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Why is Obama pushing this frakin bill?

chr3335

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Report this Mar. 10 2010, 8:43 am

He basically has spend all of his political capital on this bill his presidency is riding on doing something about health care.

SLagonia

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Report this Mar. 10 2010, 10:55 am

Quote (chr3335 @ Mar. 09 2010, 11:43 am)
He basically has spend all of his political capital on this bill his presidency is riding on doing something about health care.

That's pretty much it.  The thing you need to ask is not why he would do something as monumentally stupid as ramming this unpopular bill down our throats with immproper proceedure, but rather, what will happen to him if he doesn't.

Honestly, I'm not sure which is worse.

Corwin88

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Report this Mar. 10 2010, 1:04 pm

Can you say Naked Power Grab?

I thought you could.  

:laugh:

I'd depend on government to handle my healthcare needs as soon as you show me a government employee that can make it in the private sector.  Not all government folks are incompetent. But do you want the same class of weasel that runs the DMV telling you that tumor will go away on it's own?

Corwin88

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Report this Mar. 10 2010, 1:19 pm

Quote (TheChronicOne @ Mar. 10 2010, 1:11 pm)
Quote (Corwin88 @ Mar. 10 2010, 12:04 pm)
Can you say Naked Power Grab?

I thought you could. ?

:laugh:

I'd depend on government to handle my healthcare needs as soon as you show me a government employee that can make it in the private sector. ?Not all government folks are incompetent. But do you want the same class of weasel that runs the DMV telling you that tumor will go away on it's own?

I have to go to the tag agency later and get an MVR report on myself.

I was told it will cost $10.

I'm going to go down there later and raise hell and demand they simply copy it to a 1.4 MB floppy disk that I'll provide and print it my damm self if they think a couple sheets of paper and 5 cents worth of ink is worth 10 flipping dollars.

Good luck with that, most likely The Department of Homeboy Security will haul your ass away for using your brain.

1,44MB floppy? Heard of a USB drive there, Gramps?

:laugh:

nhranger

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Report this Mar. 10 2010, 4:09 pm

Republicans have been using reconciliation for decades.  Now they are crying.  Give me a break.

nhranger

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Report this Mar. 10 2010, 4:14 pm

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A History Of Reconciliation

For 30 years, major changes to health care laws have passed via the budget reconciliation process. Here are a few examples:

1982 ¿ TEFRA: The Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act first opened Medicare to HMOs

1986 ¿ COBRA: The Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act allowed people who were laid off to keep their health coverage, and stopped hospitals from dumping ER patients unable to pay for their care

1987 ¿ OBRA '87: Added nursing home protection rules to Medicare and Medicaid, created no-fault vaccine injury compensation program

1989 ¿ OBRA '89: Overhauled doctor payment system for Medicare, created new federal agency on research and quality of care

1990 ¿ OBRA '90: Added cancer screenings to Medicare, required providers to notify patients about advance directives and living wills, expanded Medicaid to all kids living below poverty level, required drug companies to provide discounts to Medicaid

1993 ¿ OBRA '93: created federal vaccine funding for all children

1996 ¿ Welfare Reform: Separated Medicaid from welfare

1997 ¿ BBA: The Balanced Budget Act created the state-federal childrens' health program called CHIP

2005 ¿ DRA: The Deficit Reduction Act reduced Medicaid spending, allowed parents of disabled children to buy into Medicaid


You putzs need to stop acting like this is something new.  Just like the use recent use of the filibuster isn't anything new.  The only thing new about that is the record amount of times it has been used by republicans in the last few years.

