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Corwin8

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Report this Mar. 29 2010, 7:47 pm

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hope you all have as much fun onder OBUMMER-CARE AS you do at the dmv?.

Never had any problems what so ever at the DMV.

That's because you were high the whole time.


It helps! LOL! ;)

It also helps that there are pretty ladies there who are extremely nice.

It helps that the building and property is extremely nice.

It helps that the whole process is extremely efficient and 20 minutes after I step on the property I am stepping back off with no headaches.

Of course, they charge too much for shit.. but that's with ANYBODY selling damm near ANYTHING.

If only my wait at the new Obamacare Clinic was filled with pretty girls and I could be in and out in 20.

Sadly I think I will be stuck in the clinic with the cranky D-bags.

:lagh:

lol yeah, and let me know when you get to the detention camp.

More government hack jobs running the Department of Happy Thoughts Detention Centers.

You'll most likely be a loyal employee.


:laugh:

LOL Sounds like some warped Daycare Asylum....


:laugh:

I Soviet Amerika Daycare Warps YOU.

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Report this Mar. 30 2010, 2:23 am

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Once the government panel decides your worth as a taxpayer vs. how much it will cost to fix you they will send a lot of folks home with a morphine drip and say 'Good Luck' .

I love this bit. You guys trot it out time and again, it's comedy gold.

It's also BS.

It doesn't happen in the UK, it doesn't happen in Oz.

If only you guys knew how much we laugh at the nonsense you claim as fact.

1) You won't be able to pick your doctor! Not true! If the doctor is not on the government approved plan you have to buy, choice goes away.
2) Doctor's will be told where they can practice! Not true!They will just not practice at all.
3) Doctor's will be prevented from earning any wealth! My GP owns a yacht! Where did I say that?
4) A civil servant will decide your fate! Just not true!Fact. If the government decides my insurance is not approved, I will be left to the tender care of a civil servant to tell me what I CAN have, that is deciding my fate.

Either you guys say this stuff to make us laugh, or you really believe it. Which makes you sound kinda nuts!

Have you even read the bill?

It's going to come down to someone in the government, a government mind you, that can't seem to do anything well, deciding your fate. How much coverage you get, how much money they will spend, and you options will limited or not available.

Comparisons to the UK system are not ever going to work here, and I try never use them or cite them as an example of good or bad care. It's been a way of life for decades. Not the way things are in the US.

That's right, it's silly to compare what works in other countries with what's going to happen in the US now that the bill has been passed.

If you use evidence to prove a system of socialised health care works, how can you scare peole and tell them the sky is falling!?

:laugh:

Do you have any proof of your claims?

Perhaps you missed the point.

You have a system in the UK and other countries that has been in place for decades, if you are from any of these countries, you can't fathom any other way to get care.

In the US we have a system that is not anythig like what you have across the planet.

Now if our system were being modeled on a proven system that fit with our economy and education system that most likely would work.

Here is the thing you and others keep missing. It's not going to be anything like that.

If this deal is so good, why does the President have to coerce and bribe lawmakers to get their vote?

How is creating dozens of new federal agencies, thousands of new federal employees and adding thousands of IRS agents to ENFORCE the new law a good thing?

If this had any real impact on the health of people here in a positive way I'd support it. But it does not. It complicates things and increases costs. No one will receive better care over the passing of this bill.

But ramming this through without really looking at the problems in the system, and saying it's better to pass a bad bill and fix it later is arrogance at best and stupidity at worst.

Every major entitlement program in the US has been problematical at best and a disaster at worst. Now we have another bloated federal entitlement program that the Democrats admit is flawed and will cost TRILLIONS of dollars we don't have when jobs and the economy are in shambles.

I don't want to depend on the government for anything more than I have to. Some folks believe the government is the fix for whatever problem you have. That keeps people from working and trying to do better when they know the government will feed, clothe, house ?and take care of them.

So, in answer to my question...

That's a no!

Just more "It won't work here!", "The sky is falling!", BS.

Just get back to me when you have some actual proof of your claims.

Awesome non response. Almost the best I've ever seen.

I can't provide proof that some of these things will happen because the law still has provisions that won't take full effect for years. If I could see the future, I wouldn't be wasting time here, I'd be on an island I bought with my Powerball winnings, drinking the cold, frosty beverage of my choice. Not caring one whit about the debate, sadly I'm one of the 'middle class' who is going to have to pay more for this failure of legislation.

But like a lot of things, if you watch what's happening now you can get a pretty good idea how it will play out.

