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Borg Discrepency

positronicmalfunction

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Report this Feb. 19 2010, 8:21 pm

In Star Trek: TNG during the 2nd season, the Enterprise is catapulted by Q to section J25 where they encounter a new technologically advanced species called the Borg.  Guinan knew who they were because they destroyed her world, but it comes across as the first time that the Federation encounters the Borg.  

In Voyager, Seven of Nine's parents are sent to study the Borg on stardate 32811 (episode is The Voyager Conspiracy).  That would be about 10 years, based on the star date, before the Enterprise encountered them.  

Do you all agree that this is a discrepency in the timeline or have I missed some information from the TNG episode that would make it appear that the Borg is already on record?

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Report this Feb. 19 2010, 9:16 pm

Quote (positronicmalfunction @ Feb. 19 2010, 8:21 pm)
In Star Trek: TNG during the 2nd season, the Enterprise is catapulted by Q to section J25 where they encounter a new technologically advanced species called the Borg. ¿Guinan knew who they were because they destroyed her world, but it comes across as the first time that the Federation encounters the Borg. ¿

In Voyager, Seven of Nine's parents are sent to study the Borg on stardate 32811 (episode is The Voyager Conspiracy). ¿That would be about 10 years, based on the star date, before the Enterprise encountered them. ¿

Do you all agree that this is a discrepency in the timeline or have I missed some information from the TNG episode that would make it appear that the Borg is already on record?

What it basicly boils down to is that there were some people in the Federation with a small amount of knowledge about the Borg but it wasnt public knowlidge before Picards encounter with them.

It seems your new to trek or the Borg so you may not know but Captain Archer and his Entrerprise had an encounter with the Borg as well.....over 100 years before Picard was even born.

kvlc

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Report this Feb. 19 2010, 9:38 pm

They've encountered the Borg for the first time multiple times because the Voyager writers didn't watch TNG and the Enterprise writers needed a ratings boost.

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Report this Feb. 20 2010, 10:13 am

Quote (kvlc @ Feb. 19 2010, 9:38 pm)
They've encountered the Borg for the first time multiple times because the Voyager writers didn't watch TNG and the Enterprise writers needed a ratings boost.

WTF are you talking about?  :whatthe:

voyager didn't encounter the borg for the first time. they knew about them b/c of the previous encounters that starfleet had with them. the first time we knew that voyager was approaching borg space (which we already knew originated in the DQ) was at the end of "blood fever."

as for enterprise? well, i don't know much about that first encounter except that apparently it was based on events that occurred in the movie "first contact."

theultimateguinan

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Report this Feb. 20 2010, 10:50 am

I think the Borg wiped out everyones memory using ninites.

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Report this Feb. 20 2010, 11:46 am

I think the problem is that we know when TNG encountered the Borg, and we also know when 7 of 9 was assimulated. ¿The only thing we can assume is that either the time line from TNG to 7's abduction is not strictly linear (like season 2 was the second year of Enterprise D's mission which unfortunatly I think is because many characters through out the series make references to their time on board Enterprise), or we have to assume that some information was found when the Borg went back in time during the events of first contact, or possibly in Enterprise during the episode, Redemption. ¿

Problem that I have with each of those theories though is that 7's Dad refers to them specifically as "The Borg." ¿Unless 7 of 9 is not remembering things correctly.  Unless that was written in 7's Dad's ships log (which we don't know for sure)How would he know what they were called. ¿We didn't learn what they were called until Guinan told Captain Picard.

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Report this Feb. 20 2010, 12:01 pm

Quote (positronicmalfunction @ Feb. 19 2010, 1:21 am)
In Star Trek: TNG during the 2nd season, the Enterprise is catapulted by Q to section J25 where they encounter a new technologically advanced species called the Borg. ¿Guinan knew who they were because they destroyed her world, but it comes across as the first time that the Federation encounters the Borg. ¿

In Voyager, Seven of Nine's parents are sent to study the Borg on stardate 32811 (episode is The Voyager Conspiracy). ¿That would be about 10 years, based on the star date, before the Enterprise encountered them. ¿

Do you all agree that this is a discrepency in the timeline or have I missed some information from the TNG episode that would make it appear that the Borg is already on record?

