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Report this Apr. 19 2010, 11:58 am

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Report this Apr. 19 2010, 3:03 pm

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wrong, when it redshift, it still travel at C... Red light travel no slower than blue light, the only different is energy!!!!
Simple high school physics.. Guest that you were home school...  


No the photon loses energy and is therefore traveling at a slower speed than the speed of light. If the photon wasn't traveling at a lower speed than light speed then gravity would not affect it as gravity affects the photon at the event horizon of a black hole. This can be proven simply by filling up a mini-van full of gas and driving head long into a wind bank (a wind bank is a wall of wind that is slightly less than a level one tornado). Even though the van is going at 75 mph through the wall the van will slow down based upon the force of resistance of the wind against the van which will cause the van to use more fuel (loss of energy) until the van runs out of gas. The same process is true with gravity and the photon. When gravity and the photon are at an equal equilibriated state, meaning the gravity is affecting the photon's wavelength in such a manner that the photon's wavelength is vibrating against the gravity wavelength to create the photon's ligth speed. To little gravity and the wavelength does not vibrate as fast thus causing the photon to redshift against the gravity wavelength at a slower velocity. To much gravity and the photon's wavelength will oscillate out of the normal frequency resulting in a photonic sinusoidal wavelength that is drawn out to a non wavelength which does not vibrate and causes the photon to travel slower than the speed of light and eventually vanish.

An no Lancer Omega I was not home schooled nor do I profess myself as being a nucear engineer to which you have repeatedly said that you are without providing any proof what-so-ever to back your claims up. Before you berate someone you should look at yourself and your own inadequecies of not being a very intelligent person as your sentence structure has shown many times over. Or perhaps you are still playing quantum leap in your mind where you think that just because you read about what a person has done in the past that you are somehow that person. You do have very bad personality disorder Lancer.

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Report this Apr. 19 2010, 4:44 pm

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wrong, when it redshift, it still travel at C... Red light travel no slower than blue light, the only different is energy!!!!
Simple high school physics.. Guest that you were home school... ¿


No the photon loses energy and is therefore traveling at a slower speed than the speed of light. If the photon wasn't traveling at a lower speed than light speed then gravity would not affect it as gravity affects the photon at the event horizon of a black hole. This can be proven simply by filling up a mini-van full of gas and driving head long into a wind bank (a wind bank is a wall of wind that is slightly less than a level one tornado). Even though the van is going at 75 mph through the wall the van will slow down based upon the force of resistance of the wind against the van which will cause the van to use more fuel (loss of energy) until the van runs out of gas. The same process is true with gravity and the photon. When gravity and the photon are at an equal equilibriated state, meaning the gravity is affecting the photon's wavelength in such a manner that the photon's wavelength is vibrating against the gravity wavelength to create the photon's ligth speed. To little gravity and the wavelength does not vibrate as fast thus causing the photon to redshift against the gravity wavelength at a slower velocity. To much gravity and the photon's wavelength will oscillate out of the normal frequency resulting in a photonic sinusoidal wavelength that is drawn out to a non wavelength which does not vibrate and causes the photon to travel slower than the speed of light and eventually vanish.

An no Lancer Omega I was not home schooled nor do I profess myself as being a nucear engineer to which you have repeatedly said that you are without providing any proof what-so-ever to back your claims up. Before you berate someone you should look at yourself and your own inadequecies of not being a very intelligent person as your sentence structure has shown many times over. Or perhaps you are still playing quantum leap in your mind where you think that just because you read about what a person has done in the past that you are somehow that person. You do have very bad personality disorder Lancer.

prove it, show me anywhere that scientist has found in a vacuum that redlight is slower than blue.

another formula for energy show this,

E=h Freq /c.  lose of energy, means freq decease, since wavelength is = 1/F, the wavelength increases, so redshift only effects frequency and energy and never change speed as C  is the speed of light and it is a constant...


Again High school physics..

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Report this Apr. 19 2010, 6:16 pm

Lanceryou have discredited yourself by posting what you said was proof of a time traveler in the historical time travel is an impossibility thread. Nothing that you say should be regarded as anything less than incoherent and not even close to being accurate.

