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Is this the end of great Star Trek?

KIRA_NGUYEN

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Report this Mar. 19 2010, 5:06 am

Am I the only one who has noticed a discernable difference between the latest movie "Star Trek" and the greatest Star Treks that have been, like TNG and Voyager. ¿I believe the greatest fans of these two series can not possibly believe the last movie pans out to be half as great as them. ¿Am I the only one that feels like this movie will utimately¿be an end to Star Trek??

TWack

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Report this Mar. 19 2010, 12:54 pm

yes! I admit I complained when i first saw it, but I think if I saw it again it wouldn't be so bad. It's different, but change is always good
do you really think a revival is possible?

does anybody think Gary Sinise or William Peterson would make good Captains? I know that's really random..

doh742

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Report this Mar. 19 2010, 9:35 pm

no, the new trek will not be the death of star trek.  it will simply lead to a different kind of trek, a faster paced,less morality driven trek.  gone will be debates about the prime directive and non interference, replaced by ds9 style battles and darker trek. the question is, will what emerges really be trek anymore?  only time will tell.  but whatever the end shape, trek is not dead

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Report this Mar. 20 2010, 10:16 am

Quote (KIRA_NGUYEN @ Mar. 19 2010, 8:06 am)
Am I the only one who has noticed a discernable difference between the latest movie "Star Trek" and the greatest Star Treks that have been, like TNG and Voyager. ?I believe the greatest fans of these two series can not possibly believe the last movie pans out to be half as great as them. ?Am I the only one that feels like this movie will utimately?be an end to Star Trek??

TNG and VOY are the two "greatest Star Treks?"

Anyone who believes that? Well, I really don't care what they think of the new film. As it clearly (A) wasn't made for them and (B) harkens back to what once made Star Trek cool (i.e., not a slew of technobabble solutions in place of great characterization and storytelling).

I mean, different strokes for different folks and all that, but c'mon now. Nemesis clearly showed that Trek was moving in the wrong direction. Because of people with opinions such as yours, Kira. (And with a name like that, how can you not be a fan of DS9, which is of much higher quality than both TNG and VOY? IMHO.)

Abrams' Star Trek managed to ignite the imagination of both the old-school Trek fans and the mainstream public by getting away from the "nerdier" tics of TNG/VOY.

And based on the success and positive buzz surrounding the new film, the future for Star Trek looks amazingly bright.

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Report this Mar. 21 2010, 11:10 pm

Quote (starbase63 @ Mar. 19 2010, 10:12 am)
Before we knew when the new movie was being set and who the actual cast was, many fans were hoping to see Sinise play Dr. McCoy.

:logical:

Karl Urban nailed the McCoy role. He was perfect for it.

I initially didn't like the new movie, but I watched it again thru Netflix, liked it more, and then bought it a few weeks ago. It's a good movie. There are some holes, sure. But for the most part I thought it was good.

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Report this Mar. 22 2010, 1:30 pm

Quote (starbase63 @ Mar. 22 2010, 11:30 am)
At least they kept the fact that McCoy was supposed to be a bit older than Kirk...

:logical:

They did get that right. I will always believe that a remake was not the best way to go with ST2009, but I think that they could have made it more acceptable by not going with the SF Academy years and cast older actors across the board. If it was so crucial to begin with the academy years, then the story should not have crammed in the promotion of Kirk to captain.

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Report this Mar. 22 2010, 10:55 pm

Quote (KIRA_NGUYEN @ Mar. 18 2010, 6:06 am)
Am I the only one who has noticed a discernable difference between the latest movie "Star Trek" and the greatest Star Treks that have been, like TNG and Voyager. I believe the greatest fans of these two series can not possibly believe the last movie pans out to be half as great as them. Am I the only one that feels like this movie will utimately be an end to Star Trek??

I think your view is not isolated and you are probably in good company. When (that very first night ever) Star Trek premiered, I was there and the show became not just a television show to me; it was a revelation! I honestly don't remember remembering the 'story'. What it did, immediately, was make me think in ways I had not thought before. This is what I remember about that very first night ever of Star Trek. So I think I identify with what you might be referring to as its greatness. (if this is not what you mean, please forgive my presumption)

The entire time of primetime TOS was a weekly class for me in developing new values, new ways to think about the world around me, my place in it, and so on. I studied the show. Enjoyed the show. Felt myself and my values grow with the show.

When TNG aired (that very first night ever) my 'enjoyment' of StarTrek as an entertainment sored for the first time. As TOS was a time of deep reflection for me, so TNG became a time of great enjoyment for me.

I did not get acquainted with DS9 until long after. Voyager was the next StarTrek for me to encounter and Voyager reached me in the same way that the depth & self discovery of TOS did, and with the entertainment & enjoyment of TNG. Voyager brought back to me weekly the moral questions that encouraged self reflection plus it was wrapped in the enterainment I had begun to enjoy in TNG. Voyager is the best of both worlds for me.

Some of the movies have also given me moments of the depth of moral questions and/or just good fun. Some have needed me to look longer for either as it applies to me. The other two tv series have also required more time from me to appreciate the different depths they have to offer me.