TheFounder

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Report this Mar. 10 2010, 5:59 pm

Quote (nhranger @ Mar. 09 2010, 5:14 pm)
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A History Of Reconciliation

For 30 years, major changes to health care laws have passed via the budget reconciliation process. Here are a few examples:

1982 ? TEFRA: The Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act first opened Medicare to HMOs

1986 ? COBRA: The Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act allowed people who were laid off to keep their health coverage, and stopped hospitals from dumping ER patients unable to pay for their care

1987 ? OBRA '87: Added nursing home protection rules to Medicare and Medicaid, created no-fault vaccine injury compensation program

1989 ? OBRA '89: Overhauled doctor payment system for Medicare, created new federal agency on research and quality of care

1990 ? OBRA '90: Added cancer screenings to Medicare, required providers to notify patients about advance directives and living wills, expanded Medicaid to all kids living below poverty level, required drug companies to provide discounts to Medicaid

1993 ? OBRA '93: created federal vaccine funding for all children

1996 ? Welfare Reform: Separated Medicaid from welfare

1997 ? BBA: The Balanced Budget Act created the state-federal childrens' health program called CHIP

2005 ? DRA: The Deficit Reduction Act reduced Medicaid spending, allowed parents of disabled children to buy into Medicaid


You putzs need to stop acting like this is something new. ¿Just like the use recent use of the filibuster isn't anything new. ¿The only thing new about that is the record amount of times it has been used by republicans in the last few years.

The act of reconciliation isn't new. What's new is how the Democrats were talking about using it this time around.

As to why The Obama is still pushing for this bill... it's their best opportunity. The Democrats squandered their chances while they had a filibuster proof majority in the Senate and they are destined to lose some seats in the next election. (I'm not necessarily saying that they are going to lose their majority status but they will lose enough seats so that the Republicans can block some of The Obama's loonier ideas.)

Right now is the best opportunity they've got.

SLagonia

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Report this Mar. 10 2010, 6:22 pm

Quote (nhranger @ Mar. 09 2010, 7:14 pm)
Quote
A History Of Reconciliation

For 30 years, major changes to health care laws have passed via the budget reconciliation process. Here are a few examples:

1982 ? TEFRA: The Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act first opened Medicare to HMOs

1986 ? COBRA: The Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act allowed people who were laid off to keep their health coverage, and stopped hospitals from dumping ER patients unable to pay for their care

1987 ? OBRA '87: Added nursing home protection rules to Medicare and Medicaid, created no-fault vaccine injury compensation program

1989 ? OBRA '89: Overhauled doctor payment system for Medicare, created new federal agency on research and quality of care

1990 ? OBRA '90: Added cancer screenings to Medicare, required providers to notify patients about advance directives and living wills, expanded Medicaid to all kids living below poverty level, required drug companies to provide discounts to Medicaid

1993 ? OBRA '93: created federal vaccine funding for all children

1996 ? Welfare Reform: Separated Medicaid from welfare

1997 ? BBA: The Balanced Budget Act created the state-federal childrens' health program called CHIP

2005 ? DRA: The Deficit Reduction Act reduced Medicaid spending, allowed parents of disabled children to buy into Medicaid


You putzs need to stop acting like this is something new. ¿Just like the use recent use of the filibuster isn't anything new. ¿The only thing new about that is the record amount of times it has been used by republicans in the last few years.

Reconciliation is for use on budgets and funding bills, not policy bills.  It has a time and place, but this isn't it.

TheFounder

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Report this Mar. 10 2010, 6:47 pm

Quote (SLagonia @ Mar. 09 2010, 7:22 pm)
Quote (nhranger @ Mar. 09 2010, 7:14 pm)
Quote
A History Of Reconciliation

For 30 years, major changes to health care laws have passed via the budget reconciliation process. Here are a few examples:

1982 ? TEFRA: The Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act first opened Medicare to HMOs

1986 ? COBRA: The Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act allowed people who were laid off to keep their health coverage, and stopped hospitals from dumping ER patients unable to pay for their care

1987 ? OBRA '87: Added nursing home protection rules to Medicare and Medicaid, created no-fault vaccine injury compensation program

1989 ? OBRA '89: Overhauled doctor payment system for Medicare, created new federal agency on research and quality of care

1990 ? OBRA '90: Added cancer screenings to Medicare, required providers to notify patients about advance directives and living wills, expanded Medicaid to all kids living below poverty level, required drug companies to provide discounts to Medicaid

1993 ? OBRA '93: created federal vaccine funding for all children

1996 ? Welfare Reform: Separated Medicaid from welfare

1997 ? BBA: The Balanced Budget Act created the state-federal childrens' health program called CHIP

2005 ? DRA: The Deficit Reduction Act reduced Medicaid spending, allowed parents of disabled children to buy into Medicaid


You putzs need to stop acting like this is something new. ?Just like the use recent use of the filibuster isn't anything new. ?The only thing new about that is the record amount of times it has been used by republicans in the last few years.