That and the fact that in the year this country has had the Democrats in power the spending has been bigger than any other administration in the history of earth, the unemployment rate, that the stimulus package was supposed to fix BTW, has hovered around 10% instead of the 8% worst case they predicted if we did not pass the stimulus package.

Until you can answer these questions, and I'll go back and highlight them in case you missed them, I'll just work on the idea you are talking out of an orifice not near your head.

Companies are already taking steps to prepare for the cost increases this bill will cause. That means either less employees, higher prices, or higher costs to the employee for care, sure the companies will offer it, but it won't be cheap.

Companies like AT&T and others are doing it now, but I see you have offered the same dismissive, arrogant, smugly superior attitude in that thread as well.

How about you offer proof it will work. Here, in the US. Otherwise you have got nothing but the schoolyard response of 'Did too, Did not, Did too.' Contradicting someone is not the same as offering an opposing view, and you have yet to offer a shred of proof to back up your point.

Quivering with anticipation over you next non response.

The best response I can give is this...

It works in other countries, so there's no reason it shouldn't work in the US, so long as conservative A-holes don't strangle it with endless BS.

If want to keep running around like a headless chicken, go right ahead. That you actually believe this "sky is falling" cr@p is quite frankly hilarious.

So you have decided not to answer the questions I asked.

That's fine, it tells me exactly what I already knew.

You don't have an answer. You have chosen instead to mock and offer a weak answer with no evidence to back it up, or understanding of the multiple problems and issues.

I've stated this ad nauseum at this point. It's not that I am against healthcare reform, I'm just against this bill\law and the way they are going about it.

When the White House response to the peoples anger and frustration is ,'You'll learn to like it'. it speaks to the arrogance they have.

Much like your point of: It works in other countries, so there's no reason it shouldn't work in the US, so long as conservative A-holes don't strangle it with endless BS.

You have no idea how arrogant and smug that comes off, or maybe you do. Either way you don't get it.

In 5 or 10 years, when the world has failed to end, I will look back on this little rant of yours and LMAO!

Corwin8

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Report this Mar. 30 2010, 7:59 am

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Once the government panel decides your worth as a taxpayer vs. how much it will cost to fix you they will send a lot of folks home with a morphine drip and say 'Good Luck' .

I love this bit. You guys trot it out time and again, it's comedy gold.

It's also BS.

It doesn't happen in the UK, it doesn't happen in Oz.

If only you guys knew how much we laugh at the nonsense you claim as fact.

1) You won't be able to pick your doctor! Not true! If the doctor is not on the government approved plan you have to buy, choice goes away.
2) Doctor's will be told where they can practice! Not true!They will just not practice at all.
3) Doctor's will be prevented from earning any wealth! My GP owns a yacht! Where did I say that?
4) A civil servant will decide your fate! Just not true!Fact. If the government decides my insurance is not approved, I will be left to the tender care of a civil servant to tell me what I CAN have, that is deciding my fate.

Either you guys say this stuff to make us laugh, or you really believe it. Which makes you sound kinda nuts!

Have you even read the bill?

It's going to come down to someone in the government, a government mind you, that can't seem to do anything well, deciding your fate. How much coverage you get, how much money they will spend, and you options will limited or not available.

Comparisons to the UK system are not ever going to work here, and I try never use them or cite them as an example of good or bad care. It's been a way of life for decades. Not the way things are in the US.

That's right, it's silly to compare what works in other countries with what's going to happen in the US now that the bill has been passed.

If you use evidence to prove a system of socialised health care works, how can you scare peole and tell them the sky is falling!?

:laugh:

Do you have any proof of your claims?

Perhaps you missed the point.

You have a system in the UK and other countries that has been in place for decades, if you are from any of these countries, you can't fathom any other way to get care.

In the US we have a system that is not anythig like what you have across the planet.

Now if our system were being modeled on a proven system that fit with our economy and education system that most likely would work.

Here is the thing you and others keep missing. It's not going to be anything like that.

If this deal is so good, why does the President have to coerce and bribe lawmakers to get their vote?

How is creating dozens of new federal agencies, thousands of new federal employees and adding thousands of IRS agents to ENFORCE the new law a good thing?

If this had any real impact on the health of people here in a positive way I'd support it. But it does not. It complicates things and increases costs. No one will receive better care over the passing of this bill.

But ramming this through without really looking at the problems in the system, and saying it's better to pass a bad bill and fix it later is arrogance at best and stupidity at worst.

Every major entitlement program in the US has been problematical at best and a disaster at worst. Now we have another bloated federal entitlement program that the Democrats admit is flawed and will cost TRILLIONS of dollars we don't have when jobs and the economy are in shambles.

