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Mar. 03 2010, 9:45 am
http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2010....ers-say| Quote | Fuel Taxes Must Rise, Harvard Researchers Say
By SINDYA N. BHANOO
To meet the Obama administration¿s targets for cutting greenhouse gas emissions, some researchers say, Americans may have to experience a sobering reality: gas at $7 a gallon.
To reduce carbon dioxide emissions in the transportation sector 14 percent from 2005 levels by 2020, the cost of driving must simply increase, according to a forthcoming report by researchers at Harvard¿s Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs.
The 14 percent target was set in the Environmental Protection Agency¿s budget for fiscal 2010.
In their study, the researchers devised several combinations of steps that United States policymakers might take in trying to address the heat-trapping emissions by the nation¿s transportation sector, which consume 70 percent of the oil used in the United States.
Most of their models assumed an economy-wide carbon dioxide tax starting at $30 a ton in 2010 and escalating to $60 a ton in 2030. In some cases researchers also factored in tax credits for electric and hybrid vehicles, taxes on fuel or both.
In the modeling, it turned out that issuing tax credits could backfire, while taxes on fuel proved beneficial.
¿Tax credits don¿t address how much people use their cars,¿ said Ross Morrow, one of the report¿s authors. ¿In reverse, they can make people drive more.¿
Dr. Morrow, formerly a fellow at the Belfer Center, is a professor of mechanical engineering and economics at Iowa State University
Researchers said that vehicle miles traveled will increase by more than 30 percent between 2010 and 2030 unless policymakers increase fuel taxes. |
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Mar. 03 2010, 10:10 am
*reaches for axe handle*
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Mar. 03 2010, 10:14 am
Once The Oil company's decide there's not enough profit or it's to costly to produce gas, they will stop producing the product, hence no gas.  |
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Mar. 03 2010, 10:16 am
At least those prices are still theorectical for citizens of the USA.  |
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Mar. 03 2010, 10:41 am
| Quote (Yanks @ Mar. 03 2010, 10:32 am) | | Quote (CornishMonkey @ Mar. 03 2010, 10:16 am) | | At least those prices are still theorectical for citizens of the USA. |
Well, to be honest, anything under 5 bucks is a gift.
Look at the gas prices over in the UK.... |
Excuse me!...gift?...there are alot more people driving cars here in the US, than the UK. Gift?...think again... |
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Mar. 03 2010, 11:04 am
| Quote (Yanks @ Mar. 03 2010, 3:32 pm) | | Quote (CornishMonkey @ Mar. 03 2010, 10:16 am) | | At least those prices are still theorectical for citizens of the USA. |
Well, to be honest, anything under 5 bucks is a gift.
Look at the gas prices over in the UK.... |
I look at them constantly. |
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Mar. 03 2010, 11:06 am
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Mar. 03 2010, 11:12 am
| Quote (TheChronicOne @ Mar. 03 2010, 4:11 pm) | | Quote (CornishMonkey @ Mar. 03 2010, 10:06 am) | | Quote (natenemo @ Mar. 03 2010, 3:41 pm) | | Quote (Yanks @ Mar. 03 2010, 10:32 am) | | Quote (CornishMonkey @ Mar. 03 2010, 10:16 am) | | At least those prices are still theorectical for citizens of the USA. |
Well, to be honest, anything under 5 bucks is a gift.
Look at the gas prices over in the UK.... |
Excuse me!...gift?...there are alot more people driving cars here in the US, than the UK. Gift?...think again... |
I would think that was a logical extrapolation, given the larger US population. I will ignore the fact that you didn't think through what you were saying, okay?  |
Say there, buddy!
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Word up, Chron-dude! I am sneaking a few minutes of interwebbing whilst waiting for my steak sandwich. Good times... o_Q |
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Mar. 03 2010, 11:21 am
Negative, brother. I am consuming a fair amount of it too!
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Mar. 03 2010, 12:44 pm
| Quote (TheChronicOne @ Mar. 02 2010, 1:47 pm) | It's going to be REAL fun in about 20 years when the more readily accessible fossil fuel stores are sapped and we are at the point of squeezing blood from a stone. Prices will be amazing.. people will be walking.
We'll wish we had prepared... |
You do realize we know of more oil reserves today than at any other point in history, right? |
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Mar. 03 2010, 12:47 pm
| Quote (TheChronicOne @ Mar. 03 2010, 11:09 am) | | Quote (Yanks @ Mar. 03 2010, 10:03 am) | | Quote (TheChronicOne @ Mar. 03 2010, 10:47 am) | It's going to be REAL fun in about 20 years when the more readily accessible fossil fuel stores are sapped and we are at the point of squeezing blood from a stone. Prices will be amazing.. people will be walking.
We'll wish we had prepared... |
We'll be fine. The market will adjust. |
Yeah, but once it's gone.. it's gone!
We'll adjust, alright... to walking shoes.
People are so adamantly AGAINST doing things to prepare ourselves for this.... they don't realize they are shooting themselves in the feet (ironic, because they will need their feet later on to get around).
