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So was all of DS9 just the imagination

Commander_Zelkar

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Report this Feb. 08 2010, 11:58 am

Discuss.

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Report this Feb. 08 2010, 12:02 pm

No, it got a little into the "occult" though? It got weird toward the end and "Sisko deserves to come back in future ST storylines..

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Report this Feb. 08 2010, 12:08 pm

It's deliberately ambiguous.  You can believe what you want as the viewer, but as Herb said in Far Beyond the Stars, it would gut the story if it was just his imagination.

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Report this Feb. 08 2010, 3:25 pm

Quote (TheChronicOne @ Feb. 08 2010, 3:11 pm)
According to some people, if even a tiny miniscule amount of DS9 was featured in a holoprogram, the entire thing is fake, so yes, it's a possibility.

Huh? That doesn't even make any sense...

And what does it have to do with "Far Beyond the Stars?" (As insinuated by Zelkar?)

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Report this Feb. 08 2010, 3:47 pm

Quote (TheChronicOne @ Feb. 08 2010, 6:37 pm)
You need to learn how to pay attention.

Actually, this is kinda what I was talking about in reference to you, Chronic.

So would you care to explain what the heck you're talking about?

I mean, why would DS9 be a holoprogram? Why would even a miniscule amount of DS9 be a holoprogram? And again, what does that have to do with anything related to Benny Russell? (Whom this thread is clearly about?)

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Report this Feb. 08 2010, 4:05 pm

Quote (TheDriver @ Feb. 08 2010, 3:47 pm)
Quote (TheChronicOne @ Feb. 08 2010, 6:37 pm)
You need to learn how to pay attention.

Actually, this is kinda what I was talking about in reference to you, Chronic.

So would you care to explain what the heck you're talking about?

I mean, why would DS9 be a holoprogram? Why would even a miniscule amount of DS9 be a holoprogram? And again, what does that have to do with anything related to Benny Russell? (Whom this thread is clearly about?)

Hes making commentary on those that believe the series "ENTERPRISE" is a hologram because 1 episode was shown to be a holo program.

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Report this Feb. 08 2010, 4:10 pm

Quote (TheChronicOne @ Feb. 08 2010, 3:59 pm)
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(Whom this thread is clearly about?)
Wow, I guess you DON'T know how to read properly. Neither the topic title OR original post mention this Benny guy (which is why I haven't even mentioned whoever it is), and for that matter, none of the other posts do, either, but it DOES mention DS9 possibly being all imaginary (which is why I mentioned just that).



Are you ok??

This entire topic is about Benny Russell.

The DS9 episode "Far Beyond the stars" featured a plot that hinted at the possibility that DS9 was a sci-fi story written by a black novelist named Benny Russell.

In the story they give you the idea that the series may be in the imagination of a black man in the 30's/40's [if I'm right about the years]

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Report this Feb. 08 2010, 4:20 pm

Quote (TheChronicOne @ Feb. 08 2010, 4:10 pm)
Quote (stovokor2000 @ Feb. 08 2010, 3:05 pm)
Quote (TheDriver @ Feb. 08 2010, 3:47 pm)
Quote (TheChronicOne @ Feb. 08 2010, 6:37 pm)
You need to learn how to pay attention.

Actually, this is kinda what I was talking about in reference to you, Chronic.

So would you care to explain what the heck you're talking about?

I mean, why would DS9 be a holoprogram? Why would even a miniscule amount of DS9 be a holoprogram? And again, what does that have to do with anything related to Benny Russell? (Whom this thread is clearly about?)

Hes making commentary on those that believe the series "ENTERPRISE" is a hologram because 1 episode was shown to be a holo program.

Yup. Thanks bud... at least you seem to be able to grasp English.

And whadda ya know... the topic ASKS If DS9 was all imaginary, so referencing an argument that makes claim of another Star Trek series being all imaginary makes complete sense.. yet Driver can't seem to comprehend this.

He mentions some dude named Benny and says the thread is obviousley about him even though he isn't mentioned ... even once... .... Yet, the thing I am talking about is mentioned specifically in the topic title.

Your welcome.

But like I said.This entire topic is about Benny Russell.

Here's info on the episode in question.
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Far_Beyond_the_Stars_(episode)

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Report this Feb. 08 2010, 4:36 pm

Quote (TheChronicOne @ Feb. 08 2010, 4:16 pm)
The topic title asks if DS9 is all imaginary.

Then the person who started it simply said "Discuss"

What did I do? Discuss the possibility of it all being imaginary.

