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"Threshold" Do you hate it?

brcarthey

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Report this Mar. 09 2010, 10:47 am

Quote (chr3335 @ Mar. 09 2010, 10:44 am)
Quote (captainroe @ Mar. 08 2010, 10:52 am)
I really liked this show. I think the reason if failed was because many viewers wanted more action and less science.

The reason it failed is because it was an insult to the intelligence of every star trek viewer.

yeah, exactly, like every time they transport, warp space, or create any type of tangible matter out of pure energy that insults our intelligence too. [/sarcasm]

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Report this Mar. 09 2010, 11:53 am

There's a difference between plausible future advancements in science and downright stupid impossibilities.  Traveling at infinite velocity and "evolving" into the only ceature less adept at surviving than the Ocampa falls into the second category.

brcarthey

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Report this Mar. 09 2010, 12:32 pm

Quote (kvlc @ Mar. 09 2010, 11:53 am)
There's a difference between plausible future advancements in science and downright stupid impossibilities. ?Traveling at infinite velocity and "evolving" into the only ceature less adept at surviving than the Ocampa falls into the second category.

wow! so you know how we're going to evolve over the next few millenia and eons? i'm impressed even with all my scientific degrees i can't even deduce that. but, you accept transporter technology that breaks everyone who uses it down to energy then reassembles them all the while keeping their sentience and memories intact. that's plausible? interesting.

actually, the warping of space for travel wasn't even mathematically deduced until 2007 by richard obousy, which was derived from the einstein field theory. so before that they were basically pulling feces out of their sphincters, just like transporters.

kvlc

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Report this Mar. 09 2010, 1:56 pm

Sorry but those are completely plausible.  The rudiments currently exist for those technologies to take form in the next 50-100 years.

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Report this Mar. 09 2010, 3:14 pm

Quote (brcarthey @ Mar. 08 2010, 3:32 pm)
actually, the warping of space for travel wasn't even mathematically deduced until 2007 by richard obousy, which was derived from the einstein field theory. so before that they were basically pulling feces out of their sphincters, just like transporters.

It wasn't a fully-formulated theory, but it was still a theoretical possibility.  

You can't travel to infinity.  It doesn't matter what technology you have, what mathmatics you've discovered, what you've evolved into or what technobable you can come up with.  It's not possible.

To put this in perspective, warp travel is possible.  We don't have the technology to do it right now, but it's just a matter of economics and mathmatical understandings.  

There are some things that we don't know are possible, but might be.  Telepathy has no basis in mathmatics or physics, but it might be possible through means we just don't understand yet.  It's possible that there are other avenues of physics that have yet to be explored.

But this isn't either of those.  One was a technological problem, one was a fundemental understanding problem.  Niether was actually impossible.

Flying to infinity is impossible.  It doesn't matter what you do - The very definition of what infinity is precludes the possibility of it being reached.  It's not a speed - It's a concept.

GalaxyClass14

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Report this Mar. 09 2010, 5:03 pm

Quote (kvlc @ Mar. 08 2010, 11:18 am)
I would have settled for any science. ¿If you thought what you saw in Threshold was science you must have skipped that class in high school.

certainly respect your viewpoint.
the episode was not to your liking,

science fiction is 'entertainment'
(whether we like results or no)
extrapolated into the future
from a point in science
and
atavism is scientific theory
thought to be fact.

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Report this Mar. 09 2010, 5:04 pm

Quote (chr3335 @ Mar. 08 2010, 11:44 am)
Quote (captainroe @ Mar. 08 2010, 10:52 am)
I really liked this show. I think the reason if failed was because many viewers wanted more action and less science.

The reason it failed is because it was an insult to the intelligence of every star trek viewer.

hey!

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Report this Mar. 09 2010, 5:05 pm

Quote (Enterprise19 @ Mar. 05 2010, 11:41 am)
Quote (Zaltar @ Mar. 04 2010, 6:15 pm)
I think its fine. ?Not the best S2 episode but its OK.

Yeah, I used to think it was the worst episode, but it's actually a good episode. And the worst episode of Star Trek ever written by B&B is These Are The Voyages...

heyy!

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Report this Mar. 09 2010, 6:23 pm

Parts of it weren't that bad, but its the sum that counts here and that, after surviving watching it, I won't watch it again.

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