I don't want to depend on the government for anything more than I have to. Some folks believe the government is the fix for whatever problem you have. That keeps people from working and trying to do better when they know the government will feed, clothe, house ?and take care of them.

So, in answer to my question...

That's a no!

Just more "It won't work here!", "The sky is falling!", BS.

Just get back to me when you have some actual proof of your claims.

Awesome non response. Almost the best I've ever seen.

I can't provide proof that some of these things will happen because the law still has provisions that won't take full effect for years. If I could see the future, I wouldn't be wasting time here, I'd be on an island I bought with my Powerball winnings, drinking the cold, frosty beverage of my choice. Not caring one whit about the debate, sadly I'm one of the 'middle class' who is going to have to pay more for this failure of legislation.

But like a lot of things, if you watch what's happening now you can get a pretty good idea how it will play out.

That and the fact that in the year this country has had the Democrats in power the spending has been bigger than any other administration in the history of earth, the unemployment rate, that the stimulus package was supposed to fix BTW, has hovered around 10% instead of the 8% worst case they predicted if we did not pass the stimulus package.

Until you can answer these questions, and I'll go back and highlight them in case you missed them, I'll just work on the idea you are talking out of an orifice not near your head.

Companies are already taking steps to prepare for the cost increases this bill will cause. That means either less employees, higher prices, or higher costs to the employee for care, sure the companies will offer it, but it won't be cheap.

Companies like AT&T and others are doing it now, but I see you have offered the same dismissive, arrogant, smugly superior attitude in that thread as well.

How about you offer proof it will work. Here, in the US. Otherwise you have got nothing but the schoolyard response of 'Did too, Did not, Did too.' Contradicting someone is not the same as offering an opposing view, and you have yet to offer a shred of proof to back up your point.

Quivering with anticipation over you next non response.

The best response I can give is this...

It works in other countries, so there's no reason it shouldn't work in the US, so long as conservative A-holes don't strangle it with endless BS.

If want to keep running around like a headless chicken, go right ahead. That you actually believe this "sky is falling" cr@p is quite frankly hilarious.

So you have decided not to answer the questions I asked.

That's fine, it tells me exactly what I already knew.

You don't have an answer. You have chosen instead to mock and offer a weak answer with no evidence to back it up, or understanding of the multiple problems and issues.

I've stated this ad nauseum at this point. It's not that I am against healthcare reform, I'm just against this bill\law and the way they are going about it.

When the White House response to the peoples anger and frustration is ,'You'll learn to like it'. it speaks to the arrogance they have.

Much like your point of: It works in other countries, so there's no reason it shouldn't work in the US, so long as conservative A-holes don't strangle it with endless BS.

You have no idea how arrogant and smug that comes off, or maybe you do. Either way you don't get it.

In 5 or 10 years, when the world has failed to end, I will look back on this little rant of yours and LMAO!

That is at least three times I've tried to get you to answer a couple of questions.

Sadly you have got nothing.  Insults and arrogance all wrapped up in a mockingly condecending attitude.

Enjoy the fail.  I know it's all you have.

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Report this Apr. 01 2010, 2:43 am

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Once the government panel decides your worth as a taxpayer vs. how much it will cost to fix you they will send a lot of folks home with a morphine drip and say 'Good Luck' .

I love this bit. You guys trot it out time and again, it's comedy gold.

It's also BS.

It doesn't happen in the UK, it doesn't happen in Oz.

If only you guys knew how much we laugh at the nonsense you claim as fact.

1) You won't be able to pick your doctor! Not true! If the doctor is not on the government approved plan you have to buy, choice goes away.
2) Doctor's will be told where they can practice! Not true!They will just not practice at all.
3) Doctor's will be prevented from earning any wealth! My GP owns a yacht! Where did I say that?
4) A civil servant will decide your fate! Just not true!Fact. If the government decides my insurance is not approved, I will be left to the tender care of a civil servant to tell me what I CAN have, that is deciding my fate.

Either you guys say this stuff to make us laugh, or you really believe it. Which makes you sound kinda nuts!

Have you even read the bill?

It's going to come down to someone in the government, a government mind you, that can't seem to do anything well, deciding your fate. How much coverage you get, how much money they will spend, and you options will limited or not available.

Comparisons to the UK system are not ever going to work here, and I try never use them or cite them as an example of good or bad care. It's been a way of life for decades. Not the way things are in the US.

That's right, it's silly to compare what works in other countries with what's going to happen in the US now that the bill has been passed.

If you use evidence to prove a system of socialised health care works, how can you scare peole and tell them the sky is falling!?

:laugh:

Do you have any proof of your claims?