Reconciliation is for use on budgets and funding bills, not policy bills. ¿It has a time and place, but this isn't it.

You should be careful. If Rahm Emanuelle sees this he might get naked and poke you in your shower.

caltrek

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Report this Mar. 10 2010, 9:33 pm

Wow. The cry baby Republicans are really outdoing themselves these days. Talk about chtzpa. First, they set new records for filibusters. This is clearly abuse of a privlege granted to them by the Democrats. Then they whine and complain when the Demos finally get enough gumption to say enoogh is enough. If they didn't want the filibuster to be circumvented then they shouldn't have invoked it so often in the first place. Why should a minority of lawmakers be able to determine what legislation does and does not get past?

That is fundamentally undemocrat. Sure, a limited use of the filibuster should be tolerated in order to promote consensus, but the Republicans have gone way overboard in taking advantage of that argument.

Here is an interesting article that takes the other side to the article cited earlier in this thread:

Fire Dog Lake

Cruervo

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Report this Mar. 10 2010, 9:36 pm

Quote (caltrek @ Mar. 09 2010, 10:33 pm)
Wow. The cry baby Republicans are really outdoing themselves these days. Talk about chtzpa. First, they set new records for filibusters. This is clearly abuse of a privlege granted to them by the Democrats. Then they whine and complain when the Demos finally get enough gumption to say enoogh is enough. If they didn't want the filibuster to be circumvented then they shouldn't have invoked it so often in the first place. Why should a minority of lawmakers be able to determine what legislation does and does not get past?

That is fundamentally undemocrat. Sure, a limited use of the filibuster should be tolerated in order to promote consensus, but the Republicans have gone way overboard in taking advantage of that argument.

Here is an interesting article that takes the other side to the article cited earlier in this thread:

Fire Dog Lake

You mean unrepublican? We're not a democracy.

TrekFan1701E

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Report this Mar. 10 2010, 9:50 pm

I think its really that the Democrats are so arrogant that they just want to make History and forget everybody else. They have been comparing this bill to other ones like Social Security and Medicare.

TrekFan1701E

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Report this Mar. 10 2010, 9:51 pm

Quote (caltrek @ Mar. 10 2010, 9:33 pm)
Wow. The cry baby Republicans are really outdoing themselves these days. Talk about chtzpa. First, they set new records for filibusters. This is clearly abuse of a privlege granted to them by the Democrats. Then they whine and complain when the Demos finally get enough gumption to say enoogh is enough. If they didn't want the filibuster to be circumvented then they shouldn't have invoked it so often in the first place. Why should a minority of lawmakers be able to determine what legislation does and does not get past?

That is fundamentally undemocrat. Sure, a limited use of the filibuster should be tolerated in order to promote consensus, but the Republicans have gone way overboard in taking advantage of that argument.

Here is an interesting article that takes the other side to the article cited earlier in this thread:

Fire Dog Lake

How is adding a 2 to 6 Trillion to the debt which is what alot of experts think this bill will really cost bring down the deficit? The Democrats have used the filibuster before and also have said they didn't like the reconciliation plan when Republicans were in charge.

JOYOFVGR

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Report this Mar. 11 2010, 8:14 am

Quote (Yanks @ Mar. 10 2010, 1:36 pm)
Quote (Yourstruly_Jack_theRipper @ Mar. 10 2010, 1:25 pm)
The question is...
How can We as US Citizens defeat this bill or any other power grab?

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" quote...Ronald Reagan

Yanks stands at attention with his hand over his heart.

*Joy joins Yanks*

TrekFan1701E

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Report this Mar. 11 2010, 5:04 pm

In yesterday's speech Obama said the health care bill is already paid for. Isn't that like buying something before you have the money? I wonder when it comes time to pay for the bill they haven't cut health care fraud and Obama has to go back on his pledge not to raise taxes on people earning $250,000 or less?

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