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SpockJenkins30

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Report this Mar. 30 2010, 11:53 pm

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Oh,guys, I really like Nero. He fit my needs nicely. And so much saddness and anger that just ate him up. I could seeeee him suffering and could see from the very short time he was on screen everything I needed to simply set the stage for everything that followed. I have sometimes seen people just like him, who have been so emotionally damaged that they become what they think was done to them and act in kind. Twisted by hate, fear, anger, such a depth of hurt to become monsters of retribution.

I saw that editing of StarTrekXI led Nero to be a minor player, a catalyst so the rest of the movie could happen. I, personally, would enjoy a five hour dvd version that included all the cut parts that would make him a big part and player in the movie. That would be excellent for me! That said, I am still comfortable with the edit like it is, because, even that gave me Bana's portrayal of a damaged and twisted individual like many lost souls we meet in the news only after the monster they have become has been stopped.

I feel Nero's suffering, I can see his suffering... on screen. And his suffering haunts me. I wouldn't have minded more Nero to answer my wonderings about his path that made him "Nero", the catalyst for the movie. But I did not need more screen time to recognize what he had become. Just his face and the way he held himself gave me to know he was seething and had become a monster with a toy (his ship) that he could transform into a weapon to exact his revenge.

I can't always get what I want, but if I try sometimes, I find I get what I need. That's what I see with Nero. I can want more, but I got what I needed.

I can see what you are saying and I agree that Nero could be seen as an angry and suffering individual bent on revenge. ?I just think that one-track-mind set is boring and an easy and convenient way to paint the main villain's characteristics. ?

Watching a villain, especially the main one, act as if he is consumed by nothing but hate and revenge is extremely boring in my mind. ?It's kinda like watching a singer belt out the same note over and over or a musician play the same key. ?

Nero might as well have been named Darth Maul. There was nothing that made Nero standout as an individual and he severely lacked any semblance of an interesting personality.

Maybe if they added just one scene where he wasn't shaking with hatred I could see him as a plausible being.

I know what you mean SpockJenkins30.

I think his character was given more depth but those parts were sacrificed for the development of other characters. They also mention back story like the Klingon prison scenes were extracted because they confused the real villain for some viewers. This made Nero a one dimensional villain for some people.

I like to watch the deleted scenes and commentary along with the extra source material to learn of the Nero back story. I do not mean to keep mentioning this point but the movie was not the only thing which developed this character. I can agree though that for some they only care about what is in the movie and not the extra material.

To know that Nero was on a vow of silence during the beginning scenes and also in the Klingon prison camp is meaningful to me. This shows that he is so enraged by the Romulus destruction and traveling to the past that he kills Robau and screams furiously. From then on we know he was captured and remained silent for years in the prison camp while learning Romulan telepathy with his crew. When they finally escape he breaks his silence and says the wait is over.

There is more back story to but in short I can only say this villain is what you make of him. For some they believe he is one dimensional which is their conclusion but for me I see much more. Nero is like a symbol or archetype who can be deciphered by examining different clues. Like all things in Star Trek it prompts you to explore a path and learn more.

I see your point with Darth Maul but he is a true example of a one dimensional villain. He speaks only twice in his movie and is meant to be a "phantom" or mystery character. Since we do not know his motivations or what makes him interesting he has not depth. Nero has more depth in the movie but even more with the different comics and deleted scenes and commentary along with key scenes where he explains his motivation and interacts with other characters.

Good points.  The Darth Maul reference was more because he is just dead set on revenge and nothing else and that's how Nero came across to me in the movie.

I just bought Star Trek: Countdown and started to read it.  Already from the beginning Nero is seen as a competent mining ship captain who isn't just an angry romulan and is able to analyze various situations.  I like how they portray Nero already.  It's refreshing to see him as a more fleshed out character, I wish they would have given Nero more care in ST XI.  

If you watch the special features of ST XI, Eric Bana said the writers treated Nero's "villainy with a grain of salt".  I still think they could have swapped out one of those whiney pissed off Nero scenes and added something else for us to chew on to get a bead on this guy.  

Nero did have a couple scenes where he wasn't screaming the entire time but he never said anything of substance during these times to give us a clue as to what type of character he really is.  Saying that you're a "miner" and you "chose a life of honest labor to provide for your wife and child" narrows his personality type down to about 6 trillion inhabitants.

During the torture scene with Captain Pike, they could have at least had Nero say he hated humans or I've watched your federation do this or there was a time where I admired your starfleet...they could have given him just a few lines that would have done wonders for his character :(   Missed opportunities IMHO.