Furthermore, no mention of Benny anyone was mentioned until Driver mentioned it.

No sorry buddy but thats not correct.

Theres a sub-title to this topic ....here it is incase you missed it.

So was all of DS9 just the imagination, of a crazy mental patient?

The question was asked, obviously, due to the message given in the episode "Far beyond the stars".

Think about it.

If I started a topic called......

"was all of Enterprise a hologram whatched by a commander??" you would know I was asking the question because of the Enterprise episode "These are the voyages" showing that story to be a hologram being watched by Riker.

I would not need to mention Riker by name for you to know who I wsas talking about.

So when the OP asked "was all of DS9 just the imagination, of a crazy mental patient?" we all knew he was talking about the DS9 episodes "Far Beyond the stars" and "Shadows and Symbols" which indicated that the series may be in the imagination of a writer turned mental patient named Benny Russell.


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So, what are we doing now? Attacking people for answering questions exactly as they are posed?? What next? A thread about cars that asks "Hey, do you drive a car?" and someone shows up and says, "I drive a car everyday" and we tell them they are wrong and say, "This is obviously about doorknobs..not driving cars"??


Now, I'm not saying it ISN'T about Benny, but why am I being "attacked" for replying .. ON TOPIC... to CZs question?? It's a thread about the possibility of DS9 being imaginary, so, like I said, I offered up an anecdote about the same exact argument being made about another Star Trek show.

How does this warrant Driver saying the things he said?


I cant speak for Driver or anyone else.

But it seems to me that your both being overly argumentative.

It seems very obvious that this topic is about Benny Russell from the start to me.

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Report this Feb. 08 2010, 4:39 pm

Quote (TheChronicOne @ Feb. 08 2010, 4:25 pm)
OK, but why does that make it OK for someone to be rude to me for offering up my contribution to the thread.... a contribution completely within the bounds of what the topic title was asking about??

And the ENTIRE topic isn't about Benny Russell or it would be called "Benny Russel". ¿:laugh:

It's about Star Trek. It's about the possibility of things being all imagined by one person. It's about Benny. It's about DS9.... it is not entirely about Benny Russel. ¿;)

Again I cant speak for others.

But the topic is about Benny Russell.

Its about wether the DS9 series was in the imagination of a mental patient.

Benny is that mental patient.

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Report this Feb. 08 2010, 5:14 pm

Quote (TheChronicOne @ Feb. 08 2010, 5:02 pm)
I know. But I'm sure you would agree that a person talking about a Star Trek series being imaginary in a topic about a Star Trek series being imaginary makes perfect sense, yet we have a person claiming that it doesn't.

Which really didnt seem rude to me.

It just seemed that he didnt make the connection between this issue and trhe TATV hologram debate.


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Which is why an anecdote about another Star Trek series being in the imagination of someone is completely relevant.


Its relevent....as it relates to the topic.

But like I said above, I dont think Driver made the connection.

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He might not be the only mental patient around here...


That may be true.

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Report this Feb. 08 2010, 5:14 pm

It is about Benny, sorry for not stating that.

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Report this Feb. 08 2010, 5:21 pm

If the entirety of DS9 was all in the mind of Benny Russell, then that is equally true of Voyager, TNG and TOS because of all the crossovers.

Sisko/Russell is the dreamer and the dream.

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Report this Feb. 08 2010, 5:30 pm

Quote (TheFounder @ Feb. 07 2010, 6:21 pm)
If the entirety of DS9 was all in the mind of Benny Russell, then that is equally true of Voyager, TNG and TOS because of all the crossovers.

Good point. What's funny is that DS9 in actuality is a story made by real writer's imaginations, so the actual answer is that DS9 may have been imagined by a fictional character created by a 20th Century human. :cool: So what do I win?

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Report this Feb. 08 2010, 5:35 pm

Quote (TheChronicOne @ Feb. 08 2010, 5:21 pm)
BUT...It isn't exclusively about Benny Russell. It's ALSO about the possibility of the series all being imagined.

Dude I'm sorry if this sound rude but ....read the SUB-TITLE of the thread.

Here it is again.

So was all of DS9 just the imagination, of a crazy mental patient?

Yes it  is exclusively about Benny Russell.

You can bring up any relevent or relate able points that you like but you can not deny that when the question was asked it was nameing Benny Russel because he is the mental patient in question.

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Are you trying to tell me that we can't discuss the possibility of DS9 all being in someone's imagination because this is ONLY about Benny Russell?


No, you, and we, can talk about anything we like.

But you cant deny that the topic started out asking if the series was in the imagination of 1 specific person.

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