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Feb. 24 2010, 9:10 pm
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Feb. 24 2010, 10:38 pm
| Quote (Yanks @ Feb. 24 2010, 10:17 pm) | | Quote (whyaduck @ Feb. 24 2010, 8:17 pm) | | Quote (Yanks @ Feb. 24 2010, 7:00 pm) | | Quote (trekbuff @ Feb. 24 2010, 6:40 pm) | | Quote (Yanks @ Feb. 24 2010, 6:31 pm) | | Quote (whyaduck @ Feb. 24 2010, 4:46 pm) | I'm on disc two of TNG season 7. I never got into DS9, but I think after a break when I finish TNG, I'll give it another shot. Maybe I'll like it more this time around. I've really enjoyed watching TNG again after many years. In the middle, I watched all of B5 and also Firefly (both for the first time). Heavy duty sci-fi in the whyaduck house the past few months.  (I also watched Tron in preparation for the sequel.) |
You know I never saw Tron. I think my next series is going to be Lexx or Adromeda.
How far have you made it through DS9? I almost gave it back after season 1, but my bud talked me into sticking with it and I'm glad he did. |
*Like, puts on Jeff Spicoli hat*
Like, dang, dude! You gotta see Tron...
No brainer... |
Looky what I found.
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I didn't know Boxleitner and Bridges were in it.  |
Also Peter Jurasik from B5 (Londo Mollari). |
Oh wow! I didn't notice. My favorite character in BAB5.
Now I'm really going to get it!! |
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Feb. 24 2010, 11:04 pm
| Quote (Yanks @ Feb. 24 2010, 10:51 pm) | | ^^ He's a great actor. Did you know that that accent is all faked in BAB5? |
Yes I did. I think he talked about the accent in the special features on the DVD. Speaking of special features, there are some really interesting things on the Tron spec. feat. including how they created the neon effects (backlit animation), how he came up with the concept of Tron, as well as other stuff. The 20th anniversary DVDs are definitely worth the money. BTW, the actors didn't understand what the heck was going on. To bring it back to S4 of Enterprise, though I didn't care that much for the Augment arc, I did like Brent Spiner. |
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Feb. 25 2010, 12:11 am
Since we've smilingly gone off topic, I discovered really cool last week while doing research for school. We're getting closer and closer to trek tech everyday. Scientists have invented a device that they liken to a tricorder. This was apparently made back in '07, so I'm sure some of you know about it - but I was blown away! http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/02/070227104038.htmThis may be more suited to the technology thread, but the ENT threads seem to cover more ground at times than any of the others. And it's quite simply the most fun. Hope you enjoy it. |
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Feb. 25 2010, 7:25 am
| Quote (lostshaker @ Feb. 25 2010, 12:11 am) | | but the ENT threads seem to cover more ground at times than any of the others. And it's quite simply the most fun. |
WOW! I'm gonna take that as a nice compliment of the "work" we do on this Forum. Bakatcha, lostshaker--didn't I say this before: you don't chime in as often or as loud, but when you do, people lean in close and listen! |
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Feb. 25 2010, 9:16 am
As we're so off topic, anyone here familiar with Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog?
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Feb. 25 2010, 12:15 pm
| Quote (starbase63 @ Feb. 25 2010, 12:04 pm) | | Quote (kludge77 @ Feb. 24 2010, 4:29 pm) |
None taken thats what the word means....
I just think some fans want to like it so bad they pretend it's good. To me, it's just a poorly made movie. But hey, it was all you had, so at the time I'm sure it was good enough. But now with all the others out, how can you even rate it high, unless it's solely from an emotional standpoint?
We are emotional begins but to me the praising of TMP for anything other than the launching pad for it's better made counterparts is highly illogical!  |
How can I rate it high?
Because after you see the true finished version, you find a story that's very true to Star Trek's roots.
I'm sorry you can't seem to recognize that.
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I have to agree with kludge. I think he worded it quite well. Ones may like it for what it was, the first Star Trek in years, the rebirth of the Star Trek, and the foundation of all Star Trek to come, but it itself just isn't that great, especially compared to TWOK, TVH, TUC, FC, and almost everything but TFF |
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Feb. 25 2010, 12:17 pm
| Quote (Yanks @ Feb. 25 2010, 12:10 pm) | | My anticpation for STXI was cautioned. I was more worried about it tanking than anything else. |
That's funny, because I felt exactly the same way. When I first heard about it, I hated the idea. I thought it was going to do horrible and be a flop, etc. But as soon as the first trailer came out, it looked amazing, and my attitude totally changed about it. |
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Feb. 25 2010, 12:50 pm
| Quote (ViperMan2000 @ Feb. 25 2010, 12:15 pm) | | Quote (starbase63 @ Feb. 25 2010, 12:04 pm) | | Quote (kludge77 @ Feb. 24 2010, 4:29 pm) |
None taken thats what the word means....
I just think some fans want to like it so bad they pretend it's good. To me, it's just a poorly made movie. But hey, it was all you had, so at the time I'm sure it was good enough. But now with all the others out, how can you even rate it high, unless it's solely from an emotional standpoint?
We are emotional begins but to me the praising of TMP for anything other than the launching pad for it's better made counterparts is highly illogical! |
How can I rate it high?
Because after you see the true finished version, you find a story that's very true to Star Trek's roots.
I'm sorry you can't seem to recognize that.
