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Galaxy Class ships in DS9 battles

Commander_Zelkar

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Report this Feb. 19 2010, 12:36 pm

Would it have given them more fire power in the middle of a battle?

Perhaps the saucer section would be too vulnerable on its own?

Thoughts?

TheDriver

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Report this Feb. 20 2010, 12:26 pm

Personally, I never quite cared for the idea of a "battle bridge."

To me, the saucer separation should only be used in emergency evacuation procedures.

My two cents anyway...

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Report this Feb. 20 2010, 12:30 pm

I think the seperation was a Roddenberry concept that was quickly abandoned.  Basically I think the idea behind it was to support the idea that citizens are now on starships, and that if a battle was needed the seperation could happen.  But there were just problems with it I think, and when Pillar started to run the show I think he abandoned the idea.

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Report this Feb. 20 2010, 1:28 pm

Quote (RedShirtGuyNumber1001 @ Feb. 19 2010, 5:30 pm)
I think the seperation was a Roddenberry concept that was quickly abandoned. ¿Basically I think the idea behind it was to support the idea that citizens are now on starships, and that if a battle was needed the seperation could happen. ¿But there were just problems with it I think, and when Pillar started to run the show I think he abandoned the idea.

Not sure if you know something we dont RS1, but the concept of saucer seperation has been around from TOS era all the way up to when we last saw the D in Generations. Sure it wasn't used very often during TNG but I can't see it  being abandoned altogether, in fact we saw it evolve in VOY "Message In A Bottle" with the Multi Vector Attack Mode used by the USS Prometheus.

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Report this Feb. 20 2010, 1:51 pm

Quote (captbates @ Feb. 20 2010, 1:28 pm)
Quote (RedShirtGuyNumber1001 @ Feb. 19 2010, 5:30 pm)
I think the seperation was a Roddenberry concept that was quickly abandoned. ?Basically I think the idea behind it was to support the idea that citizens are now on starships, and that if a battle was needed the seperation could happen. ?But there were just problems with it I think, and when Pillar started to run the show I think he abandoned the idea.

Not sure if you know something we dont RS1, but the concept of saucer seperation has been around from TOS era all the way up to when we last saw the D in Generations. Sure it wasn't used very often during TNG but I can't see it ¿being abandoned altogether, in fact we saw it evolve in VOY "Message In A Bottle" with the Multi Vector Attack Mode used by the USS Prometheus.

There were saucer seps in DS9 dominon battles - open your eyes in key battles, check the background - top left, maybe?

Potemkin?
Yorktown?
Middlehausen?

RedShirtGuyNumber1001

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Report this Feb. 20 2010, 2:25 pm

Quote (captbates @ Feb. 20 2010, 1:28 pm)
Quote (RedShirtGuyNumber1001 @ Feb. 19 2010, 5:30 pm)
I think the seperation was a Roddenberry concept that was quickly abandoned. ?Basically I think the idea behind it was to support the idea that citizens are now on starships, and that if a battle was needed the seperation could happen. ?But there were just problems with it I think, and when Pillar started to run the show I think he abandoned the idea.

Not sure if you know something we dont RS1, but the concept of saucer seperation has been around from TOS era all the way up to when we last saw the D in Generations. Sure it wasn't used very often during TNG but I can't see it ¿being abandoned altogether, in fact we saw it evolve in VOY "Message In A Bottle" with the Multi Vector Attack Mode used by the USS Prometheus.

Yes but I was referring to how specifically we did not see it much after the first season in TNG, not the entire concept.  Basically after season 1 we saw it in BOBW and that was it.  I often wondered also if the concept of civilians on a starship was also abandoned.

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Report this Feb. 20 2010, 3:45 pm

Quote (RedShirtGuyNumber1001 @ Feb. 19 2010, 7:25 pm)
Quote (captbates @ Feb. 20 2010, 1:28 pm)
Quote (RedShirtGuyNumber1001 @ Feb. 19 2010, 5:30 pm)
I think the seperation was a Roddenberry concept that was quickly abandoned. ?Basically I think the idea behind it was to support the idea that citizens are now on starships, and that if a battle was needed the seperation could happen. ?But there were just problems with it I think, and when Pillar started to run the show I think he abandoned the idea.

Not sure if you know something we dont RS1, but the concept of saucer seperation has been around from TOS era all the way up to when we last saw the D in Generations. Sure it wasn't used very often during TNG but I can't see it ?being abandoned altogether, in fact we saw it evolve in VOY "Message In A Bottle" with the Multi Vector Attack Mode used by the USS Prometheus.

