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Is there no canon in TOS?

theultimateguinan

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Report this Feb. 20 2010, 11:17 am

Given the 60s hair, poor effects and chinzy outfits - can we really consider TOS canon?

The films, fine, but I thinking looking back on it, it's obvious TOS is not canon.

Enterprise, now THAT'S canon.

MrsStarbuck

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Report this Feb. 20 2010, 11:22 am

:O

I really don't know how to answer this!

Without TOS, there would be no Enterprise! ;)

TrekFan1701E

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Report this Feb. 20 2010, 11:28 am

Yeh TOS started it all. Whatever onscreen is considered canon except for TOS: The Animated Series which I think CBS declared it wasn't canon and I think Roddenberry did also.

theultimateguinan

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Report this Feb. 20 2010, 11:36 am

Quote (TrekFan1701E @ Feb. 20 2010, 11:28 am)
Yeh TOS started it all. Whatever onscreen is considered canon except for TOS: The Animated Series which I think CBS declared it wasn't canon and I think Roddenberry did also.

I don't think that the Great Bird of the Galaxy considered TOS canon. lol

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Report this Feb. 20 2010, 12:21 pm

Quote (TheChronicOne @ Feb. 20 2010, 12:04 pm)
Quote (theultimateguinan @ Feb. 20 2010, 10:36 am)
Quote (TrekFan1701E @ Feb. 20 2010, 11:28 am)
Yeh TOS started it all. Whatever onscreen is considered canon except for TOS: The Animated Series which I think CBS declared it wasn't canon and I think Roddenberry did also.

I don't think that the Great Bird of the Galaxy considered TOS canon. lol

:laugh: ¿:laugh: ¿:laugh: ¿:laugh: ¿:laugh:

You're a riot! I like you!

Thanks TC1.

So we've put an end to this stupid TOS canon discussion?

It's obviously NOT canon.

theultimateguinan

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Report this Feb. 20 2010, 12:30 pm

Quote (VAD_BAXTER @ Feb. 20 2010, 12:28 pm)
Quote (theultimateguinan @ Feb. 20 2010, 8:17 am)
Given the 60s hair, poor effects and chinzy outfits - can we really consider TOS canon?

The films, fine, but I thinking looking back on it, it's obvious TOS is not canon.

Enterprise, now THAT'S canon.

Enterprise needs to be shot out of a cannon! ¿:laugh: ¿:laugh:

Without Enterprise, there is NO FEDERATION! Think about it.

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Report this Feb. 20 2010, 12:47 pm

Don't Feed the Trolls.

:logical:

TrekFan1701E

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Report this Feb. 20 2010, 1:45 pm

Some say First Contact changed the timeline. Maybe the NX-01 wasn't going to be called Enterprise until Cochran met the Enterprise E crew and saw the ship?

theultimateguinan

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Report this Feb. 20 2010, 1:54 pm

I guess you're right, TOS is canon.

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Report this Feb. 20 2010, 3:03 pm

Quote (theultimateguinan @ Feb. 20 2010, 11:17 am)
Given the 60s hair, poor effects and chinzy outfits - can we really consider TOS canon?

The films, fine, but I thinking looking back on it, it's obvious TOS is not canon.

Hawklord

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Report this Feb. 20 2010, 5:08 pm

They don't worry about canon.

I don't worry about it neither!

I makes my OWN canon!!

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Report this Feb. 20 2010, 5:11 pm



Flame on

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Report this Feb. 20 2010, 6:25 pm

Quote (VAD_BAXTER @ Feb. 21 2010, 7:14 am)
Quote (theultimateguinan @ Feb. 20 2010, 10:54 am)
I guess you're right, TOS is canon.

You guess? Heck almost everyone on here knows im right most of the time. ¿:logical:

Rarely wrong, and when wrong, in all the right ways  ;)  :kiss:

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Report this Feb. 20 2010, 6:59 pm

Seriously, people¿why such serious responses? It was either totally a troll alert from the get-go, or¿I'll put a little money on this one¿sarcasm.

And for the record¿Roddenberry did not consider TOS to be "canon". "Canon" is a funny word that I first heard used on these boards, but nothing was viewed from that angle during the years of formation and production of the series. Consistency, yes. Following established guidelines for the writing of scripts, yes. "Canon" was applied so many years later that it is clear it could only apply to, or be called to account for, later spin-offs. Not to Star Trek itself. No bloody TNG, DS9, VOY, or ENT.

Most of all, Roddenberry did not consider "TOS" to be "canon" because there was never a show with that name. "TOS", or "The Original Series" never appeared as either a title or subtitle on any series. Certainly not on Star Trek, which had no subtitle.

I do believe this odd designation is the source of most of the confusion about "canon" and Star Trek. It tends to put this unique creation into the same category as the spin-offs (which, whatever their diverse merits, were certainly blatantly cashing in on the popularity of a show which invented an entire future of space exploration, Earth history, and technology), giving the impression that all, including Star Trek, were manifestations of a core outline to which they needed to adhere. The others, yes. But Star Trek itself WAS the outline. IS the ultimate source for verification of canon.

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Report this Feb. 20 2010, 7:05 pm

Quote (alicestellaseries @ Feb. 21 2010, 8:59 am)
Seriously, people?why such serious responses? It was either totally a troll alert from the get-go, or?I'll put a little money on this one?sarcasm.

And for the record?Roddenberry did not consider TOS to be "canon". "Canon" is a funny word that I first heard used on these boards, but nothing was viewed from that angle during the years of formation and production of the series. Consistency, yes. Following established guidelines for the writing of scripts, yes. "Canon" was applied so many years later that it is clear it could only apply to, or be called to account for, later spin-offs. Not to Star Trek itself. No bloody TNG, DS9, VOY, or ENT.

Most of all, Roddenberry did not consider "TOS" to be "canon" because there was never a show with that name. "TOS", or "The Original Series" never appeared as either a title or subtitle on any series. Certainly not on Star Trek, which had no subtitle.

I do believe this odd designation is the source of most of the confusion about "canon" and Star Trek. It tends to put this unique creation into the same category as the spin-offs (which, whatever their diverse merits, were certainly blatantly cashing in on the popularity of a show which invented an entire future of space exploration, Earth history, and technology), giving the impression that all, including Star Trek, were manifestations of a core outline to which they needed to adhere. The others, yes. But Star Trek itself WAS the outline. IS the ultimate source for verification of canon.

Testify Sister!!!  :cool:

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