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Top Ten Controverial Trek eps?

Beccs_

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Report this Mar. 17 2010, 2:39 pm

LtPondwater9

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Report this Mar. 17 2010, 3:01 pm

Interesting. I was expecting a different set of episodes there but some were there as I expected like: "Plato's Stepchildren".

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Report this Mar. 18 2010, 6:26 pm

I notice alot of these have to do with the South. :eyesroll:

Except for the Blue collar comedy tour, they really haven't done much worth liking.

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Report this Mar. 18 2010, 10:33 pm

As a 5 year old kid, those alien creatures in "Conspiracy" were the coolest things. I still don't mind the episode, but I can see how many would see it as being wayward. I'll have to consider some of the others further.

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Report this Mar. 19 2010, 12:39 am

How were TATV, Threshold and Dear Doctor not on that list?

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Report this Mar. 19 2010, 4:23 am

I would have removed "Tsunkatse" and replaced "Who Watches The Watchers" in that list. That's wher Picard states flat out that

" Millennia ago, they abandoned their belief in the supernatural. Now you are asking me to sabotage that achievement, to send them back into the Dark Ages of superstition and ignorance and fear? "

Yeah, insult the great majority of viewers that believe God and the supernatural. A totally uncalled for pot shot.

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Report this Mar. 19 2010, 10:55 am

Quote (Yanks @ Mar. 18 2010, 9:46 am)
Quote (SLagonia @ Mar. 19 2010, 12:39 am)
How were TATV, Threshold and Dear Doctor not on that list?

I noticed. I think it's because this list in "the most controvercial" ... :question:

I suppose since all three of those were universally derided, there's no controversy.

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Report this Mar. 20 2010, 3:33 pm

I supposed I shouldn't be surprised any of those were "controversial". People are extremely sensitive. Sometimes it seems like any opinion at all will draw complaints, so the writers respond by making their scripts more and more vague and inoffensive.

Although I can understand about "Spock's Brain" and "Shades of Gray", obviously.

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Report this Mar. 22 2010, 9:32 pm

Looking at this list a second time, I can't help but wonder why the FRAK "In the pale Moonlight" wasn't on this list!?!?!?

:whatthe: :whatthe: :grr:

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Report this Mar. 22 2010, 10:59 pm

I don't get the impression that the author of this article watches much Star Trek.

Adding to the episodes already mentioned, you have the blatantly racist episode TNG "Code of Honor." Then I seem to recall some controversy surrounding TNG "The Outcast." Finally I remember a lot of fans being upset when Archer stranded some aliens in the expanse (I forget the episode name right now).

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Report this Mar. 23 2010, 9:46 am

Quote (TaoTrek @ Mar. 22 2010, 12:32 am)
Looking at this list a second time, I can't help but wonder why the FRAK "In the pale Moonlight" wasn't on this list!?!?!?

:whatthe: :whatthe: :grr:

Now THAT was controversial.

In The Pale Moonlight is by far the most polarizing of Trek episodes.  I really don't know anyone who is on the fence for that one - It's either among the top-ten episodes of all time, or it's one of the worst ever.  There is no middle ground on that one.

For me, it's my #2 DS9 episode and #7 overall.  I love that episode.

That's the thing, most of these episodes were just universally hated episodes.  There's nothing controversial about them - We all hate them.

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Report this Mar. 23 2010, 11:14 am

Quote (SLagonia @ Mar. 22 2010, 10:46 am)
We all hate them.
generalizations that include me
will not always be accurate

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Report this Mar. 23 2010, 11:34 am

Quote (SLagonia @ Mar. 23 2010, 9:46 am)
In The Pale Moonlight is by far the most polarizing of Trek episodes. ¿I really don't know anyone who is on the fence for that one - It's either among the top-ten episodes of all time, or it's one of the worst ever. ¿There is no middle ground on that one.

I didn't know it was polarlizing or controversial. Would you tell me what you know about this?

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Report this Mar. 23 2010, 5:17 pm

Quote (crewmanJC @ Mar. 22 2010, 2:34 pm)
Quote (SLagonia @ Mar. 23 2010, 9:46 am)
In The Pale Moonlight is by far the most polarizing of Trek episodes. ?I really don't know anyone who is on the fence for that one - It's either among the top-ten episodes of all time, or it's one of the worst ever. ?There is no middle ground on that one.

I didn't know it was polarlizing or controversial. Would you tell me what you know about this?

Sure.

It primarily comes down to Sisko's actions.  He committed evil acts in order to save the Federation.  To some, this is the ultimate betrayal of Gene's vision - Since humans are supposed to be clean and virtuous creatures who would stand on their principles no matter what, and never need to worry about conflict.

The way many others see it, however, is that this was never a glorification of Sisko's actions.  This episode isn't about the wonderful Captain Sisko, bragging about how he saved The Federation - This is about Ben Sisko confessing to the crimes that he is guilty of.

The most controversial moment may be when Sisko actually decides that he can live with what he did.  We've seen each of our leading captains willing to sacrifice their lives for The Federation, but this is the first time we saw one willing to sell their soul.  