Perhaps you missed the point.

You have a system in the UK and other countries that has been in place for decades, if you are from any of these countries, you can't fathom any other way to get care.

In the US we have a system that is not anythig like what you have across the planet.

Now if our system were being modeled on a proven system that fit with our economy and education system that most likely would work.

Here is the thing you and others keep missing. It's not going to be anything like that.

If this deal is so good, why does the President have to coerce and bribe lawmakers to get their vote?

How is creating dozens of new federal agencies, thousands of new federal employees and adding thousands of IRS agents to ENFORCE the new law a good thing?

If this had any real impact on the health of people here in a positive way I'd support it. But it does not. It complicates things and increases costs. No one will receive better care over the passing of this bill.

But ramming this through without really looking at the problems in the system, and saying it's better to pass a bad bill and fix it later is arrogance at best and stupidity at worst.

Every major entitlement program in the US has been problematical at best and a disaster at worst. Now we have another bloated federal entitlement program that the Democrats admit is flawed and will cost TRILLIONS of dollars we don't have when jobs and the economy are in shambles.

I don't want to depend on the government for anything more than I have to. Some folks believe the government is the fix for whatever problem you have. That keeps people from working and trying to do better when they know the government will feed, clothe, house ?and take care of them.

So, in answer to my question...

That's a no!

Just more "It won't work here!", "The sky is falling!", BS.

Just get back to me when you have some actual proof of your claims.

Awesome non response. Almost the best I've ever seen.

I can't provide proof that some of these things will happen because the law still has provisions that won't take full effect for years. If I could see the future, I wouldn't be wasting time here, I'd be on an island I bought with my Powerball winnings, drinking the cold, frosty beverage of my choice. Not caring one whit about the debate, sadly I'm one of the 'middle class' who is going to have to pay more for this failure of legislation.

But like a lot of things, if you watch what's happening now you can get a pretty good idea how it will play out.

That and the fact that in the year this country has had the Democrats in power the spending has been bigger than any other administration in the history of earth, the unemployment rate, that the stimulus package was supposed to fix BTW, has hovered around 10% instead of the 8% worst case they predicted if we did not pass the stimulus package.

Until you can answer these questions, and I'll go back and highlight them in case you missed them, I'll just work on the idea you are talking out of an orifice not near your head.

Companies are already taking steps to prepare for the cost increases this bill will cause. That means either less employees, higher prices, or higher costs to the employee for care, sure the companies will offer it, but it won't be cheap.

Companies like AT&T and others are doing it now, but I see you have offered the same dismissive, arrogant, smugly superior attitude in that thread as well.

How about you offer proof it will work. Here, in the US. Otherwise you have got nothing but the schoolyard response of 'Did too, Did not, Did too.' Contradicting someone is not the same as offering an opposing view, and you have yet to offer a shred of proof to back up your point.

Quivering with anticipation over you next non response.

The best response I can give is this...

It works in other countries, so there's no reason it shouldn't work in the US, so long as conservative A-holes don't strangle it with endless BS.

If want to keep running around like a headless chicken, go right ahead. That you actually believe this "sky is falling" cr@p is quite frankly hilarious.

So you have decided not to answer the questions I asked.

That's fine, it tells me exactly what I already knew.

You don't have an answer. You have chosen instead to mock and offer a weak answer with no evidence to back it up, or understanding of the multiple problems and issues.

I've stated this ad nauseum at this point. It's not that I am against healthcare reform, I'm just against this bill\law and the way they are going about it.

When the White House response to the peoples anger and frustration is ,'You'll learn to like it'. it speaks to the arrogance they have.

Much like your point of: It works in other countries, so there's no reason it shouldn't work in the US, so long as conservative A-holes don't strangle it with endless BS.

You have no idea how arrogant and smug that comes off, or maybe you do. Either way you don't get it.

In 5 or 10 years, when the world has failed to end, I will look back on this little rant of yours and LMAO!

That is at least three times I've tried to get you to answer a couple of questions.

Sadly you have got nothing. ¿Insults and arrogance all wrapped up in a mockingly condecending attitude.

Enjoy the fail. ¿I know it's all you have.

You're right I've got nothing to contradict the paranoid delusions of people like you.

Enjoy your tinfoil hat!

Corwin8

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Report this Apr. 01 2010, 9:16 am

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Once the government panel decides your worth as a taxpayer vs. how much it will cost to fix you they will send a lot of folks home with a morphine drip and say 'Good Luck' .

I love this bit. You guys trot it out time and again, it's comedy gold.

It's also BS.

It doesn't happen in the UK, it doesn't happen in Oz.