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Report this Apr. 19 2010, 6:22 pm

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prove it, show me anywhere that scientist has found in a vacuum that redlight is slower than blue.

another formula for energy show this,

E=h Freq /c.  lose of energy, means freq decease, since wavelength is = 1/F, the wavelength increases, so redshift only effects frequency and energy and never change speed as C  is the speed of light and it is a constant...


Again High school physics..


No the speed of light is not a constant. The only constant in the Universe is that the Universe is a vacuum and that gravity is the constant that creates light speed.

So the constant read as follows: Photon's will always travel at the speed of light in a vacuum where gravity is present and causes an equal reaction upon the photon to keep it stable at the speed of light. The photon will lose energy and not travel at the speed of light when traveling outside of the gravitational vacuum or when the photon encounters a stronger gravitational field in a vacuum the more energy the photon will lose relative to the same manner that the photon loses energy when it is outside of a gravitational vacuum.

The only constant in the Universe is that space is a  gravitational vacuum in which light speed is created by the interaction between the photon's wavelength and the gravities wavelength.

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Report this Apr. 20 2010, 4:12 pm

Quote (dryson @ April 18 2010, 7:16 pm)
Lanceryou have discredited yourself by posting what you said was proof of a time traveler in the historical time travel is an impossibility thread. Nothing that you say should be regarded as anything less than incoherent and not even close to being accurate.

discredit myself? my time traveller photo is more real than any thing you ever have posted. Your ignore scientific data, proven fact and major theories that at the heart of our present day technology!!!

Speed of light in a vacuum, is at the heart of particle physics, if it wasn't all particle Accelerators would not even function, as the fact that time dilation, increase particle mass are all taken into the engineering of the accelerator.

You yield terms such as wavelength without understanding the basic formula, and attempt to mold them into a weird new age theory of Gravity, while denying the basic fact that GR and the SR have both been proven to the limit of our abilities to measure.Do you even under stand the concept of experimental proof!!!!!

Trying to deflect this fact with my time traveller post is laughable, especially in the light that at least i working with a evident in form of the photo.. My interpration of the photo, is base on something we can all see, your posting here, doesnot even come close to representing what we can all see in the lab.. And what is supported by billions of dollars of research.

I am willing to stair out on a limb, in you case you have already fallen off the mountain... :laugh:

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Report this Apr. 21 2010, 10:39 pm

The only expiremental proof that you have shown is from the past in which you are most likely trying to condition people to believe so that the theory of time travel will seem to be real when it is not.

The speed of light in a vacuum is not a constant but a direct result of gravity effecting the wavelength of the light photon to create the photons travel at the speed of light. If gravity was not present then there would not be any speed of light because there would not be any gravity present to affect the photon's wavelength that creates the speed of light.

If a photon redshifts because of being in a lesser gravitational field then gravity is what affects the photons wavelength of causing it to lose energy.

If a photon sinusoidals because of being in a higher gravitational field then gravity is what affects the photons wavelength of causing it to lose energy and disappear.

In both cases the photon LOSES energy which means that  the photons wavelength and the gravities wavelength are not functioning at the same vibratory rate of frequency either as result of the gravity being to weak or to strong to attenuate the photons frequency in order to create the speed of light.

If there is no gravity then there is not frequency shift of the photon to travel at the speed of light and the particle that is actually a photon but not a light speed photon could be classified as either being space itself or dark matter.

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Report this Apr. 22 2010, 4:04 pm

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The only expiremental proof that you have shown is from the past in which you are most likely trying to condition people to believe so that the theory of time travel will seem to be real when it is not.

The speed of light in a vacuum is not a constant but a direct result of gravity effecting the wavelength of the light photon to create the photons travel at the speed of light. If gravity was not present then there would not be any speed of light because there would not be any gravity present to affect the photon's wavelength that creates the speed of light.

If a photon redshifts because of being in a lesser gravitational field then gravity is what affects the photons wavelength of causing it to lose energy.

If a photon sinusoidals because of being in a higher gravitational field then gravity is what affects the photons wavelength of causing it to lose energy and disappear.

In both cases the photon LOSES energy which means that ¿the photons wavelength and the gravities wavelength are not functioning at the same vibratory rate of frequency either as result of the gravity being to weak or to strong to attenuate the photons frequency in order to create the speed of light.

If there is no gravity then there is not frequency shift of the photon to travel at the speed of light and the particle that is actually a photon but not a light speed photon could be classified as either being space itself or dark matter.