What I see now in the universe of StarTrek is a much wider choice for the individual to perceive as 'greatness'. To some now, the greatness might be depth of story. Maybe making them think, or inspire them to write. To another the greatness might be in the visuals, inspiring them to great works themselves. To some the greatness may be in the StarTrek music, inspiring them to compose. To others it may be the simple enjoyment of entertainment. Who knows. StarTrek is so multifacited now. This is not a bad thing. Inspiration rarely is.

I do not yet see the end of StarTrek's greatness. There is hopefully only an ebb and flow in a particular type of great StarTrek that appeals to you, and that would be personal, being determined by what one's own definition of greatness in StarTrek is desired.

What is great to you in StarTrek may be diminished right now. But hold fast to the DVDs that give you what you need... and just wait. There may be somebody out there who may eventually burst forth onto the scene and bring to StarTrek just what is great to you!

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Report this Mar. 24 2010, 7:18 pm

I struggle to understand how a movie that grossed $385 million dollars worldwide and has been wildly successful in the home video market can signal the "end of Star Trek."

If you mean "the end of Star Trek made in the mold that you personally appreciate," then it may very well be so. I dobut very much that Star Trek will return to the vision and style of the late-80's and early-90's. Like anything else, it needed to change to continue to survive.

There's enough Star Trek, created in various visions and styles, to appeal to everyone. It is a very diverse portfolio. I'm sure something will come along again that you will enjoy. I for one didn't really connect with VOY or ENT, which I found to be stale and bland retreads of TNG...but I didn't thrash about like an angry elephant about it. I simply sat tight until something that was more to my liking was produced.

Give that approach a shot.

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Report this Mar. 25 2010, 6:15 pm

No your not the only one. The new Trek was a sham. The writers producers ran out of ideas so they scavenged the corpse of TOS. Whats funny is they couldnt even be original about it. Its the same story as Nemesis, uber bad guy in a uber ship. It also was less driven by character and relational aspects then previous treks. But what should one expect when they have to target a bunch of kids that are adrenaline junkies hooked on first person shooter games.

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Report this Mar. 25 2010, 9:34 pm

Quote (CptHowdy @ Mar. 24 2010, 7:15 pm)
No your not the only one. The new Trek was a sham. The writers producers ran out of ideas so they scavenged the corpse of TOS. Whats funny is they couldnt even be original about it. Its the same story as Nemesis, uber bad guy in a uber ship. It also was less driven by character and relational aspects then previous treks. But what should one expect when they have to target a bunch of kids that are adrenaline junkies hooked on first person shooter games.

Oh my. Well, see, I told you you are in good company. There you have it; both ends of the continuim. Plus, there are all the voices that make up the innumeral points inbetween. There may be somebody out there who may eventually burst forth onto the scene and bring to StarTrek just what is great to you. It could even be you, or even the poster I've quoted in this post.

Peace, and long life.

Vger23

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Report this Mar. 26 2010, 9:00 am

Quote (CptHowdy @ Mar. 25 2010, 6:15 pm)
No your not the only one. The new Trek was a sham. The writers producers ran out of ideas so they scavenged the corpse of TOS. Whats funny is they couldnt even be original about it. Its the same story as Nemesis, uber bad guy in a uber ship. It also was less driven by character and relational aspects then previous treks. But what should one expect when they have to target a bunch of kids that are adrenaline junkies hooked on first person shooter games.

I love it when some a-hole posts something stupid like "BAAAAAHHHH!!! The new movie was made for those no-good stupid KIDS!"

Right.

Because THIS generation of young people is SO MUCH WORSE than the last 4 generations.

:eyesroll:

You sound like a cranky old man stereotyping an entire group of people.

Get over it man. Seriously.

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Report this Mar. 26 2010, 12:29 pm

And I love it when someone tries to defend themselves and cant do it without resorting to profanity, thanks for proving my point.

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Report this Mar. 26 2010, 1:32 pm

Right. We may be entering the world of 'personal' conflict here, guys. How about we.... belay that. You both have posted views of StarTrek that speak to how you see it. That works for me. And if we could, maybe, pull back just a bit, to continue converse about StarTrek rather than fans? Is that okay? Please? Please? Pretty please? Pretty please with sugar? Please?

Vger23

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Report this Mar. 27 2010, 10:45 am

Quote (CptHowdy @ Mar. 26 2010, 12:29 pm)
And I love it when someone tries to defend themselves and cant do it without resorting to profanity, thanks for proving my point.

How is what I wrote "profanity?"

Where was I "defending" myself? I don't recall any situation needing defense.

What "point" are you proving?

The only point I got from what you posted is that you took your own PERSONAL dislike for a 2-hour movie and translated that into making a negative stereotype on the younger generations.

In my opinion, this is a narrow-minded, insecure and ignorant thing to do. You didn't like the film? Fine...not everyone is going to. But, stop trying to rationalize your feelings by insulting other people who felt differently than you.

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Report this Mar. 27 2010, 2:03 pm

Quote (Vger23 @ Mar. 25 2010, 10:00 am)

.....some a-hole
profanity
Quote (Vger23 @ Mar. 25 2010, 10:00 am)
....posts something stupid
punitive
attack on poster
Quote (Vger23 @ Mar. 25 2010, 10:00 am)
like "BAAAAAHHHH!!! The new movie was made for those no-good stupid KIDS!"
mocking poster
Quote (Vger23 @ Mar. 25 2010, 10:00 am)
You sound like a cranky old man .
personal attack

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