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DOWN WITH STAR TREK XI!

rocketscientist

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Report this Mar. 05 2010, 3:00 pm

And, y'know one other thing.  I know it's been said before, but I really do think ST XI deserved that nomination for best picture.  Now, I don't know if it deserved to win the Oscar in comparison to the other films, but if they're going to bump up the nominated films from 5 to 10 and include Avatar and District 9 all for the sake of higher ratings for the show (which is totally why they did it, according to critics and insiders), then, I'm sorry, but Abrams' ST, which was, imo, equally innovative and fresh, according to many critics as well as James Cameron himself, deserves to be up there too.  Again, not that it has any chance of winning or deserves to win, but simply to recognize its quality, which I think was extremely high, being a bonifide blockbuster and critical darling, the best-reviewed ST film ever.  

It's in a similar situation as The Dark Knight, a genre film all the critics felt deserved to be nominated but wasn't.  The difference this year is that they did include genre-films like Avatar and District 9 and not ST in the list of nominations despite having the room to include it.  And they even nominated Up.  Up is a great film, but it's already nominated in the animated category and I think everyone knows they're going to give it that one and honor another picture with the best film Oscar.  Essentially, by including Up in the nominations for Best Picture, they've prevented another worthy entry, like ST XI, from having a chance.  

Also, I think Abrams definitely deserves a nomination for best director and Orci and Kurtzmann for writers.  All three of them have had many accolades in those categories wrt ST these past few months.

I was listening on NPR about the technical Oscars, i.e. make-up, sound editing etc, and how these Oscars are often reward to worthy films as consolation prizes essentially, so I expect ST has a decent shot at getting one for make-up, sound, or something like that.  But that's a far cry, imo, for the cold-shoulder the academy gave the film, like it did The Dark Knight, imo.  It's not very fair at all.

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Report this Mar. 05 2010, 3:03 pm

Quote (Yanks @ Mar. 05 2010, 2:54 pm)
Quote (rocketscientist @ Mar. 05 2010, 2:47 pm)
Actually, in terms of pure creativity wrt story and casting, I think ST XI trumps Avatar. ?Avatar does, however, definitely have the spectacle going for it, no doubt about that.

I think that "spectical" is was made it's numbers so impressive.

Take that same movie and remove those awesome special effects and I think you have, what some might say, TMP.

A very very long movie.

As for the characters, Zoe was just so much better than the rest to me. She really should receive some sort of award for her work.

I have not seen it in 3-D yet though. Have you?

Yeah, I saw it in 3D Yanks.  You should check it out.

And yeah, I agree with you.  The spectacle with the application of the motion-capture technology, cgi, and 3D is what pushed Avatar into the Best Picture category.  It's really, imo, no better than Cameron's earlier works as far as story as well as other great sci-fi films.  

It's the technical elements of Avatar which really pushed it into that best picture category.  

It's definitely a tremendous achievement and I really liked the film, but I just don't think it's the best sci-fi film ever.  And, actually, I'm not sure it's Cameron's best either.

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Report this Mar. 05 2010, 4:25 pm

Quote (DammitJim6200 @ Mar. 05 2010, 10:21 am)
Quote (ServalanFan @ Mar. 04 2010, 1:27 am)
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Clearly Avatar is the new standard in sci-fi, we expect Star Trek to match or surpass those high standards.

While I liked Avatar, do you really think its the new standard in scifi? While it may have the standards in special effects do you think it is the best scifi movie ever made? I can think of lots better.

Yes...Avatar is the standard in which sci fi must be ..
The grand special effects which enhances the story..
The story itself is good and believable, innocent natives being remove from their land..A mean aggressive military will stop at nothing to remove them even kill them..
It's heartfelt with a love story as well, this is what sci fi should be..The 3-D was awesome, THE ACTION WAS FIRST RATE and very cool..After seeing Avatar one might say "What ?new ?Star Trek movie ??"..
We can all thank the brilliant James Cameron. :)

The problem with Avatar was that the story was particilly aimless.

You right...FX should inprove a movie....but they shouldnt be "THE" movie.