If only you guys knew how much we laugh at the nonsense you claim as fact.

1) You won't be able to pick your doctor! Not true! If the doctor is not on the government approved plan you have to buy, choice goes away.
2) Doctor's will be told where they can practice! Not true!They will just not practice at all.
3) Doctor's will be prevented from earning any wealth! My GP owns a yacht! Where did I say that?
4) A civil servant will decide your fate! Just not true!Fact. If the government decides my insurance is not approved, I will be left to the tender care of a civil servant to tell me what I CAN have, that is deciding my fate.

Either you guys say this stuff to make us laugh, or you really believe it. Which makes you sound kinda nuts!

Have you even read the bill?

It's going to come down to someone in the government, a government mind you, that can't seem to do anything well, deciding your fate. How much coverage you get, how much money they will spend, and you options will limited or not available.

Comparisons to the UK system are not ever going to work here, and I try never use them or cite them as an example of good or bad care. It's been a way of life for decades. Not the way things are in the US.

That's right, it's silly to compare what works in other countries with what's going to happen in the US now that the bill has been passed.

If you use evidence to prove a system of socialised health care works, how can you scare peole and tell them the sky is falling!?

:laugh:

Do you have any proof of your claims?

Perhaps you missed the point.

You have a system in the UK and other countries that has been in place for decades, if you are from any of these countries, you can't fathom any other way to get care.

In the US we have a system that is not anythig like what you have across the planet.

Now if our system were being modeled on a proven system that fit with our economy and education system that most likely would work.

Here is the thing you and others keep missing. It's not going to be anything like that.

If this deal is so good, why does the President have to coerce and bribe lawmakers to get their vote?

How is creating dozens of new federal agencies, thousands of new federal employees and adding thousands of IRS agents to ENFORCE the new law a good thing?

If this had any real impact on the health of people here in a positive way I'd support it. But it does not. It complicates things and increases costs. No one will receive better care over the passing of this bill.

But ramming this through without really looking at the problems in the system, and saying it's better to pass a bad bill and fix it later is arrogance at best and stupidity at worst.

Every major entitlement program in the US has been problematical at best and a disaster at worst. Now we have another bloated federal entitlement program that the Democrats admit is flawed and will cost TRILLIONS of dollars we don't have when jobs and the economy are in shambles.

I don't want to depend on the government for anything more than I have to. Some folks believe the government is the fix for whatever problem you have. That keeps people from working and trying to do better when they know the government will feed, clothe, house ?and take care of them.

So, in answer to my question...

That's a no!

Just more "It won't work here!", "The sky is falling!", BS.

Just get back to me when you have some actual proof of your claims.

Awesome non response. Almost the best I've ever seen.

I can't provide proof that some of these things will happen because the law still has provisions that won't take full effect for years. If I could see the future, I wouldn't be wasting time here, I'd be on an island I bought with my Powerball winnings, drinking the cold, frosty beverage of my choice. Not caring one whit about the debate, sadly I'm one of the 'middle class' who is going to have to pay more for this failure of legislation.

But like a lot of things, if you watch what's happening now you can get a pretty good idea how it will play out.

That and the fact that in the year this country has had the Democrats in power the spending has been bigger than any other administration in the history of earth, the unemployment rate, that the stimulus package was supposed to fix BTW, has hovered around 10% instead of the 8% worst case they predicted if we did not pass the stimulus package.

Until you can answer these questions, and I'll go back and highlight them in case you missed them, I'll just work on the idea you are talking out of an orifice not near your head.

Companies are already taking steps to prepare for the cost increases this bill will cause. That means either less employees, higher prices, or higher costs to the employee for care, sure the companies will offer it, but it won't be cheap.

Companies like AT&T and others are doing it now, but I see you have offered the same dismissive, arrogant, smugly superior attitude in that thread as well.

How about you offer proof it will work. Here, in the US. Otherwise you have got nothing but the schoolyard response of 'Did too, Did not, Did too.' Contradicting someone is not the same as offering an opposing view, and you have yet to offer a shred of proof to back up your point.

Quivering with anticipation over you next non response.

The best response I can give is this...

It works in other countries, so there's no reason it shouldn't work in the US, so long as conservative A-holes don't strangle it with endless BS.

If want to keep running around like a headless chicken, go right ahead. That you actually believe this "sky is falling" cr@p is quite frankly hilarious.

So you have decided not to answer the questions I asked.

That's fine, it tells me exactly what I already knew.

You don't have an answer. You have chosen instead to mock and offer a weak answer with no evidence to back it up, or understanding of the multiple problems and issues.

