesn't like trek. ¿He said that Trek fans will watch anything he makes. ¿He said anyone who said this wasn't real Trek was an idiot, and Orci said that anyone who doesn't like it isn't smart enough to understand it. ¿I'm sorry, but I don't like being told to shut up and accept what I'm given and don't complain.

For the record, I liked the movie, but it was about as far away from Trek as it could be.

I would absolutely love it if you could produce quotes from interviews where he actually SAID those things.

I don't mean stuff he said that you've chosen to interpert that way. I don't mean ONE sentence from a larger quote that you've pulled out and highlighted to distort the complete meaning...I mean quotes where he actually said what you are attributing to him.

Let's see 'em.

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Report this Apr. 09 2010, 2:51 pm

Quote (trekbuff @ April 09 2010, 12:32 pm)
Quote (Vger23 @ April 09 2010, 8:42 am)
Quote (SLagonia @ Mar. 25 2010, 12:33 pm)
Quote (Vger23 @ Mar. 23 2010, 3:30 pm)
Quote (SLagonia @ Mar. 23 2010, 6:20 pm)
Hmm... ?Do I want someone who actively spits on my face and tells me to like it, or someone who is so incompetant his movies give me brain damage?

Can i vote for a third party?

Respectfully,

How to you judge "incompetence" and being "spat at in the face?"

Because YOU personally didn't get what you wanted? So, the only qualified "third party" to satisfy your individual defintion of what is acceptable is probably YOU...!

People need to get over it. There's lots more where Trek XI came from. Buckle in for the next 7 years...no amount of gripes or complaints are going to change it. And, the few people who have a problem with it aren't going to be enough to impact the performance or direction of the franchise.

JJ said he doesn't like trek. ?He said that Trek fans will watch anything he makes. ?He said anyone who said this wasn't real Trek was an idiot, and Orci said that anyone who doesn't like it isn't smart enough to understand it. ?I'm sorry, but I don't like being told to shut up and accept what I'm given and don't complain.

For the record, I liked the movie, but it was about as far away from Trek as it could be.

I would absolutely love it if you could produce quotes from interviews where he actually SAID those things.

I don't mean stuff he said that you've chosen to interpert that way. I don't mean ONE sentence from a larger quote that you've pulled out and highlighted to distort the complete meaning...I mean quotes where he actually said what you are attributing to him.

Let's see 'em.

Something which was available to read and hear multiple times:
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Darryn King: "Can you tell us about your memories of the original Star Trek series?"
J.J. Abrams: "I always felt like I missed the way in. I enjoyed the idea of it. I thought the notion of this group collaborating, various cultures and races and species working together, not conquering but exploring and discovering ? there was something inherently, obviously interesting but? I felt like, Well, you missed me. ?Cause I?m none of those guys: I?m not Kirk for sure. I?m not Spock. I?m not Bones. I wasn?t really Chekhov. I?m not Uhura. Zulu?s not me. I didn?t have me in there, so it was a very objectified experience watching that show."
Darryn King: "Most of the time these remakes and reboots fall pretty flat, but it seems like you?ve got the balance right."
J.J. Abrams: "I think the key was not having insane reverence for the original material. I felt free to make choices that were right for a movie, not for 'Trek'. But we had a writer [Robert Orci] who was an avowed Trekkie. Bob's awareness of what we needed to adhere to was sort of the safety valve for the movie ? but it wasn?t the master we were serving. And to me that's the thing."
Source: Interview with 'Star Trek' director JJ Abrams, Apr 09, 2009

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"The thing about Star Trek is, I was never really a big fan of it . . . it always felt like someone else?s show," declares the director JJ Abrams. "The characters you're always expected to care about in the series, I never found a way into." Coming from the lips of the man charged with re-energising the Star Trek franchise, it will hardly be music to the fake Vulcan ears of the faithful. But Abrams has another message for the purists: "I say, don't see the movie. Don?t waste your money. Just get angry."
...
"Part of the fun of it was taking something that never really appealed to me," says Abrams, "and making a version that would."
Source: Star Trek movie for the new generation, April 19, 2009

Abrams saying the fans will see his Star Trek no matter what simply because it's a Trek movie, Orci declaring our DVDs won't disappear as if we're all idiots, etc.... It's all been quoted and discussed many times.

