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What's the purpose of Worf?

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Report this Jun. 06 2010, 6:20 am

Quote (starbase63 @ Mar. 10 2010, 9:01 pm)
Quote (Ali88 @ Mar. 10 2010, 11:33 am)
What is the purpose of Worf's character?

Confused Matthew said that Worf exists to do only two things

To pontificate

or

To be publicly humiliated at every opportunity

Would you agree with him about that?

You have to admit, Worf did get humiliated quite a lot actually in both TNG and DS9

Actually DS9 was the only place the character of Worf really got treated with respect.

The TNG movies turned the Klingon warrior into a punch line.

:logical:

No way, dude. The whole Klingon culture aspect of TNG was great and Worf was the lynchpin.

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Report this Jun. 07 2010, 1:21 am

Yeah Worf got respect in TNG.  THe earliest episodes really made him out to be like a monster or a super intelligent dog, but they masterfully developed all of the charachters in a way that makes them the best crew in the Fleet.

I do say though.....Worf had a mad perm going on compared to other klingons.

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Report this Jun. 09 2010, 1:24 am

Quote (starbase63 @ Mar. 10 2010, 7:01 pm)
They did to Worf in the TNG movies what they did to Scotty in STV:TFF.


He even hit his head LOL

Quote (starbase63 @ Mar. 10 2010, 7:01 pm)
Actually DS9 was the only place the character of Worf really got treated with respect.


I have to disagree with this statement. Though Worf's customs were odd to everyone else, the crew did respect his Klingon beliefs; they cared enough for him to figure out that he was all pissy about the Rite of Ascension so they made one for him on the holodeck (The Icarus Factor). And even when Picard could have ordered Worf to surrender his DNA to Dr. Crusher to save the Romulan pilot, he chose not to (The Enemy).

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Report this Jun. 09 2010, 3:55 am

What was the purpose of "Garak" or "Odo"? They were all ostracised from their own culture for a reason and it not being their fault. They learned diversity when they lived among human kind to understand the issues on both sides.

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Report this Nov. 16 2010, 11:36 pm

He does get humiliated, which is probably why he's my fav character.

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Report this Nov. 18 2010, 12:23 pm

Worf is there to remind all that people sleep peacefully at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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Report this Nov. 18 2010, 12:31 pm

Quote: ThankYouGeneR @ Apr. 10 2010, 2:40 pm

Quote (TheDriver @ April 10 2010, 11:39 am)....you'll see how Worf's arrogance is usually a mask to hide his insecurities and feelings of inadequacy around other Klingons. Martok's friendship is about the best thing to ever happen to Worf.

Martok helps him begin to feel more comfortable around other Klingons, telling Worf he's much too serious and takes Klingon honor and tradition WAY too seriously.

Even Kor tries to calm Worf down. Sure, Klingons like to fight. And sure, Klingons like to boast. And sure, Klingons don't like losing face. But Klingons also like to drink and have fun.

Anyway, I find Worf fascinating.
That's the way I've always seen Worf to be, too. Even from the beginning of TNG. To me, Worf's internal struggles with human upbringing, Klingon innate drives/urges, and his incomplete understanding of what a fully developed Klingon personality included was always readable on his face. Dorn kept myriad flashes of Worf's thoughts &/or confusions traveling across his face in all his scenes I believe. A very understandable personal predicament for Worf, acted by M.Dorn who used tiny facial nuances to shout Worf's internal dialogues, which in turn made it easy for me to see the continuing complexity that is our Worf. I find him fascinating myself.


I am right there in agreement with both of you. You have written my thoughts and feelings exactly. Worf is a wonderful character with so many angles, nuances and complexities. He is manly and quite mysterious, one moment subtle and easy going, the next moment bristling and rumbling in his throat. I do not think that Worf is being given enough credit.

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Report this Nov. 18 2010, 12:35 pm

The reason why Worf gets manhandled sometimes is to show the extent of the power of the villain doing the manhandling. When a Borg knocks over Worf in "The Best Of Both Worlds" - it's like, "WOAH. The Borg are tough - they even knocked down Worf!" It's not a hard thing to decipher - a movie/tv thing.

Although it's true that the series clearly did not know what to do with Worf during the first couple of seasons, to claim that getting humiliated was all Worf did in the series is absolutely ludicrous - almost as ludicrous as those who actually listen to Confused Matthew, the sort of no-substance nit-picking nerd that gives all Star Trek fans a bad name, and take more than a grain of salt away from anything he has to say.

There are plenty of TNG episodes which show Worf as not only a competent officer but as a dimensional character. I can think of "Redemption", "Reunion," "Parallels," "Sins Of The Father," "Heart Of Glory," "The Emissary," just off of the top of my head.

So, five-card stud, nothing wild. And the sky's the limit....

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Report this Nov. 18 2010, 12:38 pm

Quote: PhantasmX @ Apr. 11 2010, 4:28 pm

>This is like asking what's the purpose of Riker when Data can fill the role.
Exactly. One might as well say---


What is the purpose of Geordi? All he does is run around engineering, yelling into the commbadge "I'm doing all that I can, Captain!".


What is the purpose of Riker? All he does is puff out his chest, frown, and yell "Rrrrrrrrred alert!"


What is the purpose of Beverly? All she does is heal sick people and occasionally hit on Picard And on-and-on the list goes.


Do not misunderstand me, the above examples are not reflections of my views of the characters. I am simply saying that to say "What is the purpose of so-and-so? Insert negative reflection here!" is really quite silly. Saying that Worf's sole purpose or main purpose on TNG was to be laughed at an insulted is an extremely narrow (and close-minded) view.


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Report this Nov. 18 2010, 12:39 pm

Quote: JazzTNG @ Nov. 18 2010, 12:35 pm

The reason why Worf gets manhandled sometimes is to show the extent of the power of the villain doing the manhandling. When a Borg knocks over Worf in "The Best Of Both Worlds" - it's like, "WOAH. The Borg are tough - they even knocked down Worf!" It's not a hard thing to decipher - a movie/tv thing. Although it's true that the series clearly did not know what to do with Worf during the first couple of seasons, to claim that getting humiliated was all Worf did in the series is absolutely ludicrous - almost as ludicrous as those who actually listen to Confused Matthew, the sort of no-substance nit-picking nerd that gives all Star Trek fans a bad name, and take more than a grain of salt away from anything he has to say. There are plenty of TNG episodes which show Worf as not only a competent officer but as a dimensional character. I can think of "Redemption", "Reunion," "Parallels," "Sins Of The Father," "Heart Of Glory," "The Emissary," just off of the top of my head.


Thank you.

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Report this Nov. 18 2010, 11:33 pm

I think Worf was a complex, but very heroic character. His human experiences made him more than just a rowdy, blood-lusting, scheming Klingon. His loyalty to Picard protected him from many dangers to which he might have been exposed, had Worf not always protected his back.
Worf's honesty made him an unusual diplomat, when he later became Ambassador. I think he should have become Chancellor after Martok was ready to retire.

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