And that's really where the controversy lies - It lies in the rodenberry idealism and this episode's betrayal of the concept that humans are above what Sisko did.  But on the other hand, it's also about how evil isn't always a simple thing - That villians don't always twirl mustaches and tie women to railroad tracks.  Sometimes the road to Hell really is paved with good intentions, and it's hard to tell where the villian ends and the hero begins.  This is against what Gene preeched; That humans will always do what is right, but it's also in line with much of what Kirk taught us, that humanity is still flawed, but it's the struggle to overcome that which defines us, not our perfection.

I think we need decide what Star Trek is; Is it a serious look at humanity; Our dreams and ambitions, our good and our bad, our virtues and our problems and our desire to overcome those problems and become better people, or is it about a fantasy utopia that sets an example for modern humanity, and though it gives us no plan of action, does show us a result to shoot for?

That's really where fans are split on this episode; Are humans clean and bright, with no selfish emotions?  Or are they flawed humans who simply have a desire to move beyond their flaws?  Are we at the end of the journey or the beginning?

If you ask me - I look to TNG for my answer - Those were not perfect humans, they were arrogant moral-guardians who sat in their ivory towers and judged the commoners from on-high.  They live in isolation, in spartan quarters, alone with nothing but their opulance and classical literature, creating nothing and requiring nothing.  They weren't perfect humans, they were just as flawed as we are.

The fact is, we will always have what makes us do evil things within us.  Very often it is not considered evil when we do it, it is a sound and decent decission, often coming from our principles themselves.  There can be no victory in the battle against these emotions, since victory would cease to make us human.  But really, isn't it the fight that defines us?

That's where this really lies - Are we supposed to be watching perfect humans or are we supposed to be watching humans striving for perfection?

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Report this Mar. 23 2010, 5:28 pm

Quote (SLagonia @ Mar. 23 2010, 5:17 pm)
Quote (crewmanJC @ Mar. 22 2010, 2:34 pm)
Quote (SLagonia @ Mar. 23 2010, 9:46 am)
In The Pale Moonlight is by far the most polarizing of Trek episodes. ?I really don't know anyone who is on the fence for that one - It's either among the top-ten episodes of all time, or it's one of the worst ever. ?There is no middle ground on that one.

I didn't know it was polarlizing or controversial. Would you tell me what you know about this?

Sure.

It primarily comes down to Sisko's actions. ¿He committed evil acts in order to save the Federation. ¿To some, this is the ultimate betrayal of Gene's vision - Since humans are supposed to be clean and virtuous creatures who would stand on their principles no matter what, and never need to worry about conflict.

The way many others see it, however, is that this was never a glorification of Sisko's actions. ¿This episode isn't about the wonderful Captain Sisko, bragging about how he saved The Federation - This is about Ben Sisko confessing to the crimes that he is guilty of.

The most controversial moment may be when Sisko actually decides that he can live with what he did. ¿We've seen each of our leading captains willing to sacrifice their lives for The Federation, but this is the first time we saw one willing to sell their soul. ¿

And that's really where the controversy lies - It lies in the rodenberry idealism and this episode's betrayal of the concept that humans are above what Sisko did. ¿But on the other hand, it's also about how evil isn't always a simple thing - That villians don't always twirl mustaches and tie women to railroad tracks. ¿Sometimes the road to Hell really is paved with good intentions, and it's hard to tell where the villian ends and the hero begins. ¿This is against what Gene preeched; That humans will always do what is right, but it's also in line with much of what Kirk taught us, that humanity is still flawed, but it's the struggle to overcome that which defines us, not our perfection.

I think we need decide what Star Trek is; Is it a serious look at humanity; Our dreams and ambitions, our good and our bad, our virtues and our problems and our desire to overcome those problems and become better people, or is it about a fantasy utopia that sets an example for modern humanity, and though it gives us no plan of action, does show us a result to shoot for?

That's really where fans are split on this episode; Are humans clean and bright, with no selfish emotions? ¿Or are they flawed humans who simply have a desire to move beyond their flaws? ¿Are we at the end of the journey or the beginning?

If you ask me - I look to TNG for my answer - Those were not perfect humans, they were arrogant moral-guardians who sat in their ivory towers and judged the commoners from on-high. ¿They live in isolation, in spartan quarters, alone with nothing but their opulance and classical literature, creating nothing and requiring nothing. ¿They weren't perfect humans, they were just as flawed as we are.

The fact is, we will always have what makes us do evil things within us. ¿Very often it is not considered evil when we do it, it is a sound and decent decission, often coming from our principles themselves. ¿There can be no victory in the battle against these emotions, since victory would cease to make us human. ¿But really, isn't it the fight that defines us?

That's where this really lies - Are we supposed to be watching perfect humans or are we supposed to be watching humans striving for perfection?

It was Garak not Sisko that assassinated Vreenak. It might have been Sisko¿s idea to falsify a Dominion takeover of the Romulan Empire but his plan failed!!! It was Garak¿s brilliance that made that episode.

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