I've stated this ad nauseum at this point. It's not that I am against healthcare reform, I'm just against this bill\law and the way they are going about it.

When the White House response to the peoples anger and frustration is ,'You'll learn to like it'. it speaks to the arrogance they have.

Much like your point of: It works in other countries, so there's no reason it shouldn't work in the US, so long as conservative A-holes don't strangle it with endless BS.

You have no idea how arrogant and smug that comes off, or maybe you do. Either way you don't get it.

In 5 or 10 years, when the world has failed to end, I will look back on this little rant of yours and LMAO!

That is at least three times I've tried to get you to answer a couple of questions.

Sadly you have got nothing. ?Insults and arrogance all wrapped up in a mockingly condecending attitude.

Enjoy the fail. ?I know it's all you have.

You're right I've got nothing to contradict the paranoid delusions of people like you.

Enjoy your tinfoil hat!

Best you can do?

I expected better.

:laugh:

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Report this Apr. 03 2010, 1:15 am

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Once the government panel decides your worth as a taxpayer vs. how much it will cost to fix you they will send a lot of folks home with a morphine drip and say 'Good Luck' .

I love this bit. You guys trot it out time and again, it's comedy gold.

It's also BS.

It doesn't happen in the UK, it doesn't happen in Oz.

If only you guys knew how much we laugh at the nonsense you claim as fact.

1) You won't be able to pick your doctor! Not true! If the doctor is not on the government approved plan you have to buy, choice goes away.
2) Doctor's will be told where they can practice! Not true!They will just not practice at all.
3) Doctor's will be prevented from earning any wealth! My GP owns a yacht! Where did I say that?
4) A civil servant will decide your fate! Just not true!Fact. If the government decides my insurance is not approved, I will be left to the tender care of a civil servant to tell me what I CAN have, that is deciding my fate.

Either you guys say this stuff to make us laugh, or you really believe it. Which makes you sound kinda nuts!

Have you even read the bill?

It's going to come down to someone in the government, a government mind you, that can't seem to do anything well, deciding your fate. How much coverage you get, how much money they will spend, and you options will limited or not available.

Comparisons to the UK system are not ever going to work here, and I try never use them or cite them as an example of good or bad care. It's been a way of life for decades. Not the way things are in the US.

That's right, it's silly to compare what works in other countries with what's going to happen in the US now that the bill has been passed.

If you use evidence to prove a system of socialised health care works, how can you scare peole and tell them the sky is falling!?

:laugh:

Do you have any proof of your claims?

Perhaps you missed the point.

You have a system in the UK and other countries that has been in place for decades, if you are from any of these countries, you can't fathom any other way to get care.

In the US we have a system that is not anythig like what you have across the planet.

Now if our system were being modeled on a proven system that fit with our economy and education system that most likely would work.

Here is the thing you and others keep missing. It's not going to be anything like that.

If this deal is so good, why does the President have to coerce and bribe lawmakers to get their vote?

How is creating dozens of new federal agencies, thousands of new federal employees and adding thousands of IRS agents to ENFORCE the new law a good thing?

If this had any real impact on the health of people here in a positive way I'd support it. But it does not. It complicates things and increases costs. No one will receive better care over the passing of this bill.

But ramming this through without really looking at the problems in the system, and saying it's better to pass a bad bill and fix it later is arrogance at best and stupidity at worst.

Every major entitlement program in the US has been problematical at best and a disaster at worst. Now we have another bloated federal entitlement program that the Democrats admit is flawed and will cost TRILLIONS of dollars we don't have when jobs and the economy are in shambles.

I don't want to depend on the government for anything more than I have to. Some folks believe the government is the fix for whatever problem you have. That keeps people from working and trying to do better when they know the government will feed, clothe, house ?and take care of them.

So, in answer to my question...

That's a no!

Just more "It won't work here!", "The sky is falling!", BS.

Just get back to me when you have some actual proof of your claims.

Awesome non response. Almost the best I've ever seen.

I can't provide proof that some of these things will happen because the law still has provisions that won't take full effect for years. If I could see the future, I wouldn't be wasting time here, I'd be on an island I bought with my Powerball winnings, drinking the cold, frosty beverage of my choice. Not caring one whit about the debate, sadly I'm one of the 'middle class' who is going to have to pay more for this failure of legislation.

But like a lot of things, if you watch what's happening now you can get a pretty good idea how it will play out.

That and the fact that in the year this country has had the Democrats in power the spending has been bigger than any other administration in the history of earth, the unemployment rate, that the stimulus package was supposed to fix BTW, has hovered around 10% instead of the 8% worst case they predicted if we did not pass the stimulus package.