And with out the FX Avatar would have been nothing.

The story wasnt strong enough on its own.

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Report this Mar. 05 2010, 5:11 pm

Quote (Yanks @ Mar. 06 2010, 4:38 am)
Quote (DammitJim6200 @ Mar. 05 2010, 10:21 am)
Quote (ServalanFan @ Mar. 04 2010, 1:27 am)
Quote (DammitJim6200 @ Mar. 04 2010, 4:59 pm)

Clearly Avatar is the new standard in sci-fi, we expect Star Trek to match or surpass those high standards.

While I liked Avatar, do you really think its the new standard in scifi? While it may have the standards in special effects do you think it is the best scifi movie ever made? I can think of lots better.

Yes...Avatar is the standard in which sci fi must be ..
The grand special effects which enhances the story..
The story itself is good and believable, innocent natives being remove from their land..A mean aggressive military will stop at nothing to remove them even kill them..
It's heartfelt with a love story as well, this is what sci fi should be..The 3-D was awesome, THE ACTION WAS FIRST RATE and very cool..After seeing Avatar one might say "What ?new ?Star Trek movie ??"..
We can all thank the brilliant James Cameron. :)

The story was pretty lame DJ. Visually it was off the charts. Sigorny was average. thought Zoe was awesome.

I would still put STXI above it.

What Yanks said.

I found Avatar weak in a number of areas, not the least of which was just how wasted Sigourney Weaver was in this lacklustre role.

Visually stunning, but then so is a sunset, but that doesn't make for a story.

Personally I find the CGI in 'District 9' more impressive.

Avatar is an okay film, that's it.

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Report this Mar. 05 2010, 6:17 pm

Quote (DammitJim6200 @ Mar. 03 2010, 7:20 pm)
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How many accounts does DammitJim have?

Go down where? Where does the movie have to go?> It's over, if you don't like the movie I think it's time to let it go an move along.

picard isn't DammitJim, though they do share a particular mindset...

:logical:

That is frightening!

Our numbers are growing Space Therapist, there are more people that rejects Abrams' Idiot-fest than you know..
Until....Paramount get off their lazy rumps and get someone to do Star Trek right, we'll always have this problem.

:laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:


Sure they are... And when those numbers reach 10, what then?

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Report this Mar. 05 2010, 7:52 pm

Quote (VAD_BAXTER @ Mar. 05 2010, 4:03 am)
:logical:

bet he busted a nut when he read someone who agreed with him.

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Report this Mar. 06 2010, 12:55 pm

Quote:


Our numbers are growing Space Therapist, there are more people that rejects Abrams' Idiot-fest than you know..
Until....Paramount get off their lazy rumps and get someone to do Star Trek right, we'll always have this problem.

:laugh:

Kirk_vs_Kahn

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Report this Mar. 06 2010, 4:19 pm

You know, I hate the Resi Evil films. They are in no way loyal to the original game (the source) and are very poorly made. As an RE fan, i'm disgusted by those films and they don't deserve the name Resident Evil.

However, i am not going on some stupid crusade against the films. I am not putting anyone down for liking it. I accept people like these films and that they will continue to be made. I still have my games.

Now, the new Trek film is successful, people like it. Accept it and move on.

Blimey.

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Report this Mar. 07 2010, 4:12 pm

Quote (Captan_jean_luc_picard_1A @ Mar. 02 2010, 12:16 pm)
The Pole Question is: Do you think it should go down?

I hope nobody picks the last vote.

lol.

Looks like the Screw U vote wins

:laugh:

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Report this Mar. 20 2010, 11:08 am

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:eyesroll:



Pole question??

:logical:

Who's that???

I get the feeling that when you get your answer as to who that is your next google search will be "insert girls name" + porn

As far as on topic. I feel so bad for that guy so I voted a simple No. Too many screw you's might lead to depression and suicide.

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Report this Mar. 20 2010, 11:13 am

Quote (VAD_BAXTER @ Mar. 03 2010, 10:48 pm)

How the heck did that girl get in that scene Vice? You didn't do that did you?

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