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Report this Mar. 31 2010, 1:32 am

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Oh,guys, I really like Nero. He fit my needs nicely. And so much saddness and anger that just ate him up. I could seeeee him suffering and could see from the very short time he was on screen everything I needed to simply set the stage for everything that followed. I have sometimes seen people just like him, who have been so emotionally damaged that they become what they think was done to them and act in kind. Twisted by hate, fear, anger, such a depth of hurt to become monsters of retribution.

I saw that editing of StarTrekXI led Nero to be a minor player, a catalyst so the rest of the movie could happen. I, personally, would enjoy a five hour dvd version that included all the cut parts that would make him a big part and player in the movie. That would be excellent for me! That said, I am still comfortable with the edit like it is, because, even that gave me Bana's portrayal of a damaged and twisted individual like many lost souls we meet in the news only after the monster they have become has been stopped.

I feel Nero's suffering, I can see his suffering... on screen. And his suffering haunts me. I wouldn't have minded more Nero to answer my wonderings about his path that made him "Nero", the catalyst for the movie. But I did not need more screen time to recognize what he had become. Just his face and the way he held himself gave me to know he was seething and had become a monster with a toy (his ship) that he could transform into a weapon to exact his revenge.

I can't always get what I want, but if I try sometimes, I find I get what I need. That's what I see with Nero. I can want more, but I got what I needed.

I can see what you are saying and I agree that Nero could be seen as an angry and suffering individual bent on revenge. ?I just think that one-track-mind set is boring and an easy and convenient way to paint the main villain's characteristics. ?

Watching a villain, especially the main one, act as if he is consumed by nothing but hate and revenge is extremely boring in my mind. ?It's kinda like watching a singer belt out the same note over and over or a musician play the same key. ?

Nero might as well have been named Darth Maul. There was nothing that made Nero standout as an individual and he severely lacked any semblance of an interesting personality.

Maybe if they added just one scene where he wasn't shaking with hatred I could see him as a plausible being.

I know what you mean SpockJenkins30.

I think his character was given more depth but those parts were sacrificed for the development of other characters. They also mention back story like the Klingon prison scenes were extracted because they confused the real villain for some viewers. This made Nero a one dimensional villain for some people.

I like to watch the deleted scenes and commentary along with the extra source material to learn of the Nero back story. I do not mean to keep mentioning this point but the movie was not the only thing which developed this character. I can agree though that for some they only care about what is in the movie and not the extra material.

To know that Nero was on a vow of silence during the beginning scenes and also in the Klingon prison camp is meaningful to me. This shows that he is so enraged by the Romulus destruction and traveling to the past that he kills Robau and screams furiously. From then on we know he was captured and remained silent for years in the prison camp while learning Romulan telepathy with his crew. When they finally escape he breaks his silence and says the wait is over.

There is more back story to but in short I can only say this villain is what you make of him. For some they believe he is one dimensional which is their conclusion but for me I see much more. Nero is like a symbol or archetype who can be deciphered by examining different clues. Like all things in Star Trek it prompts you to explore a path and learn more.

I see your point with Darth Maul but he is a true example of a one dimensional villain. He speaks only twice in his movie and is meant to be a "phantom" or mystery character. Since we do not know his motivations or what makes him interesting he has not depth. Nero has more depth in the movie but even more with the different comics and deleted scenes and commentary along with key scenes where he explains his motivation and interacts with other characters.

Good points. ?The Darth Maul reference was more because he is just dead set on revenge and nothing else and that's how Nero came across to me in the movie.

I just bought Star Trek: Countdown and started to read it. ?Already from the beginning Nero is seen as a competent mining ship captain who isn't just an angry romulan and is able to analyze various situations. ?I like how they portray Nero already. ?It's refreshing to see him as a more fleshed out character, I wish they would have given Nero more care in ST XI. ?

If you watch the special features of ST XI, Eric Bana said the writers treated Nero's "villainy with a grain of salt". ?I still think they could have swapped out one of those whiney pissed off Nero scenes and added something else for us to chew on to get a bead on this guy. ?

Nero did have a couple scenes where he wasn't screaming the entire time but he never said anything of substance during these times to give us a clue as to what type of character he really is. ?Saying that you're a "miner" and you "chose a life of honest labor to provide for your wife and child" narrows his personality type down to about 6 trillion inhabitants.

During the torture scene with Captain Pike, they could have at least had Nero say he hated humans or I've watched your federation do this or there was a time where I admired your starfleet...they could have given him just a few lines that would have done wonders for his character :( ? Missed opportunities IMHO.