Until you can answer these questions, and I'll go back and highlight them in case you missed them, I'll just work on the idea you are talking out of an orifice not near your head.

Companies are already taking steps to prepare for the cost increases this bill will cause. That means either less employees, higher prices, or higher costs to the employee for care, sure the companies will offer it, but it won't be cheap.

Companies like AT&T and others are doing it now, but I see you have offered the same dismissive, arrogant, smugly superior attitude in that thread as well.

How about you offer proof it will work. Here, in the US. Otherwise you have got nothing but the schoolyard response of 'Did too, Did not, Did too.' Contradicting someone is not the same as offering an opposing view, and you have yet to offer a shred of proof to back up your point.

Quivering with anticipation over you next non response.

The best response I can give is this...

It works in other countries, so there's no reason it shouldn't work in the US, so long as conservative A-holes don't strangle it with endless BS.

If want to keep running around like a headless chicken, go right ahead. That you actually believe this "sky is falling" cr@p is quite frankly hilarious.

So you have decided not to answer the questions I asked.

That's fine, it tells me exactly what I already knew.

You don't have an answer. You have chosen instead to mock and offer a weak answer with no evidence to back it up, or understanding of the multiple problems and issues.

I've stated this ad nauseum at this point. It's not that I am against healthcare reform, I'm just against this bill\law and the way they are going about it.

When the White House response to the peoples anger and frustration is ,'You'll learn to like it'. it speaks to the arrogance they have.

Much like your point of: It works in other countries, so there's no reason it shouldn't work in the US, so long as conservative A-holes don't strangle it with endless BS.

You have no idea how arrogant and smug that comes off, or maybe you do. Either way you don't get it.

In 5 or 10 years, when the world has failed to end, I will look back on this little rant of yours and LMAO!

That is at least three times I've tried to get you to answer a couple of questions.

Sadly you have got nothing. ?Insults and arrogance all wrapped up in a mockingly condecending attitude.

Enjoy the fail. ?I know it's all you have.

You're right I've got nothing to contradict the paranoid delusions of people like you.

Enjoy your tinfoil hat!

Best you can do?

I expected better.

:laugh:

No, you really didn't.

People like you can't concieve the notion that anyone could conradict what you believe, so to claim you expected anything is a lie.

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Once the government panel decides your worth as a taxpayer vs. how much it will cost to fix you they will send a lot of folks home with a morphine drip and say 'Good Luck' .

I love this bit. You guys trot it out time and again, it's comedy gold.

It's also BS.

It doesn't happen in the UK, it doesn't happen in Oz.

If only you guys knew how much we laugh at the nonsense you claim as fact.

1) You won't be able to pick your doctor! Not true! If the doctor is not on the government approved plan you have to buy, choice goes away.
2) Doctor's will be told where they can practice! Not true!They will just not practice at all.
3) Doctor's will be prevented from earning any wealth! My GP owns a yacht! Where did I say that?
4) A civil servant will decide your fate! Just not true!Fact. If the government decides my insurance is not approved, I will be left to the tender care of a civil servant to tell me what I CAN have, that is deciding my fate.

Either you guys say this stuff to make us laugh, or you really believe it. Which makes you sound kinda nuts!

Have you even read the bill?

It's going to come down to someone in the government, a government mind you, that can't seem to do anything well, deciding your fate. How much coverage you get, how much money they will spend, and you options will limited or not available.

Comparisons to the UK system are not ever going to work here, and I try never use them or cite them as an example of good or bad care. It's been a way of life for decades. Not the way things are in the US.

That's right, it's silly to compare what works in other countries with what's going to happen in the US now that the bill has been passed.

If you use evidence to prove a system of socialised health care works, how can you scare peole and tell them the sky is falling!?

:laugh:

Do you have any proof of your claims?

Perhaps you missed the point.

You have a system in the UK and other countries that has been in place for decades, if you are from any of these countries, you can't fathom any other way to get care.

In the US we have a system that is not anythig like what you have across the planet.

Now if our system were being modeled on a proven system that fit with our economy and education system that most likely would work.

Here is the thing you and others keep missing. It's not going to be anything like that.

If this deal is so good, why does the President have to coerce and bribe lawmakers to get their vote?

How is creating dozens of new federal agencies, thousands of new federal employees and adding thousands of IRS agents to ENFORCE the new law a good thing?

If this had any real impact on the health of people here in a positive way I'd support it. But it does not. It complicates things and increases costs. No one will receive better care over the passing of this bill.

But ramming this through without really looking at the problems in the system, and saying it's better to pass a bad bill and fix it later is arrogance at best and stupidity at worst.