They AREN'T 'making it up' when they say that the finite stores of fossil fuels will be utterly tapped in a few years.. considering China's industrial revolution and the sheer magnitude of population increase based consumption.
Just wait and see... prices will sky rocket first, then there just won't be any more and there will be piles of gas powered vehicles.... worthless.. littering the by ways while people walk not so merrily to wherever they can walk to.
All because people were too stupid to prepare.
I don't give a damm what people think about Al Gore and all that shit.... ¿but it's just plain god damm stupid to ignore scientific fact and just sit there and "hope" things work themselves out. |
It's because we are kings or should I say presidents. of PROCRASTINATION!!!! Yeah not really funny, but it still is from a certain perspective. |
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Mar. 03 2010, 12:59 pm
| Quote (TheChronicOne @ Mar. 02 2010, 3:45 pm) | | Quote (SLagonia @ Mar. 03 2010, 11:44 am) | | Quote (TheChronicOne @ Mar. 02 2010, 1:47 pm) | It's going to be REAL fun in about 20 years when the more readily accessible fossil fuel stores are sapped and we are at the point of squeezing blood from a stone. Prices will be amazing.. people will be walking.
We'll wish we had prepared... |
You do realize we know of more oil reserves today than at any other point in history, right? |
You do realize that doesn't mean there is an infinite supply, right? |
You do realize a finite supply doesn't mean it's going to run out tomorrow, right? |
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Mar. 03 2010, 1:12 pm
| Quote (TheChronicOne @ Mar. 02 2010, 4:01 pm) | | Quote (SLagonia @ Mar. 03 2010, 11:59 am) | | Quote (TheChronicOne @ Mar. 02 2010, 3:45 pm) | | Quote (SLagonia @ Mar. 03 2010, 11:44 am) | | Quote (TheChronicOne @ Mar. 02 2010, 1:47 pm) | It's going to be REAL fun in about 20 years when the more readily accessible fossil fuel stores are sapped and we are at the point of squeezing blood from a stone. Prices will be amazing.. people will be walking.
We'll wish we had prepared... |
You do realize we know of more oil reserves today than at any other point in history, right? |
You do realize that doesn't mean there is an infinite supply, right? |
You do realize a finite supply doesn't mean it's going to run out tomorrow, right? |
Excuse me?
Where the hell did I say that?
Find it and get back to me.
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I know you're not stupid, so you couldn't have misunderstood me, so I'll just ignore this post. |
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Mar. 03 2010, 1:25 pm
| Quote (TheChronicOne @ Mar. 03 2010, 12:50 pm) | | Quote (Kdbtrekkin @ Mar. 03 2010, 11:47 am) | | Quote (TheChronicOne @ Mar. 03 2010, 11:09 am) | | Quote (Yanks @ Mar. 03 2010, 10:03 am) | | Quote (TheChronicOne @ Mar. 03 2010, 10:47 am) | It's going to be REAL fun in about 20 years when the more readily accessible fossil fuel stores are sapped and we are at the point of squeezing blood from a stone. Prices will be amazing.. people will be walking.
We'll wish we had prepared... |
We'll be fine. The market will adjust. |
Yeah, but once it's gone.. it's gone!
We'll adjust, alright... to walking shoes.
People are so adamantly AGAINST doing things to prepare ourselves for this.... they don't realize they are shooting themselves in the feet (ironic, because they will need their feet later on to get around).
They AREN'T 'making it up' when they say that the finite stores of fossil fuels will be utterly tapped in a few years.. considering China's industrial revolution and the sheer magnitude of population increase based consumption.
Just wait and see... prices will sky rocket first, then there just won't be any more and there will be piles of gas powered vehicles.... worthless.. littering the by ways while people walk not so merrily to wherever they can walk to.
All because people were too stupid to prepare.
I don't give a damm what people think about Al Gore and all that shit.... ?but it's just plain god damm stupid to ignore scientific fact and just sit there and "hope" things work themselves out. |
It's because we are kings or should I say presidents.
of PROCRASTINATION!!!!
Yeah not really funny, but it still is from a certain perspective. |
True..
highly stupid, too.
I can't believe people want to just use oil until it's all gone and costs way too much instead of trying to do something smarter.
So stupid... |
I know so stupid, my mind is losing brain cells at the stupidity of the masses. Frankly I like the studies and the tests that just take garbage(straight up garbage) and it gets broken down into basic elements.  A leader, you see, is one of the things that distinguishes a mob from a people. He maintains the level of individuals. Too few individuals, and the people reverts to a mob. -- Frank Herbert We need more individuals. There are to few individuals which is why the world thinks like a mob(that is being fairly stupid), which will get us no where. As our world is showing us right now. |
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Mar. 03 2010, 1:41 pm
I'm always up for going forward. Though I imagine for some it can be hard. Like a broken relationship, you loved him or her madly deeply and you can't let go. Well you have to. No if's and's or but's about it. Otherwise you will die alone, so alone, so very very alone.
So we just have to recognize oil had it's day and it's time to move one. We are human. We did go from the stone age to the computer age, I think we can still keep going.
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