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WilburWood

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Report this Feb. 21 2010, 8:11 am

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Hardwood, you are a revelation. There are depths to you that exceed even your trattoria's signature garbage plate... ;)

Hey, there's more to me than just sex, drugs and rock 'n roll, Schmiddy! :D

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Report this Feb. 21 2010, 9:31 am

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And I hated the Lincoln part. The others were purely two-dimensional also...and WHAT did we take away from this episode? Just Surak. There was no story at all.

No, buried deep in "The Savage Curtain" lies the germ of an interesting idea: What if you could meet your childhood hero, the person who most represented "good" to you, but when the two of you together faced a deadly situation, your hero's instincts and actions went counter to everything you believed was necessary to triumph?

Ah, you see, that's what I mean! In terms of actual time spent on the story, it's the scenes with Zarabeth that are brief. All of the rest of the stuff takes up the bulk of the episode. You have it the other way in your memory! Watch it, time it! As John said, I understand the emotional impact¿and regardless of how little time Zarabeth/Spock was given, it's still the most memorable part, so everyone expands it in memory, and whittles down the other stuff. I KNOW that the fans of this episode keep thinking that we have 5 minutes of Atoz, 5 minutes of Kirk, 5 minutes of ship stuff and credits, and 35 minutes of Spock/Zarabeth/McCoy! But it's not so.

Yes, the germ of an idea.....but that germ, failing proper development and expression, does not validate the episode.

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Report this Feb. 21 2010, 9:45 am

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And I hated the Lincoln part. The others were purely two-dimensional also...and WHAT did we take away from this episode? Just Surak. There was no story at all.

No, buried deep in "The Savage Curtain" lies the germ of an interesting idea: What if you could meet your childhood hero, the person who most represented "good" to you, but when the two of you together faced a deadly situation, your hero's instincts and actions went counter to everything you believed was necessary to triumph?

Ah, you see, that's what I mean! In terms of actual time spent on the story, it's the scenes with Zarabeth that are brief. All of the rest of the stuff takes up the bulk of the episode. You have it the other way in your memory! Watch it, time it! As John said, I understand the emotional impact?and regardless of how little time Zarabeth/Spock was given, it's still the most memorable part, so everyone expands it in memory, and whittles down the other stuff. I KNOW that the fans of this episode keep thinking that we have 5 minutes of Atoz, 5 minutes of Kirk, 5 minutes of ship stuff and credits, and 35 minutes of Spock/Zarabeth/McCoy! But it's not so.

Yes, the germ of an idea.....but that germ, failing proper development and expression, does not validate the episode.

The amount of time is, to me, irrelevant. The heart and soul of the ep is the Spock/Zarabeth tragedy. Always was, always will be.

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Report this Feb. 22 2010, 11:11 am

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And I hated the Lincoln part. The others were purely two-dimensional also...and WHAT did we take away from this episode? Just Surak. There was no story at all.

No, buried deep in "The Savage Curtain" lies the germ of an interesting idea: What if you could meet your childhood hero, the person who most represented "good" to you, but when the two of you together faced a deadly situation, your hero's instincts and actions went counter to everything you believed was necessary to triumph?

Ah, you see, that's what I mean! In terms of actual time spent on the story, it's the scenes with Zarabeth that are brief. All of the rest of the stuff takes up the bulk of the episode. You have it the other way in your memory! Watch it, time it! As John said, I understand the emotional impact?and regardless of how little time Zarabeth/Spock was given, it's still the most memorable part, so everyone expands it in memory, and whittles down the other stuff. I KNOW that the fans of this episode keep thinking that we have 5 minutes of Atoz, 5 minutes of Kirk, 5 minutes of ship stuff and credits, and 35 minutes of Spock/Zarabeth/McCoy! But it's not so.

Yes, the germ of an idea.....but that germ, failing proper development and expression, does not validate the episode.

The amount of time is, to me, irrelevant. The heart and soul of the ep is the Spock/Zarabeth tragedy. Always was, always will be.

Well spoke, and I agree WilburWood. It was heartbreaking for them and it is heartbreaking for me.

