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What's the purpose of Worf?

Ali88

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Report this Mar. 10 2010, 11:33 am

What is the purpose of Worf's character?

Confused Matthew said that Worf exists to do only two things

To pontificate

or

To be publicly humiliated at every opportunity

Would you agree with him about that?

You have to admit, Worf did get humiliated quite a lot actually in both TNG and DS9

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Report this Mar. 10 2010, 12:27 pm

He was their token Klingon.  Ron Moore at least seemed interested in making him a character.  Episodes like The Bonding and Reunion are great examples of Worf doing more than trying to shoot the viewscreen.

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Report this Mar. 10 2010, 4:46 pm

Quote (starbase63 @ Mar. 10 2010, 7:01 pm)
Actually DS9 was the only place the character of Worf really got treated with respect.

The TNG movies turned the Klingon warrior into a punch line.

I agree wholeheartedly.

Although Ron Moore also treated Worf with a great deal of respect in First Contact. I mean, of the main cast, Picard and Worf were the two main "action heroes" of the film. (Oddly enough, Mr. Deus ex Machina himself - Data - became a victim in FC.)

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Report this Mar. 10 2010, 4:48 pm

Not true, Worf had some decent TNG moments. People loved him. Whatever.

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Report this Mar. 11 2010, 12:17 pm

Seriously, I like Worf a lot better in DS9 and it is because his character is treated with a lot more respect than TNG. :honorable:

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Report this Mar. 11 2010, 2:33 pm

I agree, in TNG Worf is just the stoic alien, trying to fill the "adjusting to human society" category but facing too much competition from Data. I think its great that Worf became a main character with proper stories and cool klingon traits in DS9.

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Report this Mar. 11 2010, 3:29 pm

It seems like in TNG the crew always tried to get Worf to stop being so Klingon. They made fun of him a lot and sometimes outright disrespected him. In DS9 that rarely happened, probably because there were so many alien species around that he hardly stood out.

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Report this Mar. 12 2010, 12:29 pm

wish i had his super ship in the alt universe though.

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Report this Apr. 10 2010, 6:24 am

In marathoning DS9 as I'm doing now, I decided that Worf gets unpleasant and unlikeable, as well as consuming screen time that could have gone to the other DS9 characters who were there from the start.   In any good DS9 Klingon episode, Worf is usually at the center of interesting events, but is not very interesting himself.   All the other Klingon characters make these episodes.

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Report this Apr. 10 2010, 12:39 pm

I agree with you to a point, MirrorRobotVic. I think one of the personality traits Behr, Wolfe, Moore, et al. brought to the fore with Worf on DS9 was his arrogance. (Belittling Odo at the beginning, telling Sisko the others can learn from him, sleeping on the Defiant, etc.)

And this was a trait TNG viewers were not wholly familiar with.

But... If you keep watching the series, you'll see how Worf's arrogance is usually a mask to hide his insecurities and feelings of inadequacy around other Klingons. Martok's friendship is about the best thing to ever happen to Worf. Yes, even better than his relationship with the arrogant Jadzia Dax.

Martok helps him begin to feel more comfortable around other Klingons, telling Worf he's much too serious and takes Klingon honor and tradition WAY too seriously.

Even Kor tries to calm Worf down. Sure, Klingons like to fight. And sure, Klingons like to boast. And sure, Klingons don't like losing face. But Klingons also like to drink and have fun.

It's also revealed on DS9 that much of Worf's personality was shaped after killing a kid during a childhood soccer match. He allowed his Klingon side free reign, and paid the price. After that, Worf continually tried to repress his "wild side."

Anyway, I find Worf fascinating. Although I will cop to liking Martok more. (I mean, who doesn't?) :cool:

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Report this Apr. 10 2010, 2:40 pm

Quote (TheDriver @ April 10 2010, 11:39 am)
....you'll see how Worf's arrogance is usually a mask to hide his insecurities and feelings of inadequacy around other Klingons. Martok's friendship is about the best thing to ever happen to Worf.

Martok helps him begin to feel more comfortable around other Klingons, telling Worf he's much too serious and takes Klingon honor and tradition WAY too seriously.

Even Kor tries to calm Worf down. Sure, Klingons like to fight. And sure, Klingons like to boast. And sure, Klingons don't like losing face. But Klingons also like to drink and have fun.

Anyway, I find Worf fascinating.

That's the way I've always seen Worf to be, too. Even from the beginning of TNG. To me, Worf's internal struggles with human upbringing, Klingon innate drives/urges, and his incomplete understanding of what a fully developed Klingon personality included was always readable on his face. Dorn kept myriad flashes of Worf's thoughts &/or confusions traveling across his face in all his scenes I believe. A very understandable personal predicament for Worf, acted by M.Dorn who used tiny facial nuances to shout Worf's internal dialogues, which in turn made it easy for me to see the continuing complexity that is our Worf. I find him fascinating myself.

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Report this Apr. 11 2010, 4:28 pm

This is like asking what's the purpose of Riker when Data can fill the role.

Spock: science officer, first officer, security officer, advisor, similar to Troi.

Spock's character was broken down to form Riker, Data, Troi, and Worf in TNG. I rather see more actors and actresses than watching one person trying to fill four different roles.

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Report this Apr. 11 2010, 5:25 pm

The purpose of any character on a TV show is to provide the audience with a reason to watch. We like the characters, we watch them do stuff, and hopefully they grow and change. Sometimes we sympathise with them, sometimes we don't.

I think Worf has a much greater range than just "pontificating" or "being humiliated". He's as dynamic a character as any of the others. What was Picard's "purpose"? To make speeches, and to drink tea? Or Spock's "purpose"? To provide exposition, and complain about illogical humans?

Worf developed as an interesting character on TNG, halfway between cultures. On DS9 he got a huge stick shoved up his butt and forgot that he'd been raised on Earth. By treating Worf with "respect" the DS9 writers reduced him to a stoic warrior whose main "purpose" is looking cool and snapping Jemhadar necks -- his growth and development as a character with a unique perspective sometimes coming in second to neat fight scenes. See, you can reduce anything to basics if you try.

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Report this Apr. 13 2010, 3:28 am

Quote (Ali88 @ Mar. 09 2010, 12:33 pm)
What is the purpose of Worf's character?

To kill things and eat them.

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Report this Apr. 18 2010, 4:16 pm

In TNG Worf sucked, yet the Klingon episodes were some of the best. In DS9 Worf was a great character. Ya know though, I could have done without the Jadzia\Worf romance. Love in Trek never goes well and the writers are trying to hook up a warrior type character with a trill? It never had any chance of working.

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