Actually i have, here a link to the quantum eraser experiment

delayed choice quantum eraser

Delayer choice Quantum eraser experiment

note the passage

"observing the signal photons alone, which would open up the possibility of gaining information faster-than-light (since one might deduce this information before there had been time for a message moving at the speed of light to travel from the idler detector to the signal photon detector) or even gaining information about the future (since as noted above, the signal photons may be detected at an earlier time than the idlers), both of which would qualify as violations of causality in physics."

basically this means violation of cause and effect, the main agrument against time travel.

As for the rest of your agrument, the speed of light being constant in a vacuum, has been proven more time than i care to mention, but we could start with the famous Michaelson-Morley" experiment, and go thru the vast array of similar experiments, each refining the margin of error to 1 part in 2 million.
Because of this my earlier explanation stand. We have gone over this numerous time and the only agrument that you stand on is that you some how know more than thousands of scientists that have work to create the major standard theories of our present era, Quantum Mechanics and Relativity.

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Report this Apr. 22 2010, 9:54 pm

The speed of light in a gravitated vacuum where gravity will effect the photon's wavelength in such a way that the energy emitted is equal the amount of gravity that is pulling against it.

If there is less gravity present then the photon's wavelength will not vibrate fast enough and it loses energy. To much gravitational force and the photons wavelength vibrates too fast causing the photon to transform into a sinusoidal wavelength and dies out.

If you have a plastic man on a string and you cause it to maintain a constant rate of motion the man will not fall off thus maintaining an equally equilibriated state between the force (gravity) and the object (the photon). Too little force and the plastic man falls off, two much force and the plastic man falls off.

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Report this Apr. 23 2010, 11:55 am

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The speed of light in a gravitated vacuum where gravity will effect the photon's wavelength in such a way that the energy emitted is equal the amount of gravity that is pulling against it.

If there is less gravity present then the photon's wavelength will not vibrate fast enough and it loses energy. To much gravitational force and the photons wavelength vibrates too fast causing the photon to transform into a sinusoidal wavelength and dies out.

If you have a plastic man on a string and you cause it to maintain a constant rate of motion the man will not fall off thus maintaining an equally equilibriated state between the force (gravity) and the object (the photon). Too little force and the plastic man falls off, two much force and the plastic man falls off.

you fail to address the tons of experiment that differ with your concept of how light and gravity interacts!!

There is an entire branch of Astronomy that uses General Relativity and Special Relativity to explore the universe, Events such as Gravity lens had allow to determine the present of structure such as brown dwarfs, Binary Pulsars and even date entire Galactic Clusters.

As it stand, all purpose theories of Gravity ( even your own) have fail to stand up to the ton of experiments that prove General Relativity to be correct to our abilities to measure it.

The speed of light in a vacuum is not effect by gravity, we have tested it, on earth and via satellites, and thru observations of objects such as pulsars..

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Report this Apr. 25 2010, 11:23 pm

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The speed of light in a vacuum is not effect by gravity, we have tested it, on earth and via satellites, and thru observations of objects such as pulsars..


If the speed of light is not effected by gravity then a photon would be able to pass by the singularity of a black hole without losing energy but the photon does. It loses energy because of the suddent increase of photonic mass that the particles of the photon absorb. When to little gravity is present for the photon's particle to absorb the photon loses energy. So gravity does affect the photon.

You contradict yourself so many time Lancer. You say that gravity does not effect a light photon but you profess that gravity is what warps space-time of which a light photon is part of.

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Report this Apr. 26 2010, 4:53 pm

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The speed of light in a vacuum is not effect by gravity, we have tested it, on earth and via satellites, and thru observations of objects such as pulsars..


If the speed of light is not effected by gravity then a photon would be able to pass by the singularity of a black hole without losing energy but the photon does. It loses energy because of the suddent increase of photonic mass that the particles of the photon absorb. When to little gravity is present for the photon's particle to absorb the photon loses energy. So gravity does affect the photon.

You contradict yourself so many time Lancer. You say that gravity does not effect a light photon but you profess that gravity is what warps space-time of which a light photon is part of.

the speed of light is not effect, but the escape velocity is greater than C, the warpage of space is such it can  never find a way out..

It loses energy because to leave the inertia frame create by the Blackhole, require energy to be expended, just like energy is needed to climb a hill.

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