Yes but I was referring to how specifically we did not see it much after the first season in TNG, not the entire concept. ¿Basically after season 1 we saw it in BOBW and that was it. ¿I often wondered also if the concept of civilians on a starship was also abandoned.

I would think we'll see families on Starships again, well some Starships on exploration missions but not in times of war.
There's the obvious pros and cons to having them onboard but from a writing point of view it opens up other avenues.


They probably decided it was too gimicky, and should only be used in emergencies, but I don't see it being phased out totally.

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Report this Feb. 22 2010, 3:11 am

It wouldn't have made sense to separate.  Saucer separation was to protect the civilian population on the saucer.  By the time of the Dominion war civilians were not on those starships - hence no reason to split the ship up.  You think before every battle they're gonna leave 50 or 60 saucers back home?

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Report this Feb. 22 2010, 3:57 am

Quote (theultimateguinan @ Feb. 20 2010, 1:51 pm)
There were saucer seps in DS9 dominon battles - open your eyes in key battles, check the background - top left, maybe?

Is that a fact????

Name an episode???

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Potemkin?
Yorktown?
Middlehausen?


What are you talking about????

Are you suggesting that those are the names of ships to have separated on DS9???

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Report this Feb. 22 2010, 4:14 am

Video evidence or it didn't happen. At the very least you can name the episode and scene. :logical:

theultimateguinan

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Report this Feb. 22 2010, 10:39 pm

Quote (stovokor2000 @ Feb. 22 2010, 3:57 am)
Quote (theultimateguinan @ Feb. 20 2010, 1:51 pm)
There were saucer seps in DS9 dominon battles - open your eyes in key battles, check the background - top left, maybe?

Is that a fact????

Name an episode???

Quote
Potemkin?
Yorktown?
Middlehausen?


What are you talking about????

Are you suggesting that those are the names of ships to have separated on DS9???

Um how about classic DS9 episodes like:

"It's only proper, ma'am"
"Take me down to the hurtsuitalabra."
"Playthings and pendulabras"
"On a whim, a wish and whippidy-woo." (only a glimpse top-right)

And the Potemkin, Yorktown and Middlehausen are lesser known Galaxy class ladies.

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Report this Feb. 23 2010, 3:50 am

Quote (theultimateguinan @ Feb. 22 2010, 10:39 pm)
Um how about classic DS9 episodes like:

"It's only proper, ma'am"
"Take me down to the hurtsuitalabra."
"Playthings and pendulabras"
"On a whim, a wish and whippidy-woo." (only a glimpse top-right)

And the Potemkin, Yorktown and Middlehausen are lesser known Galaxy class ladies.

um.....  well okay then...  wow - i'm convinced...

Commander_Zelkar

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Report this Feb. 23 2010, 9:28 am

> id="QUOTE"> border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (stovokor2000 @ Feb. 22 2010, 3:57 am)> id="QUOTE"> border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (theultimateguinan @ Feb. 20 2010, 1:51 pm)> id="QUOTE">There were saucer seps in DS9 dominon battles - open your eyes in key battles, check the background - top left, maybe?
border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (theultimateguinan @ Feb. 22 2010, 10:39 pm)

Is that a fact????

Name an episode???

:bugout:

stovokor2000

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Report this Feb. 23 2010, 6:01 pm

Quote (theultimateguinan @ Feb. 22 2010, 10:39 pm)
Um how about classic DS9 episodes like:

"It's only proper, ma'am"

No such DS9 episode is known to exsist.

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"Playthings and pendulabras"
"On a whim, a wish and whippidy-woo." (only a glimpse top-right)

They dont exsist either.

So it appares you dont know what your talking about.

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And the Potemkin, Yorktown and Middlehausen are lesser known Galaxy class ladies.


Not according to canon.

The last ship to carry the name The USS Potemkin (NCC-18253) was an Excelsior-class starship that served in the 24th century and was seen in the TNG episode "Legacy"

The last ship to carry the name USS Yorktown was mentioned in the TNG episodes "Frame of mind" and "All Good Things" and according to The Star Trek Encyclopedia states that this vessel was a  Zodiac-class starship, with the registry NCC-61137.

And there is no record in canon material of a USS Middlehausen.

So either provide proof of stop talking BS.

TheDriver

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Report this Feb. 24 2010, 5:59 pm

Not sure if UltimateGuinan is serious or joking (although I'm pretty sure he or she is having fun at our expense)...

But I really don't recall seeing any saucer separations on DS9. Ever.

Slightly off-topic, were any of you aware the Defiant has landing capabilities? According to the DS9 Technical Manual - written and produced by folks who worked on the series - the Defiant has landing gear and can set down on a planet or planetoid.

So I guess that's something else we never saw in the series.

Kinda wish we had. :cool:

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