Shatner telling Trek fans, "Get a life, people!" in a parody on Saturday Night Live taken as a serious comment by others poking fun at Trek fans. Even Trek fans have used Shatner's comment and used it against other Trek fans. There was the Onion parody. There was Denise Crosby's Trekkies and Trekkies 2. Was there seriousness to those productions or were they mocking Trek fans? Then there's the plethora of comics making fun of Trek fans:



It's when Trek fans seem to derive some kind of gratification from chastising other fans because of their particular preferences of what they enjoy about Trek that I become confused and disappointed. Don't we get enough of this from the types who called us Trekkies in the first place? Some folks thought STXI was the best movie, ever - Trek or not. Some folks thought it was a horrible movie - be they Trek fans or not.

Whether Abrams or Orci made negative comments directed at Trek fans as a single comment or part of a two hour speech, they still made them. We're not supposed to take their comments personal because they didn't say our names?!

What the heck is a purist, anyway?

"I've never been a fan of Star Trek" is a lot differnet than saying he DOESN'T LIKE Star Trek. You also leave out the idea that he then says "but the more I started to get familliar with the characters, the more I found how much I like them" which I have also seen quoted ad nauseum.

But, I see your point. There is some stuff there clearly directed at a certain segment of the fanbase.

I have to be honest...with the behaviors shown by some the fans toward this project, I don't blame him for saying, "don't see it. Just get angry." I really, truly don't. And, at the end of the day, none of that mattered, because he was right and what he did was successful.

I don't take it personally, though. I've always disliked the segment of the fanbase he was talking about anyway...so I was actually pretty much on board with it.

Different strokes...

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Report this Apr. 11 2010, 10:33 pm

Abrams needs to continue with what he did.


However, I do agree that TNG cast deserved a much better send off than they got, and the fans deserved much better. TNG made Paramount a good deal of money in their years on the air, and the fans did invest a lot of money in various merchandise as well as movie tickets for that franchise.

I've been seeing a new interest in TNG on television lately---I'm seeing the movies on much more than ever before, I see a couple networks are picking it up in syndication.

Abrams movie was good, I'm sorry people, but it was, and it was a beautiful way to rejuvenate Star Trek for yet ANOTHER generation of people.

However, I do think it would only be fair to do one more TNG movie as well. Just do it for the fans. Do it so this series that had so much success doesn't go out in the sad fashion it did. Nemesis had its good moments, and people will claim that they "tied up all the loose ends" with the characters, but I firmly disagree with that. We were really left hanging.

Give us one more. Keep the new Trek going, give us one more, thoughtful story with Picard and the Enterprise E that gives us a sense of closure.

Fans wrote letters in the 70's asking for this. Maybe it can happen again....

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Report this Apr. 11 2010, 11:18 pm

the two-part TNG finale was way better than any of the movies imo, except for First Contact of course.  all of the movies seemed like an afterthought, after a wonderful finale.   i don't think another TNG movie is warranted.   it was hard enough seeing ms sirtis and mr frakes in uniform again for the ENT finale.  let's let it rest.   DS9 was more serial driven and arc driven than any other franchise, and the finale of that show was maybe the finest of any franchise.   they never needed a movie at all.

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Report this Apr. 13 2010, 8:45 am

Quote (keyboard150 @ April 11 2010, 10:33 pm)
Abrams needs to continue with what he did.


However, I do agree that TNG cast deserved a much better send off than they got, and the fans deserved much better. TNG made Paramount a good deal of money in their years on the air, and the fans did invest a lot of money in various merchandise as well as movie tickets for that franchise.

I've been seeing a new interest in TNG on television lately---I'm seeing the movies on much more than ever before, I see a couple networks are picking it up in syndication.

Abrams movie was good, I'm sorry people, but it was, and it was a beautiful way to rejuvenate Star Trek for yet ANOTHER generation of people.

However, I do think it would only be fair to do one more TNG movie as well. Just do it for the fans. Do it so this series that had so much success doesn't go out in the sad fashion it did. Nemesis had its good moments, and people will claim that they "tied up all the loose ends" with the characters, but I firmly disagree with that. We were really left hanging.

Give us one more. Keep the new Trek going, give us one more, thoughtful story with Picard and the Enterprise E that gives us a sense of closure.

Fans wrote letters in the 70's asking for this. Maybe it can happen again....

You're not going to see a movie made because "the fans deserve it" or because "it would only be fair." The glory days of fans writing letters is over.

You will see a movie made if the marketing data indicates it will make money. And I can all but assure you, a TNG movie, unless it's made for $35 million dollars, would not make money. TNG had a magnificent run...but it should be allowed to RIP.

You are correct, the new movie was good enough to re-energize public interest in Star Trek on the big screen. Paramount is going to stick with that formula, cast and that creative team for at least the near-term future. They're not going to make the same mistake they made back in the late 90's and over-saturate the market with sub-standard productions.

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