:cry:

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Report this Feb. 22 2010, 1:51 pm

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And I hated the Lincoln part. The others were purely two-dimensional also...and WHAT did we take away from this episode? Just Surak. There was no story at all.

No, buried deep in "The Savage Curtain" lies the germ of an interesting idea: What if you could meet your childhood hero, the person who most represented "good" to you, but when the two of you together faced a deadly situation, your hero's instincts and actions went counter to everything you believed was necessary to triumph?

Ah, you see, that's what I mean! In terms of actual time spent on the story, it's the scenes with Zarabeth that are brief. All of the rest of the stuff takes up the bulk of the episode. You have it the other way in your memory! Watch it, time it! As John said, I understand the emotional impact?and regardless of how little time Zarabeth/Spock was given, it's still the most memorable part, so everyone expands it in memory, and whittles down the other stuff. I KNOW that the fans of this episode keep thinking that we have 5 minutes of Atoz, 5 minutes of Kirk, 5 minutes of ship stuff and credits, and 35 minutes of Spock/Zarabeth/McCoy! But it's not so.

Yes, the germ of an idea.....but that germ, failing proper development and expression, does not validate the episode.

The amount of time is, to me, irrelevant. The heart and soul of the ep is the Spock/Zarabeth tragedy. Always was, always will be.

Well spoke, and I agree WilburWood. It was heartbreaking for them and it is heartbreaking for me.

:cry:

I've seen it HUNDREDS of times and their parting scene is STILL tough to watch. :(

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Report this Feb. 22 2010, 4:20 pm

Quote (WilburWood @ Feb. 23 2010, 3:51 am)
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And I hated the Lincoln part. The others were purely two-dimensional also...and WHAT did we take away from this episode? Just Surak. There was no story at all.

No, buried deep in "The Savage Curtain" lies the germ of an interesting idea: What if you could meet your childhood hero, the person who most represented "good" to you, but when the two of you together faced a deadly situation, your hero's instincts and actions went counter to everything you believed was necessary to triumph?

Ah, you see, that's what I mean! In terms of actual time spent on the story, it's the scenes with Zarabeth that are brief. All of the rest of the stuff takes up the bulk of the episode. You have it the other way in your memory! Watch it, time it! As John said, I understand the emotional impact?and regardless of how little time Zarabeth/Spock was given, it's still the most memorable part, so everyone expands it in memory, and whittles down the other stuff. I KNOW that the fans of this episode keep thinking that we have 5 minutes of Atoz, 5 minutes of Kirk, 5 minutes of ship stuff and credits, and 35 minutes of Spock/Zarabeth/McCoy! But it's not so.

Yes, the germ of an idea.....but that germ, failing proper development and expression, does not validate the episode.

The amount of time is, to me, irrelevant. The heart and soul of the ep is the Spock/Zarabeth tragedy. Always was, always will be.

Well spoke, and I agree WilburWood. It was heartbreaking for them and it is heartbreaking for me.

:cry:

I've seen it HUNDREDS of times and their parting scene is STILL tough to watch. :(

For me it's become harder to watch as the years go by. Hartley and Nimoy turn in brilliant performances.

Admiral_Jarok

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Report this Feb. 23 2010, 11:03 pm

i love all teh episodes
like a true star trek fan! ;)

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Report this Jan. 10 2011, 3:09 pm

Quote: Nyackjohn @ Feb. 19 2010, 3:49 pm

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Quote (WilburWood @ Feb. 16 2010, 2:54 pm) "Dagger of the Mind," "Mirror, Mirror," "Patterns of Force," "Day of the Dove," "Whom Gods Destroy," "The Cloud Minders" and "Plato's Stepchildren" also had torture scenes. >
And these were the first episodes mentioned:
"Mirror, Mirror", "Day of the Dove"... BAD??
Have you ever WATCHED Star Trek? Like the REAL Star Trek neither A, B, C, or D?
"Dagger of the Mind" and "Whom Gods Destroy" are favorites of a good number of fans. "Patterns of Force" admittedly is a divisive episode - some hate it, some love it. Not one of my favorites, but I wouldn't call it "Bad". "The Cloud Minders" has good points, not a top fave, but I like it enough to rewatch it when it is on.