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I have to agree with kludge. I think he worded it quite well. Ones may like it for what it was, the first Star Trek in years, the rebirth of the Star Trek, and the foundation of all Star Trek to come, but it itself just isn't that great, especially compared to TWOK, TVH, TUC, FC, and almost everything but TFF |
But that doesn't explain those of us who like it and weren't born at the time of TMP's release. Such factors as rebirth do not apply. I believe TMP and TVH to be the best examples of Star Trek because of the themes and fundamentals expressed within those films. The emphasis on Starfleet was exploration rather than militarization. There was no villain, just misunderstandings. I've got a friend who watched Abrams' movie, had seen bits of TNG very erratically, and wanted to know more. I let him borrow TMP (as a great example of Star Trek) and FC (to give an overall picture) to watch. He thought TMP to be amazing. |
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Feb. 25 2010, 3:01 pm
| Quote (lostshaker @ Feb. 24 2010, 9:50 pm) | | Quote (ViperMan2000 @ Feb. 25 2010, 12:15 pm) | | Quote (starbase63 @ Feb. 25 2010, 12:04 pm) | | Quote (kludge77 @ Feb. 24 2010, 4:29 pm) |
None taken thats what the word means....
I just think some fans want to like it so bad they pretend it's good. To me, it's just a poorly made movie. But hey, it was all you had, so at the time I'm sure it was good enough. But now with all the others out, how can you even rate it high, unless it's solely from an emotional standpoint?
We are emotional begins but to me the praising of TMP for anything other than the launching pad for it's better made counterparts is highly illogical! |
How can I rate it high?
Because after you see the true finished version, you find a story that's very true to Star Trek's roots.
I'm sorry you can't seem to recognize that.
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I have to agree with kludge. I think he worded it quite well. Ones may like it for what it was, the first Star Trek in years, the rebirth of the Star Trek, and the foundation of all Star Trek to come, but it itself just isn't that great, especially compared to TWOK, TVH, TUC, FC, and almost everything but TFF |
But that doesn't explain those of us who like it and weren't born at the time of TMP's release. Such factors as rebirth do not apply. I believe TMP and TVH to be the best examples of Star Trek because of the themes and fundamentals expressed within those films. The emphasis on Starfleet was exploration rather than militarization. There was no villain, just misunderstandings.
I've got a friend who watched Abrams' movie, had seen bits of TNG very erratically, and wanted to know more. I let him borrow TMP (as a great example of Star Trek) and FC (to give an overall picture) to watch. He thought TMP to be amazing. |
I certainly don't want to diminish your experience. Sorry about that. I'm just surprised that you find it enjoyable. Honestly it's hard for me to sit through the whole thing some times. That said, to each his/her own. I certainly don't want to appear like a ST fascist! |
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Feb. 25 2010, 3:35 pm
It was great seeing the crew after all those years of missing them, but on the whole the movie was ultimately disappointing and isn't anywhere near as good as most of those that followed it.
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Feb. 25 2010, 3:45 pm
| Quote (kludge77 @ Feb. 25 2010, 3:01 pm) | I certainly don't want to diminish your experience. Sorry about that.
I'm just surprised that you find it enjoyable. Honestly it's hard for me to sit through the whole thing some times. That said, to each his/her own.
I certainly don't want to appear like a ST fascist! |
No problems, Kludge, you didn't come off as a ST fascist. We all have varying opinions on the different movies and that's a good thing. |
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Feb. 26 2010, 1:18 am
| Quote (sonofspock1 @ Feb. 23 2010, 6:43 pm) | | Quote (kludge77 @ Feb. 23 2010, 12:01 am) | The unexpected. That is exactly was season 4 was really missing. Nothing was unexpected. (How could it be with it being a prequel show trying to make the last season consistent with the other time-lines.)
We knew some Klingons would be ridge less.
We knew the augments would fail
We knew the Federation would be formed. |
I uppose that is the problem with prequels. We know Anakin is going to become Darth Vader, We know the Federation will be formed in 2161...
But it's the journey that's the important bit. We all knew how Revenge of the Sith would end, but Order 66 is a powerful scequence. |
Problem is when ENT took the unexpected route in season 1 through 3 a lot of people complained and mistakenly said the show went against canon. I've always believed the problem with prequels lies between creators and fans. The fans take every piece of history mentioned and fashion stories from it, connecting the dots where and when possible. So it's up to creators to give an equally good or better interpretation. The problem is that creators, like G. Lucas, rewrite the back story to accommodate special effects and say well this new one is better so forget the old one. The dots are connected last minute and with sloppiness and it just doesn't feel right. ENT's 4th season showed what a prequel should be. It connected the dots in unexpected and surprising ways. A perfect example is "In A Mirror, Darkly". It was brilliant to connect "Mirror, Mirror" with "The Tholian Web". Ideally, it should have done that from that start, but all shows need time to find their ground. As for Order 66, the Emperor merely helped the Jedi get rid of a member that couldn't build a real lightsaber. The Jedi Council really needed a sticker on its temple banning purple glowsticks. |
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Feb. 26 2010, 2:55 am
| Quote (grigori @ Feb. 24 2010, 7:36 pm) | CHUCK likes Tron. Good enough for me...  |
I've been meaning to get around to watching TRON, because of Chuck. And I just finished the movie. All I can say is WOW!!!! Just... WOW!!!! Frakken awesome, brilliant. That's the perfect movie for Chuck's dad. The writers of Chuck have proved their brilliance once again. |