Every major entitlement program in the US has been problematical at best and a disaster at worst. Now we have another bloated federal entitlement program that the Democrats admit is flawed and will cost TRILLIONS of dollars we don't have when jobs and the economy are in shambles.

I don't want to depend on the government for anything more than I have to. Some folks believe the government is the fix for whatever problem you have. That keeps people from working and trying to do better when they know the government will feed, clothe, house ?and take care of them.

So, in answer to my question...

That's a no!

Just more "It won't work here!", "The sky is falling!", BS.

Just get back to me when you have some actual proof of your claims.

Awesome non response. Almost the best I've ever seen.

I can't provide proof that some of these things will happen because the law still has provisions that won't take full effect for years. If I could see the future, I wouldn't be wasting time here, I'd be on an island I bought with my Powerball winnings, drinking the cold, frosty beverage of my choice. Not caring one whit about the debate, sadly I'm one of the 'middle class' who is going to have to pay more for this failure of legislation.

But like a lot of things, if you watch what's happening now you can get a pretty good idea how it will play out.

That and the fact that in the year this country has had the Democrats in power the spending has been bigger than any other administration in the history of earth, the unemployment rate, that the stimulus package was supposed to fix BTW, has hovered around 10% instead of the 8% worst case they predicted if we did not pass the stimulus package.

Until you can answer these questions, and I'll go back and highlight them in case you missed them, I'll just work on the idea you are talking out of an orifice not near your head.

Companies are already taking steps to prepare for the cost increases this bill will cause. That means either less employees, higher prices, or higher costs to the employee for care, sure the companies will offer it, but it won't be cheap.

Companies like AT&T and others are doing it now, but I see you have offered the same dismissive, arrogant, smugly superior attitude in that thread as well.

How about you offer proof it will work. Here, in the US. Otherwise you have got nothing but the schoolyard response of 'Did too, Did not, Did too.' Contradicting someone is not the same as offering an opposing view, and you have yet to offer a shred of proof to back up your point.

Quivering with anticipation over you next non response.

The best response I can give is this...

It works in other countries, so there's no reason it shouldn't work in the US, so long as conservative A-holes don't strangle it with endless BS.

If want to keep running around like a headless chicken, go right ahead. That you actually believe this "sky is falling" cr@p is quite frankly hilarious.

So you have decided not to answer the questions I asked.

That's fine, it tells me exactly what I already knew.

You don't have an answer. You have chosen instead to mock and offer a weak answer with no evidence to back it up, or understanding of the multiple problems and issues.

I've stated this ad nauseum at this point. It's not that I am against healthcare reform, I'm just against this bill\law and the way they are going about it.

When the White House response to the peoples anger and frustration is ,'You'll learn to like it'. it speaks to the arrogance they have.

Much like your point of: It works in other countries, so there's no reason it shouldn't work in the US, so long as conservative A-holes don't strangle it with endless BS.

You have no idea how arrogant and smug that comes off, or maybe you do. Either way you don't get it.

In 5 or 10 years, when the world has failed to end, I will look back on this little rant of yours and LMAO!

That is at least three times I've tried to get you to answer a couple of questions.

Sadly you have got nothing. ?Insults and arrogance all wrapped up in a mockingly condecending attitude.

Enjoy the fail. ?I know it's all you have.

You're right I've got nothing to contradict the paranoid delusions of people like you.

Enjoy your tinfoil hat!

Best you can do?

I expected better.

:laugh:

No, you really didn't.

People like you can't concieve the notion that anyone could conradict what you believe, so to claim you expected anything is a lie.

No, I expected you to answer some very simple questions my 15 year old could handle and you decided to insult me and work from the idea that I'm narrow minded and can't see others point of view.


It's one thing to contradict some one, anyone can do that.

Remember, You work from the idea that I want the status quo to remain as it is, and you are wrong. I just want an explanation of how this is going to improve the issue and why it was done the way it was. You can't answer them, and flat out refuse to no matter how many times I ask.

Do I think the healthcare system in the US needs reform? Without question.

Do I think the way my inept government 'leaders' both Democrat and Republican, went about it is wrong, and embarrassing?  Yes

Do I believe the issue will now become worse? Yes.

And all you have offered is pithy comments and insulted me.

I did expect better because I thought you were smarter than that.  Sorry, my bad.

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Report this Apr. 03 2010, 8:41 am

You will have to wait 4 years before it can be challenged anyway corwin.

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Report this Apr. 03 2010, 9:12 am

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You will have to wait 4 years before it can be challenged anyway corwin.

Do you mean legally or when we vote Obama into unemployment?

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