Yes I know what you mean and I can agree it would improve the character on screen. The scene with Pike is my favorite Nero scene because it does explain his motivations. He seems more reckless and crazy here because Pike disproves his logic by saying Romulus is not destroyed. Nero knows this and argues that he wants a Romulus free of the Federation. At this point Pike does not listen and I feel the viewers do not remember this line.

Some believe it is not clear why Nero is so angry with the Federation but with clues from the movie and the comics and the deleted scenes I can only say it is because the miscalculation by Spock and because the Kelvin crippled the Narada allowing it to be captured for many years in a Klingon prison camp. Some people who saw this movie did not even realize the Klingon prison camp was explained two times in the movie without the deleted scenes.

I can see why people wish for a more developed villain but I also believe some people sell him short. I am not here to argue or prove any point but I do believe he was suitable for this story and movie and there was even more back story given in else where. The first movie is over now and they did an acceptable job. I am interested to see who will be the next villain because a sequel must be bigger and better and they mentioned a more meaningful crew experience for the next story. I am ready for the next adventure!

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Report this Apr. 23 2010, 7:29 am

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What do you think of Nero as a villain character?

Good actor. The personage could have been written/characterized much better.

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Report this May. 20 2010, 3:04 am

Soooo ... seriously, my favorite villian is the Borg Queen ... but ... after seeing the movie ... I googled Nero ... no one else LOL

Nero from the deleted scenes ... if you've seen it, you know the one ... good thing they left that scene out of the movie ... I woulda broke my remote returning to that chapter over and over again ...

I am not a huge fan of the actor but the villian was pretty good for as under-used as he was! They really had the seed of something great there but I think they glossed over the villian in favor of cramming as much of the original cast development in as they could ... low on distractions ... and Nero shirtless ... HUGE DISTRACTION! He put the cast to shame ... thou Karl Urban might give him a run for his money. ¿
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Sad that they cut the villian scenes short ... they coulda made a 3 hour movie easily and expanded a bit on him since he won't be making a return appearance in the next movie!!

I thought the movie was lacking at times and I think its because they deleted an integral scene!!! LOL I was like what happened to Nero for 25 years ... he just sat on his ship outside the wormhole waiting for Spock? LMBO! The Kelvin crash created no damage? Why wasn't Nero out wreaking havoc? Well deleted scenes filled that and a few other holes! ¿

I love the new cast, they did a great job of starting something new from something old ... I would watch it over and over and can't wait for the next movie.

BUT yeah ... totallly fluff question ... you prolly guessed it was coming ... if there isn't a poster/still of that shirtless Nero pose from the deleted scenes ... THERE SHOULD BE! LOL Sooo ... anyone know if it exists? ¿¿

OH and another set of villians that got kicked to the Deleted Scenes ... Klingons ... In the extras they comment that they loved the look of the Klingons and I was like ... are you on CRACK?!! They were like pathetic pack animals not warriors! Their costumes looked cheaply put together ... just give em a hat and you won't need an expensive make-up artist and special effect make-up? I was completely disappointed in them!

They could reallly have improved the movie by adding and expanding on those two deleted klingon/nero scenes!! I never saw Klingons as a species that would hide behind a mask. And I LOVE Victor Garbor but he was not a good choice for the prison guard interrogating Nero ... he felt more like a Genral or Chancellor ... too soft spoken ... I would have expected the interrogator to be a huge raving bad arse ... and WHAT was with the dirty dorky Klingon chicklet teeth? I thought they filed their teeth LOL JJ Abrams' Klingons sucked! And sending 6 Klingons to get Nero... because as the commentary put it ... it made Nero look like a bad arse ... it felt SO out of character for a Klingon if you ask me! Now showing up armed to the teeth maybe ... but with 7 friends, nah. Wasn't that the Prison planet that Kirk and McCoy got sent to in Undiscovered Country? Wasn't it a frozen ice planet? OK I am sure THAT is prolly wrong and will get a response LOL while I love Star Trek, I will say up front that when it comes to Star Trek knowledge ... you all know more than I do!!

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Well I liked Nero and given more time and less core cast pandering ... I think they could have made him and his side-kick legendary. Actually I loved the core cast and wouldn't delete their scenes ... I WOULD have added at least 3 villian scenes ... they could have used Nero to better explain the altered time line ... the movie needed at least another 30 minutes. They also should have brought Scotty in earlier than the last 15 minutes of the movie LOL

Loved the movie ... loved the villian ... he deserved more screen time! So ... back to my original thought ... Shirtless Nero ... where can I get one

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