"Spocks Brain" "And the Children Shall Bleed" - THOSE, yes, my least favorites, I can understand being called "Bad" - but even "Plato's Stepchildren" and  "Way to Eden" have their staunch defenders on this Board (I have an issue with "Eden" but to each their own. "The Empath" came at a time of almost no budget whatsoever, and has to it's credit FOUR remarkable acting jobs. What Kathryn Hayes did without speaking in the role of "Gem" is incredibly difficult - speaking as a professional actor, that type of role is considered extremely challenging. I would never call "The Empath" bad...

I do note that few of the episodes mentioned in this thread are "action" episodes and are actually (whether I like the episode or not) more focused on story, plot, pacing, character, message than "BOOM!" "CRASH!" "ALIEN SHIP DESTROYED!" I believe that those seeking more of that can find it in any one of the OTHER sci-fi shows out there, the ones that generally can't manage to last 45 episodes rather than 45 years.
I believe the episode is "And The Children Shall Lead," not "And The Children Shall Bleed."


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Report this Jan. 10 2011, 6:52 pm

Quote: RedShirtGuyNumber1001 @ Feb. 18 2010, 6:06 pm

I doubt The Empath was banned, it was kind of a crappy episode anyway, and it isn;t like the torture scene really showed anything.


The Empath was banned for many years. It's strange though, as it is very similar to an Outer Limits episode that wasn't banned.

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Report this Feb. 23 2011, 1:58 am

There were 4 eps banned in the UK - `Miri', `Plato's Stepchildren' `The Empath' and `Whom Gods Destroy'. It started in 1970 when `Miri' was shown for the first time on BBC television. It caused a furore, which led to the episode being banned, and the BBC examined all future episodes and decided that the other 3 would provoke a similar response, and they were banned, with no screening at all until the 90s. When Star Trek was repeated in Britain (which was basically every year, bar 1977 and 1983, from 1969-1986), the banned eps were always mentioned in newspaper articles, and there were some hilarious blunders - for instance, according to one newspaper article, `Whom Gods Destry' featured a scene where one of Spock's ears is blown off!:-))

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Report this Feb. 23 2011, 5:57 am

Patterns of force were banned in Germany because of the fact, that Star trek TOS was dubbed as a comedy for children. And this episode wouldnt fit to the frame because of all the nazi symbols and swastikas and the quite BDSM scene (This part is the reason I dont like this episode).


In the first ( I dont know if there are newer ones) German dubbing there are some lines or even full stories transformed to be suitable for children- for example, in Amok Time Spock did not experience pon farr, but had a Space fever or something like it. And the Fight scene is only Spock's dream.


Or some lines were added, like in Journey to Babel:


McCoy: Well, what do you know? I finally got the last word!


Spock: Next to last! 


 


 

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Report this Feb. 23 2011, 6:09 am

I'm reading this thread and it occurs to me Spock is the ultimate wing man.


You could meet anyone chat them up and the next day Spock removes the memory.


She is wondering why you did not call


You are free to meet another

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Report this Feb. 24 2011, 3:59 pm

It was Plato's Stepchildren that was not shown in the UK.


I do remember seeing the 3 others (mentioned above by Spouter) at some point; particularly Miri.


I'm not entirely sure why that was with P S. Generally the censors over here are a lot more relaxed than in the USA. There may have been some particular aspect about it that was deemed inappropriate - or it might just have been because it was considered to be a poor offering from that series.


I find it hard to believe it was because of that kiss. More likely it was considered bad taste to see Shatner and Nimoy in Greek chitons!


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Report this Feb. 24 2011, 11:58 pm

I knew The Empath was banned, didn't realise the others were. Used to like Miri.  Watching Whom Gods Destroy at the moment.   I think when the videos were released in the 80's it was mentioned that some episodes hadn't been shown on tv.

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