Watch First Contact then the Enterprise episode Regeneration for answers.  ;)

RedShirtGuyNumber1001

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Report this Feb. 20 2010, 12:12 pm

Neither one of those refer to 7's abduction though or how 7's father knew they were following the Borg.  Do you have information from the movies (not books) that suggest otherwise.

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Report this Feb. 20 2010, 12:16 pm

Quote (RedShirtGuyNumber1001 @ Feb. 19 2010, 5:12 pm)
Neither one of those refer to 7's abduction though or how 7's father knew they were following the Borg. ¿Do you have information from the movies (not books) that suggest otherwise.

I take it you've missed out on the many threads about the Borg timeline. It all comes down to speculation by the viewer, there's nothing concrete but we've come up with some pretty good ideas.

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Report this Feb. 20 2010, 12:18 pm

Quote (captbates @ Feb. 20 2010, 12:16 pm)
Quote (RedShirtGuyNumber1001 @ Feb. 19 2010, 5:12 pm)
Neither one of those refer to 7's abduction though or how 7's father knew they were following the Borg. ?Do you have information from the movies (not books) that suggest otherwise.

I take it you've missed out on the many threads about the Borg timeline. It all comes down to speculation by the viewer, there's nothing concrete but we've come up with some pretty good ideas.

Bates, we cant all read all the tens of thousands of threads on this site.

With only 1 new film every 3 or 4 years now, there is not lots of new canon content so new things to talk about will be rarer.

I am sick of old timers on this board getting heavy on newbies for repeating topics. Who cares? Not us. We want to talk about it again so back off or I'll SET PHASER TO ASS-KICKIN'

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Report this Feb. 20 2010, 12:22 pm

Quote (captbates @ Feb. 20 2010, 12:16 pm)
Quote (RedShirtGuyNumber1001 @ Feb. 19 2010, 5:12 pm)
Neither one of those refer to 7's abduction though or how 7's father knew they were following the Borg. ?Do you have information from the movies (not books) that suggest otherwise.

I take it you've missed out on the many threads about the Borg timeline. It all comes down to speculation by the viewer, there's nothing concrete but we've come up with some pretty good ideas.

yes but it isn't data it's just opinions.  It doesn't matter if there is no basis to prove your opinion.  That would be like saying Black Holes exist because I think I heard about one from that guy last year who was here and told me about it.

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Report this Feb. 20 2010, 12:30 pm

Well not really, we know that the Borg visited Earth in First Contact and we know that survivors were found in the ice in the episode "regeneration" we also know that the Hansen's encountered the Borg long before the Enterprise D.

So it may be speculation as to how it all happened, but it's
canon that it did. :logical:

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Report this Feb. 20 2010, 1:49 pm

Quote (RedShirtGuyNumber1001 @ Feb. 20 2010, 11:46 am)
We didn't learn what they were called until Guinan told Captain Picard.

Thats an assumption.....and not a safe one I might add.

Remember.....Guinan and over 40 more El-Aurians were saved by the Enterprise B.

Do you really think not one of them ever mentioned why they were refuges to anyone in the federation???

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Report this Feb. 20 2010, 2:23 pm

Do we know why they were refugees?  Was there any evidence to support they left there worlds after the borg destroyed it.  For all we know Soren could have already have been in the Nexus, and then was somehow beamed out of it.  When the Enterprise B saved the people on the ship, same thing with Guinan.

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Report this Feb. 20 2010, 2:30 pm

Quote (RedShirtGuyNumber1001 @ Feb. 20 2010, 2:23 pm)
Do we know why they were refugees?

Yes

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For all we know Soren could have already have been in the Nexus, and then was somehow beamed out of it. ¿When the Enterprise B saved the people on the ship, same thing with Guinan.


What do you mean "for all we know"???

Thats exactly what happened.

Soren and Guinan were 2 of the over 40 El-Aurian refugies being transported to earth abord the Lakule when it became trapped within the Nexus.

Scotty beamed them out.

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